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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:17 PM
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OH SNAP! Pelosi On Obama: 'There Were A Number Of Things He Was For On The Campaign Trail'
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:20 PM
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1. Another "Extemist"...
This should be entertaining...
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:45 PM
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7. YOY, what's an "Exemist"?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:12 PM
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13. It's what happens when you are a goober and type fast.
n.t.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:32 PM
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2. When do the hater haters show up?
Rec to +2

Love or hate, pro or con, praise or criticize...

Reality deserves some recognition and discussion.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:39 PM
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3. Heard from under the bus; INCOMING!!! MAKE WAY!!!
NEW ARRIVAL!!! PLACES EVERYONE!!!!
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:41 PM
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4. Sorry, but I saw the whole thing and she was effusive in her praise of President Obama
TPM conveniently cut that part.They are trying to twist what she said to mean something divisive. Shameful cut.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:58 PM
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5. Oh, like everything a candidate says on the campaign trail comes to pass
Pelosi wasn't criticizing Obama for what he said on the campaign trail: she was acknowledging that candidates say lots of things; they don't always happen. Besides, Obama has no say over what Congress allows C-Span to show. And it's stupid of us for wanting to "see" these back room negotiations. No one is going to say anything on tv anyway: the deals will still be worked out in the back room.

But back to the question of what candidates propose on the campaign trail. Let's turn the wayback machine to 1992, when the Democratic candidates were proposing their healthcare plans:

...voters deserve to know what a candidate would do if elected president. But highly detailed plans don’t tell us that. Nor does the ability to assign some staffers to produce a plan indicate the skills necessary to serve as president. The plans put forward in the primaries are long forgotten by Inauguration Day.

That’s what happened after the Democratic primary-campaign battle over health plans in 1992. Bob Kerrey moved first, taking the left-wing position of support for a single-payer system. Paul Tsongas embraced the centrist, technocratic fix known as managed competition. Under pressure to produce a plan, Bill Clinton half-heartedly wrote one based on the “pay or play” idea, which would require employers either to cover all their workers or pay a tax.

But when Mr. Clinton, as president, unveiled his actual health plan more than a year later, it looked a lot like Mr. Tsongas’s. Meanwhile, Mr. Kerrey forgot his previous embrace of single-payer and became a critic from the right of President Clinton’s Tsongas-like plan. This isn’t evidence that politicians are deceitful or willfully break their promises. They were promises that shouldn’t have been made in the first place.

We don’t give our presidents total power to enact policy. They have to work with a Congress made up of people with their own views and constituencies. Does anyone really think that a plan cooked up by a bunch of smart 20-somethings after a couple of all-nighters amid the empty pizza boxes and pressures of a campaign is superior to what could be developed with the full resources of the federal government and open Congressional hearings and debate?


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/opinion/24schmitt.html

Clinton's plan was not anything like what he proposed on the campaign trail. Of course, it never even made it out of committee, so that's why we don't bother to carp about what he promised. The only reason people are holding Obama's feet to the fire is that Congress is very close to enacting a plan. No, it's not entirely what he ran on, it's probably not entirely to his liking. But to pretend that every word a candidate says on the campaign trail is a solemn pledge that must be accomplished is not just naive, it's childish.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:44 PM
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6. Doesn't that just justify lying then?............
Why should campaign promises be any less susceptible to the truth-squad than anything else a politician says? A lie on the campaign trail is a lie in any context. And just because folks have done it in the past shouldn't be a justification for continuing the policy in the future. A lie is a lie.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:06 PM
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12. It's not lying: they're proposals ...
You look to the broad promises, but specifics can change depending on circumstances (massive recession, etc.). And as the article I quoted says:

We don’t give our presidents total power to enact policy. They have to work with a Congress made up of people with their own views and constituencies.

And as many of us said during the primaries: you don't look to the specifics of policy papers the candidate puts out 'cause it ain't gonna happen like that. You look to the candidate's general character and abilities. There wasn't a whole lot of difference in any of the primary candidates' health proposals. Everyone here was super gaga over John Edwards and his supposedly fab health care details. That worked out well, didn't it?

So stop with this "lying" crap. You lay out the best set of proposals you can to (a) reflect what you believe and (b) win the election; then, within a wide set of boundaries, you must live up to the broad--but not specific--outlines of those proposals. That has occurred.

I am tired of whiny ass titty babies (expression not my own--it was popular on our side during the Bush administration; I'm resurrecting it now).

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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:53 AM
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15. Oh wow. When you add the insult it makes your point so much clearer.
WTF was I thinking?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:59 PM
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11. Excellent point you make - the deals will still be worked out in the back room. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:47 PM
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8. For once, I thought Speaker Nancy Doody made a really good funny.
Media freakout on the horizon!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:50 PM
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9. Does anyone know what the speaker was referring to when she spoke about
something in the bill that will make the insurance co. want a public option?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:38 PM
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10. It was said with much clarity that he has not been what we'd hoped (& no I'm not talking to the
folks who adore everything he does because they find him the greatest man on the planet), so I'm glad she said that. Makes me realize it's not just a majority of the people that feel that way, but even insiders like her admit it...

THANK YOU KPETE FOR ADDING THIS!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:35 PM
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14. Pelosi is one of Obama's greatest supporters.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 08:37 PM by tabatha
It was a bland statement without any meaning.

AND, AND .......


Congress under Pelosi's leadership is responsible for the house bill, not Obama.

So if you are suggesting that it is Obama's failure and Pelosi is blaming him, your logic is backwards.

Laughingly, ridiculously stupid.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:48 PM
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16. 'bland statement without any meaning' - sure it was. she's just a babbling fool. it was clear to
anyone not wearing rose-colored glasses the dig implied. rather comical (not stupid, you're just hateful) that you perceive as just a passing comment without intent - she's no dummy and her words were chosen wisely.

He promised a lot of things during the lie-period, when politicos are trying to woo everyone to vote for them.
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