TYT: American Citizen Executed In Israeli Flotilla Raid?

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 06:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiCGD793na8   Posted on YouTube: June 04, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 23540   Posted on DU: June 05, 2010 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 1766

 
Summary: Cenk makes the case that an American citizen was executed during the Flotilla raid. You can http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israeli-defense-forces-ex_b_600282.html|read more here>.

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[OhioChick]

1. K&R n/t

[sasquuatch55]

7. DU Isreali sympathizers!

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[sasquuatch55]

8. Ban me ; close my account!

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[Douglas Carpenter]

2. kick and recommend!! VERY IMPORTANT!!!

[WillyT]

3. K & R !!!

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[xocet]

4. k & r n/t

[spiritual_gunfighter]

5. The Obama administration willingness to ignore

the fact that one of our citizens was killed by Israel, speaks volumes.

[sabrina 1]

6. The U.S. doesn't care about its citizens

getting killed by Israel. If he was killed by say, a Pakistani in the exact same way, under the exact same circumstances, we would be ready to go to war.

Israel is about to award the guy who shot this American with a medal of honor, from what I just read. Joe Biden will probably attend the ceremony.

Being an American citizen doesn't seem to carry the same weight as being an Irish or Turkish, or Swedish or just about any other kind of citizen (all of whose countries expressed outrage at the treatment of their citizens and others).

[20score]

9. K&R

[Aslanspal]

10. 4 bullets to the head? and one to the chest?

murder plain and simple and to an American citizen, Israel is off the map ..off the world map.

[ejbr]

11. k & r n/t

[Devil_Fish]

12. I'll bet that Israel could kill 3K Americans by flying planes into buildings and we would go to war

with Canada.

[sasquuatch55]

13. OH..Anti semetic by DU standards!

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[Capitalocracy]

14. Sounds like an execution to me

But execution or excessive force, it's still an act of violence performed during an illegal raid on international waters.

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[theFrankFactor]

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[vaberella]

16. Now we have zombies?! Lord almighty. This raid is out of control. n/t

[tekisui]

17. But Vice-President Biden said it's no big deal.

:mad:

[abubalboola]

18. with all the pain and grief... the justified emotional turmoils vs the wrong interpretation

sorry, I see here in the video and the posts two things:
1. an emotional turmoil, with which I can sympathize
2. interpretation, with which I can not agree

the emotional turmoil - death is death is death and no matter what. no man has the right to take life.

the interpretation.. leaves out the fact that if someone was shot (whether wounded or died) there was a motive. the guy was not there having a smoke on the upper deck. he was part of the deadly violent group (which was so much in contrast to most peace activists).
why was no body shot in the other 5 boats?
why was no body shot in the Rachel Corries?
the difference here begs the question...

the (valid) question "why 5 bullets" should be accompanied by another (valid) question "why did he get shot \ was he part of the violent passengers".

[hulka38]

19. Well what's your answer?

1 bullet to the chest and then 4 bullets to the head. An American citizen was executed by an Israeli commando who's being commended by Israel. Do you agree or disagree with that?

[abubalboola]

21. this is my answer...

I think that once you got into the count of how many bullets were found in his body, you already went astray from the point of view which lets you ask the really important questions.

first, I will answer all questions:
1. why was no body shot in the other 5 boats? because on those boats were peace activists protesting in a way which regardless if Israel agrees with them or not, they accept them as legitimate criticism. there was no violent mob on this boat.
2. why was no body shot in the Rachel Corries? same as above. there was no deadly violent mob on the Rachel Corrie.
3. the (valid) question "why 5 bullets?" I can come up with several scenarios but please do not make any assumption I am really suggesting this is what happens. I am only saying that there are other scenarios which are at the other side of "being executed". (all scenarios of course conclude with "he got shot by commandos")
4. "why did he get shot \ was he part of the violent passengers? he was not passing there just by coincidence. he was most likely one of the deadly violent passengers.

to conclude:
was he executed? no. the term "execution" implies the soldiers had a different motivation e.g., go on board and shoot innocent activists. I do not agree with that.
was he shot by israeli commandos? yes.
was there a deadly violent mob? yes.
should Israel have allowed the ship to pass? I think so too. only so that this would not have happened.

and the latter point is the failure of israel. they should have let the boat pass. (or atleast have better intelligence on who is on board)

please let me know your thoughts...

[olegramps]

20. Do you have something wrong with providing Palestinians with humanitarian aid?

This relief flotilla held out it arms with bread for the hungry and the young man was made and example of by being rewarded with a bullet to the chest and four more to the head. How dare that these horrible people attempt to feed the very people Israelis were "putting on a diet." Israel has played the Holocaust Card of the persecuted once too often and as a consequence they have lost the sympathy of majority of their former friends throughout the world by their brazen inhumane treatment of the Palestinians. The have become a rogue state that continues to build on captured territory against numerous sanctions by the United Nations that they thumb their noses at in contempt while using the umbrella of security provided by the United States.

[abubalboola]

22. no, I don't have anything against humanitarian aid.

you seem to make assumptions on my overall view on the situation, just because I do not agree he was "executed" and because I think that there was a violent mob.

so, to make you understand my view better, here's a few points:
1. I think the idea of giving aid was good
2. I think the Palestinians deserve their country
3. I think there is a fundamental difference between Fatah and Hamas, between Gaza and the occupied territories.
4. I think Israel is doing many things wrong and should compromise with the demands of the Fatah and Mr Machmud Abbas
etc etc...
but.... I also think that this guy was part of a deadly violent mob.

Please do not put words in my mouth.
Please do not make assumptions that someone is completely against your point of view just because he does not agree with one thing you said.
we could agree on many things on the overall view, even if I think that the responsibility on the killing is mutual; and accountable by the deadly violent activists also.

the young guy was probably not the same as the (truely peaceful) peace activists.

[olegramps]

24. No one put any words in you mouth, you were asked a question.

How many Israeli soldiers were killed since you say the the "responsibility on the killing is mutual; and accountable by the deadly violent activists also."

You make assumptions without any proof when you say, "the young guy was probably not the same as the (truly peaceful) peace activists." Yeah, he was a terrorist who was unarmed and shot a total of five times. If you are going to play the role of a apologist try a different tactic to justify the over reaction of the Israelis and paint the humanitarians as terrorists. How about that they asked to board the ship to inspect and determine that they are not carrying weapons rather than a armed commando raid in the night.

If you support the Israel cause, then this is perhaps the stupidest thing that they could have done. Hamas could not have done anything comparable to enhance its position than what the Israelis have done. They have turned world opinion against themselves.

[abubalboola]

25. no and yes

NO: I didn't say he was terrorist. I said he was part of the violent mob. As such he took part in what is mutual responsibility for the killing. In this case, those who attacked the soldiers, even before they opened fire, are accountable to the killing just like israel.

And YES: I do agree with your last statement saying "Hamas could not have done anything comparable to enhance its position than what the Israelis have done"

[cascadiance]

23. Kudos Cenk for talking about something that personally hits you probably too!

I'm damn offended as well!

And let me say that I can identify a little with what some Israelis must have felt over the years.

When I lived in Turkey as a kid, back in 1971 there was a lot of what some might call "Turkish terrorist" activities targeting Americans like me over there. I remember the trauma my favorite grade school teacher in the DOD school I attended there went through for a week or so while four American airmen were kidnapped by terrorists there then (though they probably more aligned with Baader Meinhof inspired groups than Islamic groups then), and one of them was my teacher's boyfriend. I still feel her pain, and fortunately he and the other airmen escaped their captors then. We also went under martial law and others were attacked too that year, including an Israeli diplomat who was assassinated there then.

However, I can still separate the actions of a few terrorists from the vast majority of Turks that were really decent people, and to this day, I have many good Turkish friends, and value them a lot.

It sounds like some of these Israelis have a hard time separating those people who want to do what's right for their fellow human beings from those that are real terrorists. And they want to claim that anyone that criticizes the current government for the outlandish behavior they exhibit as being "anti-semitic". It seems like they are using more of that kind of mentality when dealing with others they disagree with in categorizing them all falsely as terrorists, and in this case taking complete undeserved actions towards them.

Cenk, I'd buy you a Buyuk Efes Pilsen if you come to town here in Portland... I wonder what congress would have said if it was you as a Turkish American that was killed like Furkan was over there. It would have been really chilling if they gave you the same treatment. It's chilling enough as is what they've shown Furkan.