Obama Vs. Reagan: Who's More Conservative? (Cenk Hosting MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Show)

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 10:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILg1-H6oNuM   Posted on YouTube: July 06, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 19008   Posted on DU: July 07, 2010 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 2884

 
Watch Cenk host the Dylan Ratigan show LIVE Wednesday July 7th at 4pm Eastern, 1pm Pacific.

Summary: Host of The Young Turks Cenk Uygur (filling in for Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC) compares Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan on some conservative policies and positions. Cenk is joined by former Reagan political director Frank Donatelli and former Washington Post reporter and MSNBC contributor David Weigel.


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[theFrankFactor]

1. I Would Really Like to See Democrats Explore Liberal and Progressive Policy...

I think it would be just wonderful! But then, I'd like thousand dollar bills to fly out my asshole.

[sasquuatch55]

17. Just call yourself The Federal Reserve.

nt

[20score]

2. Frank Donatelli and David Weigal were obviously wrong and approached their arguments like

flat-earthers. Facts did not deter them from their predetermined positions. Cenk was correct about the country's political shift to the right, the fact the country is actually center left, that Obama is much more conservative than the media will admit, and that Reagan looks a little left-wing when viewed by today's standards.

But you have to look at more than just those few issues to determine where a person stands on the left/right divide. Cenk is correct in all that he said, and about the main point he was making. But if you took in more stances of both, Obama would probably be to the left of Reagan. But if you compared the policies of Nixon to Obama's, Obama would be to the right of Nixon.

[ihavenobias]

4. Here's a good criticism of the segment someone posted at youngturks.com

"...Just having the segment was startling for an MSM segment. I don't think there is a single shill in Washington who believes anything other than that Obama is on the far Left and that Reagan is today's archetypical Conservative, and neither are anywhere close to true; they are just about equal in their agendas, even if the ideologies in their speeches are very different.

But Cenk pointed out 4 blips on the screen rather than presenting a real narrative. And he used about 2 minutes with his guessing game about the two presidents when he could have summed up each's relative accomplishments in about 20 seconds and then tied the narrative together with the rarely-heard discussions about how Obama hasn't gotten (or fought for) a public option, an end to Gitmo, and end to the Patriot Act, an end to Too Big to Fail or naked CDS's, a de-escalation of the wars, gun control, gay rights, EFCA, a new green infrastructure, the maintenance of rights for terror suspects, or any meaningful regulations on energy companies. (Or about how Reagan's legacy is further to the Left than even a RINO of today like Susan Collins)...

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2010/7/6/173614/9007/Diary/TYT-Represent-

[florida08]

3. outstanding!

Cenk confused the hello out of both of them.. Pundits always stick with the playbook. Facts just get in the way. Reagan won the cold war hahahahahaha..yes all he had to say was "Gorbachev tear down that wall". Reagan wanted to have small government..really? Reagan wanted no government for the fat cats. He was for the right to work. Yeah that worked out well.

Obama is a liberal? Yeah..if a liberal is now a moderate republican. The country is center/right? No the GOP was center right but now is just crazy right. Corporations/banks/Wall Street are center/right. The public is left/center.

Thanks for posting. Will Watch today.

[Gamey]

5. "I'm glad the MSNBC interns had something to do...

...the past couple of weeks," says douchebag Donatelli. WTF? Hard work is okay only if fits your political views or isn't done by MSNBC interns?

[ihavenobias]

21. Yeah, that was an unnecessary jab. n/t

[izquierdista]

6. Conservatives keep stepping on the rake

Trying to repeat their standard talking point and BAM! right in the face. So predictably stupid, I'm wondering where I can bet against them.

[Capitalocracy]

7. That was fun

K&R... who's more conservative indeed? I wish we all could look at Obama more objectively, rather than through the "thank god it's not Bush" prism. I mean, yeah, I'd be glad he's not Bush too, but I'm not convinced it's true.

[KansDem]

8. FUCK YOU, Donatelli!!!

The "cold war" was won NOT BY REAGAN but by countless individuals, like my dad who served on a US Naval vessel off the coast of Korea the same year your fucking Reagan was making "Bedtime for Bonzo!"

GO FRANK YOURSELF, FUCK!!!

[Enthusiast]

10. +1000, KansDem! nt

[FarLeftFist]

9. What should always be pointed out is the fact that:

Under the 40 years of "Liberal" rule 1930-1970, (quotations b/c some were republicans but essentially Liberal, at least by todays standard) the country was the most prosperous, sought after nation in the world....Until Reagan, then it seemed to start its downward spiral.

[Enthusiast]

11. Absolutely! Right on! nt

[IOKIYAL]

12. Yawn! An entire show to speak to the 5% of Dems who think

Obama is a conservative. Yeah, I'm sure viewers watching that show thought Cenk was an idiot for calling Obama a conservative.

[FarLeftFist]

13. well lets see:

A Liberal would not have continued the war, bailed out wall street, OR dropped the public option, etc etc. Obama is a moderate republican, at least policy wise.

[mmonk]

14. Well then, show us how he is a liberal or progressive.

I'm genuinely having trouble seeing it.

[FarLeftFist]

15. we all are.

[ooglymoogly]

32. See, that is the very point and is the crux, the worshipers can't answer to. nt

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[slay]

29. Seeing as how you didn't respond to anyone else who replied to you

it's not like Cenk didn't back it up. Why do you think he's not conservative? He's way more conservative than any Dem I know. I think you're the only one calling Cenk an idiot.

[ooglymoogly]

34. The first resort of an idiot is calling someone else

an idiot...its the pug way.

[ooglymoogly]

31. Tell us again what plannet you live on. nt

[DWinNJ]

16. Old republicans never truly die, they just lie in the grave

Frank Donatelli’s open lines show just how trying to reason with republican heads is so futile.

First he is derisive of the Cenk’s comparison of Regan v Obama. While it may not have been a hard hitting, broad analysis, it was introducing a subject in an entertaining way. Since it was in opposition of his dogma he had to attack it.

Second the examples were simple factual items and Donatelli tried to (lie) assert his right to present his own facts. A more legitimate tact would be to have claimed they were an out of context distortion of the larger story.

Donatelli had his talking points and he was going to stick to them.

[Rhiannon12866]

18. K&R! Saw this and it was terrific!

Cenk was great on the show, confident and well spoken, doing what he does best! Here's hoping that he does much more of this. He's a perfect fit for MSNBC... :toast:

[liberation]

19. Ironically, wasn't Reagan one of Obama's fave presidents?

It was so awesome hear a supposedly "Dem" presidential candidate praise the patron saints of reactionaries everywhere in this great nation of ours. It is truly mind-blowing how much to the right the politics in this country have been coerced.

It seems that after FDR the right in this country went off the deep end and declared hunting season on the left both literally and figuratively. I shudder to consider that they may have won/prevailed after all. Because all indications tend to point towards that fairly disconcerting fact.

[suzie]

24. Ah, the ghost of FDR arises once more as way to trash Democrats.

You really should be ashamed, both of your inaccurate twisting of what Obama said and invoking FDR for your twisted purpose.

[ooglymoogly]

35. Ironically, actions speak louder than words. nt

[pleah]

20. K&R

I forgot to congratulate Cenk! :D

[Vegetarianist]

23. The clips of the show are getting a good amount of views

I wish MSNBC would make a YT account and post at least a couple clips a day. Fox and (kind of) CNN have beaten them there. Social networking is the media of tomorrow and is good publicity for their TV shows.

[impik]

25. This guy is even more ridiculous than i thought. This is the pride of self-proclaimed progressives?

Pathetic.

[slay]

28. Would you care to say why?

In what ways is he ridiculous? How is he pathetic? I thought both shows were very good - Obama is a conservative in many ways.

[Greenheron]

26. "Yawn! An entire show to speak to the 5% of Dems who think Obama is a conservative"

Wow! I'm a 5 percenter. Awesome! Who's with me?

[slay]

30. The previous poster who said that is just making shit up

but i'm with ya - Obama's wayyyyyyy too conservative.

[ooglymoogly]

27. Rare glimpse at who Weigel really is; Just another beltway kind of guy

The cold war was "won" because USSR went bankrupt trying to subdue Afghanistan....the bottomless black hole into hell that has been swallowing countries treasuries whole for centuries; That we in an ignorant epiphany of "wisdom", are now trying to subdue with the same deleterious effect; Where untold trillions will be sucked from our treasury into the war conglomerate. It was Cenk against beltway "wisdom" (spelled agenda for stealing the most money, which, by its nature runs red)....Cenk won with a knockout. The wild card where Afghanistan is concerned, is; You can bet Monsanto et al have already planted a flag on the mountains of minerals and are already dividing up the pie, which could ultimately change the equation. The war conglomerate has been known to send unlimited cannon fodder, our innocent youth, for other folks gold and treasure, in whatever form.

[libodem]

33. Awesome

Way to frame the debate, Cenk!