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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:07 PM
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TYT: Cenk laughs at Beck's self-comparison to Thomas Paine. A must see.
 
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:13 PM
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1. 2 links that go with the video
Beck's comparison is insane: http://tinyurl.com/dk37se

Historians slam Beck: http://tinyurl.com/yz8wlmo
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:18 PM
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2.  Beck "lives in a complete alternative universe."
LOL
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:39 PM
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7. Both of those links are terrific


But that doesn't mean he believes the historical arguments are meant to infer that the current Democratic regime could commit atrocities on the level of Hitler or Stalin. "If they're trying to make the case that Obama's going to lead to anything like the 65 million killed or the concentration camps, I'd be the first to condemn it," Goldberg said.



Says the man who worked directly with Beck, wrote a fatuous book called "Liberal Fascism" which does just what he claims he would condemn, and knows full well that what he describes is EXACTLY what Beck's mockumentary is implying, with neon and exclamation points. Fucking liar.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:51 PM
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18. Here's another terrific link
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sasquuatch55 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:43 PM
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12. Aren't left and right wings opposite in Europe to what they are in the US?
nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:16 AM
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29. No
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:18 PM
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14. The Politico article, next to last paragraph:
But that doesn't mean he believes the historical arguments are meant to infer that the current Democratic regime could commit atrocities on the level of Hitler or Stalin. "If they're trying to make the case that Obama's going to lead to anything like the 65 million killed or the concentration camps, I'd be the first to condemn it," Goldberg said.

If this guy Goldberg doesn't believe it then he has blinders on, because it's exactly what Beck's followers believe.

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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:48 PM
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17. It's worse than that - Goldberg has been trying to sell the whole
ridiculous trope of saying liberals = Nazis for the last couple of years. Beck is just a crazier version.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:29 AM
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30. That is why I don't like
the Politico article.

It is weak in condemnation of Beck. Beck's every program is an effort to reinforce these false notions that liberal equates, not only socialism, but communism and fascism. And he is successfully achieving his aim with his viewers. Just read the comments following the article to see what I mean.

It doesn't matter that Beck is a an outright liar as long as his followers believe him.

While we on the left should be pointing out the dangerous propaganda of the 'radical right' and their ideological brotherhood with the Nazis, Beck is successfully convincing millions of people that the left is destroying the country by forcing it into socialism. His assertions are absurd but they are gaining traction in popular culture.

Hey, U.S. citizens no longer understand the meaning of fascism, socialism or communism. It's a wonderfully rich environment for the propagandist, especially for one so willing to distort reality as Beck does.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:51 AM
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28. They don't slam him nearly enough
as far as I'm concerned. Did you read those comments? Those pathetic Beck viewers don't have a clue that they are being manipulated. In their world Czars = commies.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:24 PM
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3. But his simple-minded viewers have no idea how wrong Beck is.
No one that they listen to is going to correct him. They'll never hear the truth. All they know is that Paine was some kind of Founder so he must have been a God-Fearing(tm) conservative Christian. Just like they learned in Sunday School.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:25 PM
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4. Too funny! K&R
But it sad that there are people out there, voting people, that believe him.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:31 PM
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5. Yes
I can't get enough of the Young Turks.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:37 PM
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6. What show was this from? I must have missed it.
:shrug:
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:39 PM
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8. It just popped up today on YouTube, but looks like it was back-dated.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:53 PM
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9. Maybe Beck meant Thomas' Pain.
Paine suffered a lot of pain with the publication, "Rights of Man." Though I don't believe that Beck has read anything, let alone Paine's pamphlets.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:14 PM
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10. Beck also believes George Washington actually cut down a cherry tree.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:13 PM
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11. What a freak!
- K&R
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:44 PM
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13. K & R
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Prof Lester Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:37 PM
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15. What a degenerate knucklehead!
Yeah. We need a special word for stupid for Beckerhead and his disciples. Oh wait.. the 'baggers already invented one: morans.. they're morans! You gotcher idiots.. you gotcher cretins.. you gotcher dummies.. then you gotcher morans! Oh yeah.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:40 PM
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16. Hell, one of Beck's books was entitled "Common Sense"
Which astounded me, because Beck is all over this "founding fathers made us a Christian nation" crap, when Thomas Paine was pretty blatantly anti-religious, as demonstrated in his quotes below.

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

"There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood."

"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion."

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."

wait, here's the kicker:
"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.".
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:34 PM
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19. The Age of Reason
is particularly harsh. I can assure you Beck has never read it. Might be fun to call into his show to read excerpts on the air. lol
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:02 PM
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20. I think that is a great idea
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:46 PM
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21. Particularly that last little gem.
"The Christian religion is an outrage on Common Sense."

The first I recall hearing of Beck, his head was exploding with some sort of BS. He dramatically exhaled, saying he was "polluting" since he was giving off carbon dioxide. Then he went all into this spiel about how plants need carbon dioxide, blah blah blah. We need plants more than they need us, because they CLEANSE the air of the carbon dioxide. I would've liked to see him try to pull that crap in front of one the the Apollo 13 astronauts, who could have died from too much carbon dioxide in the cabin of their ship.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:02 AM
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23. just be ready
GET OFF MY PHONE! GET OFF MY PHONE! GET OFF MY PHONE!


GET OFF MY PHONE!


GET OFF MY PHONE!

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:36 AM
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31. Exactly. Both Beck
and Limbaugh react with extreme anger when confronted by a caller that uses truth or simple logic to refute their argument.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:13 PM
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22. Republican Beck says self promoting bullshit & the idiots Fox news watchers
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 11:15 PM by GreenTea
morons eat up every word, they can't think for themselves the incredibly gullible and lazy Fox news watching sheep....too fucking lazy to research the truth & facts for themselves....they'd rather just be fed bullshit by Fox & marshmallow-soft Beck, & Hannity & Limbaugh, etc......lazy fucks!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 05:09 AM
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24. K&R Definitely a must see
I hope this and the links Tom added go viral.

Thanks for posting.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 06:20 AM
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25. Beck, like so many other conservatives, love to re-write history.
They just make it up as they go along.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 06:59 AM
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26. Beck and company have far more in common with Hitler than liberal have.
Here are a few brief examples of Hilters relationship with God that I have retained from my reading in contrast to our nation's Founding Fathers:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. As a Christian I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. As a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." - Adolf Hitler - Munich, April 12, 1922

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?" - Adolph Hitler

"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125

"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any other philosophical opinions, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, there really exists but a single Holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man has turned to his own Heaven." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." - Adolf Hitler

Today Christians ... stand at the head of this country... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.
Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. ...
Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922



Contrast this to what our Founding Fathers had to say about religion:

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches James Madison. One can only ponder what he would have thought about today's Church tax exemption.

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." James Madison

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity- John Adams

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." John Adams

". . . Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." John Adams

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
- to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 Thomas Jefferson

"The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.
1. That there are three Gods.
2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, is nothing.
3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit the faith.
4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save."
- to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822 Thomas Jefferson

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." Thomas Jefferson

"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
-letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814 Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." Benjamin Franklin
"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it." Benjamin Franklin

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

"It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." Thomas Paine

THOMAS PAINE was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
From:
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)

GEORGE WASHINGTON, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washington uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.
From:
George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.
From:
Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Thomas Fleming, p. 404, (1972, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by BF to Exra Stiles March 9, 1970.

The Treaty of Tripoli, passed in 1797 reads in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
This document was written while Washington was president in 1796 and signed by President Adams in 1798.

What is a shame is the level of ignorance that exists in our nation that allows people like Beck to spew his nonsense without a murmer of protestation by the major media sources.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:40 AM
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32. I'm with you on this, olegramps.
Nice post!
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:09 AM
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34. To which I say, like Cenk, OF COOOUUUUURRRSSEE!
Agree with you totally.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:31 AM
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27. Beck can repeat this
nonsense only because of the education level of his viewers.

Even worse is Beck's assertion that because Obama has "Czars" his administration is somehow communist.

His logic for this appears to be that because 20th century Russia was communist as the Soviet Russia, and Russia also had "Czars", somehow they are just a slight variation on the same theme. I sometimes wonder if Glenn Beck even knows that Czarist Russia was a hereditary monarchy, not a communist nation. It was necessary for communist revolutionaries to defeat the forces of the Czar to make over Russian society into a communist one. I'm not certain Beck even understands this. His listeners(Teabaggers) certainly don't understand this.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 08:53 AM
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33. Beck is absolutely ridiculous
Paine was very progressive and wouldn't suffer a fascist fool like Beck. Besides, Beck couldn't tell the difference between a progressive and a fascist if they were wearing name tags. :eyes:
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:15 AM
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35. That's easy. The progressive is the one he wants everyone else
to be afraid of, gang up on, and kill. The fascist is the other guy.
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