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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:43 PM
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TYT: Cenk explains how Brown's win will probably Shock Doctrine the HCR bill
 
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Typical. Great analysis by Cenk. And we will get the "emergency" version of health care "reform"
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:07 PM
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1. We're getting NO health care bill, because Barney Frank says so
I got letters from both Mendendez (DSCC) and Van Hollen (DCCC)--both of them said the same thing: we must redouble efforts on the economy and jobs. No mention of health care whatsoever. Barney Frank wants to dump it.

What will the upshot be?

(1) After an entire year of nonstop debates, bargaining, voting, grandstanding ... voters of every stripe (Republicans, Independents, and Democrats) will come to one conclusion: the Democrats can't get anything done.

(2) Health care reform of any kind will be dead for the next 15-20 years. And that means no regulations on insurers, no expansion of Medicaid for the poor, no insurance for those who have been denied for pre-existing conditions, no subsidies for those who can't afford insurance.

I'm furious. This is exactly the WRONG lesson to take from this election, both politically and morally.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:44 PM
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6. No health care bill would be great for California.
Because we would be free to pass our own single payer plan and the premiums could go directly to the doctors without having pass the Go of the greedy insurance companies.

That is what I really want to see happen.

Californians would love to try it. And if it works well here, state after state will copy our system. I will be volunteering to work for that.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:53 PM
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8. Bankrupt California is going to do that?
Not in my lifetime. They don't have the money right now to even provide services, or pay employees. And to do single payer in California you'd have to raise taxes ... and we all know how well that works in California. That is precisely why the state is bankrupt. So no, that's not going to happen.

In the meantime, 45,000 people a year will die because they have no insurance; untold others will go bankrupt because they cannot obtain or cannot afford insurance. Medicaid will not be expanded to cover more poor. Subsidies won't be given out to help the working poor and middle class to afford to buy insurance. The insurance companies will get fatter and stronger as they continue, unregulated, to raise premiums with no end in sight, and to kick people off their rosters because they are sick and it is no longer profitable to insure them. They will continue to say no to people who have even the slightest pre-existing condition.

So if that is what you want, it's on your conscience. California could still pass a single-payer system of its own even if this bill passed. States are allowed to find their own solutions if they work and are approved.

Let's not even talk about spiraling costs, which if left unaddressed will make health care reform in the future even harder than it is now.

No, I'm sorry. Your pipe dream is only that. And people will suffer because of it.





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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:27 PM
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2. Anyone with a conscience wont vote for this bill...
Which of course means they all will.....:banghead: :mad: Lucifer is laughing it up right now.:evilgrin:
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:27 PM
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3. if they try to ram the senate version through when only
some 30 percent of voters find it palatable, the pukes will be in complete control in Nov.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:33 PM
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4. Do you think it's time to boot Kaine and Rahm (and bring in Howard Dean)?
Cenk has on this that I just posted at DU.
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hotfile Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:41 PM
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5. i think
it's dead
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Fire1sKid Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:54 PM
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7. I think they should bring in Doc too! Absolutely!
:applause:
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:04 PM
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9. My first though was, well, reconciliation!
Duh!!
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