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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 03:57 AM
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Rachel Maddow- Filthy rich buy fake popular support
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 03:57 AM by Sky Masterson
 
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I don't care to much for money, Money can't buy me love" Lennon/MCcartney
Or can it?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:03 AM
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1. In my view, love can not be bought.
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:20 AM
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2. But love can be rented.
:)
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:23 AM
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3. Not in my view.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 04:28 AM by RandomThoughts
Some may think differently on that.




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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:25 AM
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4. I never said it was real love.
.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:32 AM
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5. Is there any other kind?

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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:38 AM
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6. It's all perception
You can love someone who loves you back.
You can love someone who doesn't love you back.
Someone can love you that you don't love.
You can love your money/car/home/pets/family/property.
You can love a friend.
And sadly enough you can pay for the illusion of it.

(This almost feels like a relationship argument. :P I'm sorry I boinked the babysitter) :silly: :hide:
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:02 AM
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9. Loving something or someone is not a perception.
Thinking something or someone should be loved or not, is a choice by perception, once you feel love, it is just love.



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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:09 AM
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10. But love can also be confused with butterflies
and levels of love grow and shrink.
I think Love is a living thing until it dies.
That is why divorce exist. :)



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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:26 AM
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12. There are different feelings.
Butterflys that is more about suspense or excitement.


It is a long topic though, maybe different for different people, that could be possible also.

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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:29 AM
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13. I agree 100%
:)
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Big_Harry Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:41 AM
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7. Filthy rich
Hi i from scotland and we all watching you from over the water and thank god you are 3000 miles away
has the working man lose the will to fight for his country big business in a america runs right over the top of the working man stand up and fight
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:51 AM
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8. People here just don't pay that much attention.
They get wrapped up in silly television reality shows and their own personal daily lives.
I think the average American has so much on their minds these days that when they get home and
unwind and relax the last thing they care to think about is politics and two rich guys they never heard of.
Welcome to DU
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:19 AM
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:32 AM
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14. Shrug.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 05:33 AM by RandomThoughts
I been fighting for almost a decade, shrug, doubt that will change. Although some situations have gotten better, there are some important changes needed


And I still don't have money for beer and travel.

:shrug:

Although by fighting, I mean doing nothing, only thing I can think to do really. Other people might do other things in how they fight.

Although I like listening to music.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:08 PM
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19. Do you realize
how rude you sound?

I appreciate your support of the "working man" -- We support them too -- But who "introduces" themselves to a foreign board by telling them how "glad" they are that they are far away from them?

I imagine you've heard of the word "courtesy" right?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:16 AM
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15. Thank you for pointing
out this subterfuge.

This effort to deceive the electorate and promote misinformation is unmatched in political history. I don't mean the Koch brothers exclusively, I mean the entire Reich Wing misinformation noise machine, it is a fucking massive operation.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:18 AM
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16. great reporting on Rachel's show - tip of the iceberg I'm sure .nt
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:10 AM
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17. Bloomberg revived the old 'rent-a-crowd' tradition.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 09:18 AM by Smarmie Doofus

Even the other gazillionaires owe our little -big man a debt of gratitude for showing them the way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/nyregion/17nyc.html


NYC
What’s the Matter at City Hall: Democracy, the Voice of the People and All That


By CLYDE HABERMAN
Published: October 16, 2008
Let’s begin with a civics quiz.

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Of the following political figures, whose actions have shown a true belief in the concept that the people, not the politicians, should decide an issue as fundamental as term limits for government leaders? Is it (a) Michael R. Bloomberg, New York’s mayor, (b) Christine C. Quinn, New York’s City Council speaker, or (c) Hugo Chávez, Venezuela’s president?

Stumped? Here are some hints, starting with the mayor and the Council speaker.

They struck a deal to undermine the results of two referendums in the 1990s in which New York City voters said by large margins that important officeholders — including the mayor and all 51 Council members — should be limited to two consecutive terms. Mr. Bloomberg and Ms. Quinn used to speak about those two plebiscites as virtually amounting to sacraments. Not anymore.

This week, Ms. Quinn made it clear that she would be Mr. Bloomberg’s chief enabler in the Council to push through a voter-dodging bill that would stretch the limit to three terms. The bill goes by the nondescript title of Proposed Intro No. 845-A. You may reasonably think of it as the Incumbency Protection Act of 2008.

On Thursday, a hearing was held in the main Council chamber. As a sign of how critical this issue is, more than half of the Council’s members showed up — an unusually high turnout.

The room was packed with spectators. Dozens of seats were filled with people carrying green signs bearing slogans like “Democrats for Choices: Extend Term Limits.” They were on the mayor’s side. (Essentially, he and his minions assert that by taking away the people’s right to decide the future of term limits, they are actually increasing the voters’ ballot options in next year’s municipal elections. In other words, less choice means more choice. Orwell, anyone?)

The sign holders resisted efforts to find out who they were and why they had gone to City Hall. Everything about them screamed rent-a-crowd.

The hearing stretched into the night. It is scheduled to resume on Friday morning. And that will be that for the public’s say in the matter.

Typically on so highly sensitive an issue, with nothing less than the democratic process on the line, many hearings are held, often with at least one in every borough. But this is a rush job. The full Council may vote on the matter next week. The bill is moving like an express train. It might as well be called the Bloomberg Unlimited.

Both the mayor and the speaker bristle at suggestions that theirs is “a backroom deal.” They may be right. Who knows what room the deal was made in? But they definitely have, shall we say, an understanding.

In lavishly praising Ms. Quinn, Mr. Bloomberg used some intriguing language on Monday. Were she not in government, he said, she “would have enormous opportunities in the private sector as well as the public sector.” Until the billionaire businessman-turned-politician uttered those words, no one had talked about Ms. Quinn in any kind of role beyond government service.

Then on Wednesday, having rejected holding a third voter referendum on New York’s electoral process, Mr. Bloomberg flew to Los Angeles to support a referendum that would change how Californians elect their public officials. He was not amused when someone pointed out the contrast. Chalk it off to a sudden bout of irony deficiency anemia.

Ms. Quinn had her own interesting take on the end-run around New York voters. At a news conference this week, she described Proposed Intro No. 845-A as “the essence of democracy.” When asked how New Yorkers could be assured that they won’t witness a similar attempt to cling to power four years from now, Ms. Quinn replied, “I don’t believe this is something that we’ll see happening on a regular basis.”

Let’s see. After the 2001 terrorist attacks, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani used that crisis to try to keep himself in office beyond the expiration date set by term limits. The ploy didn’t work. Now Mr. Bloomberg and Ms. Quinn are using this economic crisis to extend their stay in office.

How many times must New Yorkers see this movie before it qualifies as “happening on a regular basis”?

Oh, yes, we haven’t forgotten the civics quiz. Here’s another hint: Ten months ago, Mr. Chávez of Venezuela held a referendum on his attempt to increase his considerable power by, among other things, ending term limits. He lost.

In the last few days, a few critics of Mr. Bloomberg and Ms. Quinn have cited Venezuela’s experience. Generally speaking, any day when New York’s leaders are compared unfavorably with Hugo Chávez is probably not a good day.

E-mail: haberman@nytimes.com

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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:03 AM
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18. I'll have to disagree with Rachel, it's fun to watch the Koch bros. to continue their dumbass parade
Stop telling them to impreove Rachel! It's fun to watch them fail miserably and fail hard.
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