Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship

[Ian David]

Run time: 01:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE   Posted on YouTube: May 31, 2010 By YouTube Member: idfnadesk Views on YouTube: 258243   Posted on DU: June 01, 2010 By DU Member: Ian David Views on DU: 1454

 

[nebenaube]

1. So...

Israel assaults the ship and then is surprised when people move to defend themselves?

[Ian David]

9. They were exercising their rights according to international law

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

[olegramps]

16. This is in reference to "Armed Conflicts at Sea" between waring nations.

[Exultant Democracy]

35. which side had a body count due to exterem violence again? Only one side is murderers in this

[niceypoo]

2. Never mind that the Israelis killed a whole bunch of people

...one inconvenient fact that keeps getting overlooked.

[RollWithIt]

5. I'm not defending either side... but that looked to be fairly coordinated

Almost like they'd trained to immediately attack anyone who tried to board the ship. They're literally throwing guys off the sides of the top deck. They operated in teams too.

[Ian David]

7. Neither side is blameless. But this was NOT a peaceful humanitarian mission. n/t

[lumpy]

31. The IDF was NOT on a peaceful humanitarian mission for sure.

If "this was NOT a peaceful humanitarian mission"( your words), what were the evil war plans by the humanitarians?

[teknomanzer]

33. You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor! Take her away!!

Sorry the geek came out...

Now for the progressive - FUCK ISRAEL'S APARTHEID STATE!

[NorthCarolina]

24. Pretty poorly coordinated if the only weaponry they had were deck chairs and

random objects.

[Ian David]

6. Because Ghandi, King and Mandella would have fought-back with knives and clubs, too. n/t

[MattBaggins]

8. If someone illegally attacks you and boards your ship

should you defend yourself?

[Ian David]

10. No. Not if you're on a "peaceful humanitarian mission."

This was coordinated and planned.

They made SURE there would be bloodshed, because this is what they WANTED.

Is this what Ghandi, King and Mandella would do?

[lumpy]

32. " This was coordinated and planned." Boy, that is the most

foolish, stupid, uncalled for, uneducated statement of the day. Get help!

[niceypoo]

34. So the victims planned and coordinated the whole thing with the Israeli army?

Seriously?

[activa8tr]

3. And the Israeli soldiers were right or wrong to board this ship in international

waters?

I see lots of propaganda value is titling this thread "Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship "

Demonstrators? Or people carrying humanitarian aid? Civilians? People?

I am getting really tired of apologists for Israel. How many non-Israeli civilians are dead today as a result of this?

Why hasn't the state of Israel allowed any single person from that ship to tell their story to the international press?

[Ian David]

4. Terrorists using well-intentioned humanitarians as human shields and martyrdom sacrifices. n/t

[activa8tr]

12. Oh my, you believe everything Israel says, so as to justify murder on the seas!

I noticed you failed to address any of my questions, too. How convenient!

[olegramps]

19. You are little more than an apologist for Israel without any credibility.

The articles that you cite are applicable to warring nations. When did the flotila declare war on Israel?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

20. When you defend

an invasion of a vessel by saying how dare the people on the ship defend themselves. You know you have drank the Kool-Ade.

[Douglas Carpenter]

30. please Ian, for God sakes, you usually sound somewhat moderate, now your just sounding like a nutty

crank.

There are somethings in this world that no amount of rationalization or wild excuse making can EVER justify, no tortured sophistry will ever be convincing. Storming ships in international waters and murdering activists and kidnapping hundreds of other activist who are now being forcibly held without any ability to communicate to the outside world, ships that are carrying aid to desperately impoverished people who are living in a place where Israel claims they withdrew from and no longer occupy - but still blockades - a place where every credible and legitimate humanitarian organization in the world, without one single exception, say are desperately suffering because of this internationally condemned and illegal blockade.

Please you are not helping the long term interest of the people of Israel or Jewish people around the world by this bizarrely and unreal nonsense - any more than those of us who support the Palestinian cause would be helping the Palestinians when they have at times engaged in self-destructive actions that served only the purpose of catharsis but undermined their own interest while harming others as well as themselves.

"Friends don't let friends drive drunk."

[RollWithIt]

11. I agree they shouldn't have boarded in international waters...

But I disagree that the activists on board were just "defending themselves." That was a coordinated team action to attack and overpower anyone attempting to board. You can't watch the teamwork of the activists, the beating the put on the soldiers (even throwing a few 20 feet to the deck below) and say they were just "defending."

They wanted bloodshed and they got it. That's partly Israel's fault for allowing it to be that way.

[Ian David]

13. Agreed. Neither side is blameless. n/t

[walldude]

14. But you'll do your best to make sure that Israel is seen

in the best light possible by posting as many videos as possible showing how those people armed with clubs and knives attacked those poor innocent soldiers who were just boarding their ship to make friends.

Please..

[Ian David]

15. Someone has to counter the anti-semites cheering for an excuse to wipe Israel off the map.

I'd rather see more balanced pieces from the middle, but so far all we've got are the opposite extremes.

[non sociopath skin]

17. Ian, when you're in a hole - stop digging

You need to leave the propaganda to the professionals. Your incompetent parroting of the Government Line is amateurish and transparent.

Stop it while you still have a grain of integrity.

The Skin

[spiritual_gunfighter]

21. I agree with skin

It is truly pathetic how amateur your propaganda campaign is.

[Lars77]

26. Bout time you played the anti-semite card.

I thought you lost it.

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[chrisa]

22. And how about the fact that...

The IDF was firing at the protesters before the ship was even boarded?

[activa8tr]

23. I guess some here want us to overlook those pesky facts. Just sayin...

and all those antisemites who wanted to bring aid to Gaza, not important some were murdered, I guess. :sarcasm:

[florida08]

25. yes ..have read the jpost about this

Both Egypt and Israel have enforced the blockade. Hard to believe a million people live in Gaza being only about 18 miles long.
Hamas has done many good things for the people of Gaza but it is unwilling to recognize the state of Israel. Until that changes
the Palestinians will have trouble. It's too late to undo what happened 60 years ago and futile. They have got to give the Palestinians a goal that doesn't encourage fighting and killing the Jews. That is not a life where people can raise a family.

The Israeli government has plenty of fault in this as well. So far I have not heard there were rockets or arms on the ships. Netanyahu should start promoting a Palestinian state for both Gaza and West Bank and withdraw the troops. Now they will endure condemnation for boarding the ships the way the did as ill prepared as they were. Now they're geering up for more bloodshed.
Serious diplomacy and discussion with Hamas should begin immediately.


Egypt lifts Gaza blockade following flotilla raid http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177146

Navy prepares for expected arrival of 2 more activist ships http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134

[Punched]

27. We need more propaganda!

Please Ian David,
Can you please keep posting your balanced views and pro violent videos.
I want to make sure that I don't miss a word that the government of Israel is giving to the media outlets world wide.

[Whisp]

28. he's trying to get this thread locked

by antagonizing. Works every time.

[deuce1]

29. Why did they let them get to

the end of their rope?