MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Yells at Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) - Will Apologize

[Tx4obama]

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Ratigan Will Apologize

MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan tweets that he'll apologize for "losing temper" but not for "challenging lies and misinformation" after his tantrum of an interview this morning with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL).

[virgogal]

1. Yaaawwnnn. Another day,another apology.

[NYC_SKP]

2. I don't watch him anymore. He comes on early, that's now way to start one's day.

And, what a turd with Rep. Wasserman Shultz.

[FarLeftFist]

3. Dylan says: "The stock market reflects reality"

I think the complete opposite. The stock market reflects speculation, fantasy, and non-reality.

[Kahuna]

8. Exactly. Those buyers are in it for a quick buck. They push the prices

up on speculation, then sell and make a tidy profit. It's all a scam.

[FarLeftFist]

15. True. If he thinks the stock market reflects reality then....

Why is the stock market over 10,000 during a recession. It's speculation. Not to mention the awkward shaped bubble that is developing.

[mckara]

26. Because Traders Recognize a Boondoggle When They See One!

[cartach]

44. And most of the rest

of the buyers and sellers i.e.,the little guy,are driven by psychological factors and very few facts.

[Mnpaul]

4. Go Dylan

Don't let them spew their talking points. Answer the question or STFU.

[Tx4obama]

5. What's the matter with you?

Dylan shouldn't have asked her to come on the show if he wasn't going to let her talk and his rudeness to her was over the top!

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should have been shown respect.

Debbie usually knows her stuff and doesn't just spew talking points like the republicans do!

[TheEuclideanOne]

21. I agree, Dylan shouldn't put up with Talking points.

I have never actually seen her at a loss for good sound answers, but it did seem to be the case here. Our congressmen are turning what could have been a spectacular achievement into a total disaster on so many levels. I think that they should start getting used to rudeness now. They have to be quite aware of what a disaster this is. If anything, say "Yes, we screwed up something as monumental as this!". But don't paint it as some amazing accomplishment when it is quite the opposite, especially to somebody who knows exactly what you created.

I think that she had one chance to turn it around, but instead went with the "I am not a stock analyst" route and it was pretty clear that she was not prepared to own up to the result that is right on the horizon.

[PatSeg]

36. I saw it this morning

and though I though Dylan was a bit rude, I completely understood why he got so upset. She was just spouting off talking points and I really expected better from her. I think he could have handled it better, but he was right and she wasn't very convincing.

[rasputin1952]

54. You are kidding right...

she never got a chance to even get close to answering a question...he rudely talked over her, and got shrill when challenged about it.

[TheEuclideanOne]

58. She did have a chance to answer, but she didn't.

There was one point, which he stopped for a moment and asked the question "Why did the insurance stocks go up 10%?". Obviously she knew where he was going with this and answered "I am not a stock analyst", which was a complete dodge. Considering how the conversation was going up to that point, when you get one question and you dodge it, don't expect the conversation to get back on track.

[rasputin1952]

59. It wasn't a complete dodge, she's not a stock analyst...

and the stock market works on speculation, not cold hard facts. Stocks went up because Lieberman/Nelson are holding the Bill hostage. If it goes through, those stocks will drop.

[geckosfeet]

67. It was a dodge. If congresspeople can't see the affect of legislation on the markets

then they are incompetent.

She absolutely knew why the markets were up but did not want to go on record saying it was because congress is about to hand the insurance industry a guaranteed source of income for the foreseeable future.

[rasputin1952]

69. From what I saw, and I watched the piece 3x...

she did not have the opportunity to answer in any way, shape or form. Every time she she got out a maximum of a sentence and a half or less, she was interrupted. Who knows what she would have had for a conclusion?

She was shouted down, and Ratigan answered his own question to his own satisfaction, no one else's.

It was bullying a'la O'Reilly, Hannity or Tweety.

I have no sixth sense, no crystal ball, no ESP...if I ask a question, I have the decency to wait for an answer; if there are other questions, I will ask them after I get a response from the first one. I won't just talk over another, it is rude and serves no purpose. If you can tell me what she was going to say, and not speculate about it, please tell me, and everyone else, it would be illuminating and you might prove that ESP exists.


BTW...the market operates on some formula's, speculation and chance. Now that Nelson has sided w/the D's on HCR, I am willing to bet those 4 insurance companies stock will drop, perhaps dramatically.

[TheEuclideanOne]

71. Perhaps Dylan is oversensitive to talking points

When he hears somebody answer a question that begins with a talking point, he assumes (and fairly) that politician will not veer off of them into a different answer. Sure, nobody is psychic and can predict anybody's answer, but the smart money is on the politician simply completing that talking point. I actually like her quite alot and would not be surprised if she was the exception. Regardless, a dodge is a dodge and this was the wrong time to fall back on talking points.

Here is the difference between these types of conversations and the ones you and I may have. If Dylan (or any talking head) asks a politician a question and the politician just recites a talking point, the politician has caused two sins. First, he did not answer the question authentically or honestly. He/she simply recites a pre-worded, usually intellectually dishonest answer with maximum spin. Second, he gets "credit" for having a nicely worded answer that the people who don't watch the news regularly will accept as a good answer. If I start up a conversation with somebody. I ask a question and they answer. They ask me a question and I answer. Neither of us has some prewritten answer in our head that we can use if somebody asks a question that we don't want to answer. If we DID have conversations like the ones Dylan had, we may get short tempered when we hear somebody starting off with their rehearsed answer.

[rasputin1952]

74. I see your point...however, he was still remarkably rude...

and lost, as far as I'm concerned, when he just kept going on about how he knew everything. Point of fact, if you are going to just bloviate about your expertise, why have a guest at all?

He may well have thought he knew what she was going to say; but he should have let her say it, then come back with a retort.

I have now watched that 5x, just to make sure I didn't miss anything...I didn't. He just ranted on, getting louder and more belligerent as the "interview" went on. In my opinion...he's a complete ass, and is in the same league as Hannity or O'Reilly, one more loud mouthed "know-it-all".

[TheEuclideanOne]

75. Okay, I just rewatched it and heard her start 3 sentences (see below)

and get cut off on each one, and deservedly so. Dylan was not being rude, he was being impation and blunt with a "Don't give me that shit" undertone if he didn't hear anything that came close to reality. None of what she was saying mirrored reality at all. Basically I am totally with Dylan on the way he treated her. If she wants to have a real conversation on his show, don't insult him by thinking that you can somehow convince him that this bill is anything but what it is.


a) Life in America is going to be very different...
b) The system will be changed to a consumer based system....
c) I am not a stock analyst.....


So, which one of the above do you not have a "WTF?!?!?!" reaction to when watching? Also, is it really so difficult to see where she is going with any of these points? For example, would you let her finish point "a" and explain how America is a brand new America with a wonderfully reformed system that will offer amazing benefits to all Americans now that all of these reforms are in place? I would have cut her off too (if I had a show.... and talent.... and more knowledge).

She was taken by surprise, I think, by getting this reaction from MSNBC. All I can say is.... get used to it!

[rasputin1952]

76. You don't think that his...

"...he was being impation and blunt with a "Don't give me that shit" undertone if he didn't hear anything that came close to reality." Justified his rudeness.

He cut her off mid-sentence...who knows what shew was going to follow up with...that's my whole point. Prhaps, he would have gotten an answer if he allowed her to continue.

As far as i could see...he was just a screaming loon. You are certainly entitled to your opinion...I just don't see it the way you do.

To be honest, if I sat across from someone like that, I'd first ask if his mother ever taught him manners. I've dealt with people like this before, invariably, they are nothing more than bombastic bullies, they don't wan to hear anything but their own voices.

[TheEuclideanOne]

77. I agree that it was not a civil conversation and he was rude, but

dylan is simply not patient with people like this. Dylan, more than most, can see how basically a potential opportunity for significant healthcare reform has been turned into a total lack of reform + a huge boon for the Insurance companies + an anti-abortion bill. Could we really have a worse outcome? The Democrats started with every single #@$%@! thing in their favor, including a filibuster proof majority (almost) and completely dropped the ball. Who knew that was even possible, even for the Democrats.

Now, with all of that taken into consideration, the last thing in the world anybody wants to do at this point in time is to start the conversation with Dylan by using some sales pitch about what a great accomplishment this is. There is very little recovery from that. I do agree with you, that he was being rude, but for fucks sake, she needs to hear that and she deserved to hear that. There are enough talk shows around with people who know nothing about the current events that can calmly react with "Well... you may be right.... I guess we will see. Next topic".

If Dylan reacted like this with every guest, I can see the comparisons to the O'Reily's and Hannitys, but he is not like this all the time and I think that it was justified in this case. On other occassions, he lays into the guest and, when it is justified, I think that it is a good thing to have in our media.

Regarding your comment of "who knows what she was going to follow up with", I don't think you need to be a psychic to see where she was headed. You seem pretty savvy, I bet you could come close to finishing her sentence. Maybe not word for word, but at least go where she was heading if you tried, based on the context and how she started it.

[rasputin1952]

78. I will certainly concede that this could have been better...

but "what could be worse"...nothing at all.

I'd rather have something come through even if it doesn't have precisely what I want than nothing at all.

Let's see what happens in conference...I think things will be at least a little different, and on the + side...:)

I guess I should explain that I have a real problem with bullying tactics, no matter where they come from. In this instance, I saw a guy who cut off another person, and that just riles me to no end. I've spent a lifetime fighting against stuff like that. I find behavior like that reprehensible, regardless of the circumstances. If Ratigan could not control himself to any degree, the very least he could have done was act like a man and show at least a little respect for another human being.


edited: dumb typo...:blush:

[TheEuclideanOne]

79. Fair enough.

Apparently you are alot nicer of a person than I am. :) Well, keep up the good fight. Even though you and I see things slightly differently, it is good to see folks standing up for other people and for what they think is right.

I am in kind of a bad mood today reading about the healthcare bill, so I might be in more of a "kill the bastards" mindset than I normally am. That is one thing I hate sometimes about following politics.

[rasputin1952]

80. You know what...

if everyone discussed situations like we just did, even though we didn't see eye to eye, this place would be so much better.

Glad to have had this discussion...thanks...:hi:

[TheEuclideanOne]

81. I couldn't disagree more

j/k :rofl:

yes, the feeling is mutual.

[SusanaMontana41]

87. I'll take it a step further

This country would be so much better if everyone discussed their disagreements the way you two just did.

I enjoyed reading the exchange. Thanks very much!

[ellenfl]

85. i watched it and he hammered her without cause. he asked a

rhetorical question which she was not specifically qualified or prepared to answer. he should not have had her on the show if that was going to be his line of questioning. he should have had mad man kramer on, instead. i guess we'll see if he knows what he's talking about, if the stock prices drop.

ellen fl

[Mnpaul]

25. BS

She was launching into the same old canned talking points. This bill.. blah blah.. greatest thing since white bread.... blah blah

[mckara]

28. Oh, Pleeeeeeeease!

When politicians learn to treat citizens with respect, then, and only then, should they get respect!

[Mithreal]

49. succinct and true

[rasputin1952]

55. You've GOT ot be kidding...

All he did was talk over her, never giving her a chance to respond.

Too top it all off, he answered his own question; why have anyone on at all if you do nothing but ask a superfluous question, then answer it yourself?

[mckara]

63. She Wasn't Answering the Question, Only Giving Spin...

That was why he shut her down, and told her she was wasting their time with talking points.

Try to be objective and don't accept DLC propaganda so readily!

[rasputin1952]

64. For one thing, did you actually watch what happened?

Most people, when answering a question star off with a small bit of dialog, just as she did, he never let her get around to answering anything.

I don't know how many times you've been in a situation like that, but I've been there, and when asked a question, I expect a chance to answer it in the way I see fit. After actually hearing my answer, that is the time someone can challenge it. It is rude and irresponsible yto ask a question, then over-talk the individual you asked the question to.

That was nothing but bullying and attack dog tactics. It was incredibly stupid and showed him to be a complete ass.

She never had a real chance to say anything.

[geckosfeet]

68. She was answering a question. Just not the one he asked her.

She was in effect asking herself a question (different from the one she was asked) then going off and answering it.

He stopped her before she could waste more of his (and our) time.

[rasputin1952]

70. He wasted a lot of time explaining himself and his view...

perhaps if he had waited for the answer, she would have given her take on the issue.

She said flatly she had no knowledge of how the market worked in this instance, then he went on to berate her.

You may see it differently, but I saw what happened and he wasted fully 2/3 of the "interview" giving little more than his own opinion and berating Wasserman-Schultz. She, on several occasions asked to be allowed to speak...he didn't let her. It was a farce and a showing of a complete lack of manners and little more than a bully session for him.

[mckara]

83. You've Got to Be Kidding!

You're sure drinking the propaganda kool-aid. Try reading more!

[SpiralHawk]

7. Yah, why did the republicons borrow-and-spend our economy into the crapper?

Why did the republicon homelanders FAIL so miserably at everyfreakingthing without the republicon-corporate media borg ever once even asking the question?

Answer the question or STFU

[JDPriestly]

42. The Republicans are horrible. But that does not excuse the Democrats

for also being horrible. Can't any of our politicians rise above the corruption and do the right thing for our country?

[Mithreal]

50. The corporate media took Bush and Cheney's threats against them seriously

case in point, Helen.

I am not excusing the war machine media monopoly though.

How much of 24/7 media should be filled by talking points from the right or left?

He lost his cool, she seemed to handle herself well and image is everything, right?

[mystieus]

6. I never liked Dylan Ratigan. he comes off as an asshole fast talker spit in the corner of his mouth

[FrenchieCat]

10. I don't like him either, and because of that I don't watch him.....

it's like he tries to prove how right he is by monopolizing the air with his long winded statements...as though the faster he says something, the more it must be true.

[girl gone mad]

27. Yes, and he's way wrong about the stock market being an indicator..

of the wider economy. Everyone can see that the fundamentals don't support equities at this level. Another bubble waiting to pop. Ratigan has never quite shaken his corporate shill roots.

[Grassy Knoll]

9. Geez , Dylan put down the crack pipe.......

He talks faster than she could think.
He sounds like a Dem version of O'Reilly .

[scentopine]

11. I have no problem with this. Politicians fuck us over. They need to feel the anger.

[mrcheerful]

14. If the health care reform bill was such a great give away for the insurance companies

then why have they poured so much money into tea baggers and congress to stop the bill in any shape or form? You really need to understand that any reform bill no matter how crappy it may appear at any moment in time has one nasty habit, it gets improved over time and once voters see how well the bill is the more they push to have it made better. Social Security when it was passed was not the same as it is today, same with medicare, welfare and every other bill.

[FarLeftFist]

18. Good point.

We need a bill to add amendments to, amendments can't be added to a non-existent bill. This bill does have a lot of good major steps forward in it. We all can agree that it's not perfect, but I'm a realist that knows as Democrats we have to keep fighting for every inch in our attempts to progress America forward. B/c we know all too well the opposition will do everything in it's power to keep pulling this country back into class warfare and anti-union corporate slavery. Then there are the fundie's.

[scentopine]

24. Those are pipe dreams. Did we get improved banking reform?

"once they see how well the bill is"

It stinks. That's what we see.

Once Obama gets elected things will get better. They haven't really gotten better.

I hear a deafening silence from the insurance companies. They are too busy writing the legislation to take time out to protest their own legislation.

Once Obama escalates Afghanistan, things will get better.

Once Obama clears the CIA for torture and takes prosecution off the table things will get better.

Once we give trillions to wall street with no effective oversight, things will get better.

It NEVER gets better over time. NEVER.

Banking Reform I in the 80s didn't fix banking reform, they continued to gut legislation and pass new legislation allowing banks to engage in unscrupulous investments and practices.

Iraq War Powers reform and single executive stating undeclared wars - it didn't get better. It got worse. Much worse.

Torture reform - it didn't get better, it got worse.

Enron - energy reform has been a disaster. Estimates now put gov. liability at around 100 billion or more.

Banking Reform II - another unmitigated disaster.

Democrats and republicans two sides of the same bankrupt coin.

Social Security? Compare that with housing costs, food costs, medical costs, on and on its value plunges every year. It isn't better.

The only thing that gets better is the profit of a narrow minority of uber rich politicians and their benefactors.

The only sure thing is when corporations are in control of public policy, people lose and corporations win.

Medicare Part D ? Jesus Christ that is so heavily tilted to pharma how could they not love it?

I'm sick of smug realist/centrist democrats cooly promising nebulous improvements with abstract notions of rhetorical market places and chess.

Jobs are still hemorrhaging to unregulated labor markets where corporations are training unskilled and untrained labor while skilled labor here goes unhired, corporations are raping the treasury and buying our politicians, they are hurting this country. We pay taxes to give kindergarteners computers while AT&T trains a 26 year old in Bangalore to use a computer for the first time. He isn't smarter, they can fire him if he gets sick.

ENOUGH!

The new democrats are cut from the Reagan neo-con. I didn't like the neo-con, I don't like the neo-lib. They are indistinguishable.

Centrists continue to screw all of us. They are worse than the republicans. At least with a republican you know you are getting shit.

With today's democrat, they are so caught up in a nefarious world of business speak and espousing the dubious principals of "business" they are literally treating us like their employees.

[JDPriestly]

43. Why did they pour so much money into the tea-baggers?

Because there was a chance that Congress might actually put some teeth into the cost-cutting measures in the bill like a public option or Medicare for all. They were just being super cautious.

[pundaint]

47. The same reason some of us use hyperbole in our statements to keep the pressure up!

The corporatists understand a significant number in any group are windsocks, and they want the wind to keep blowing their way.

And that is why I will never ever ever vote democratic again unless we get universal single payer healthcare.

[Mithreal]

51. Not to pile on, but they bought insurance.

[quark219]

23. +1. Ratigan gets it; Wasserman Schultz doesn't.

I'd be happier if he didn't apologize.

[theFrankFactor]

38. She Was Caught In Her Own Bull Shit

There was nothing for her to defend. When guests spend what precious time they have in an interview blubbering about not being able to filibuster with non sequiters and talking points because the host keeps asking the question they REFUSE to answer they can go to hell.

[bjobotts]

46. Nonsense.He's only looking at the short term.Ins is now open to morre gov, regulation and monitorin

If congress will only do it...this is what she was trying to get out. Stock market doesn't reflect reality...just look how it varied with Obama's popularity. These prices will drop considerably. She was there to comment on policy and once she said she wasn't a stock analyst expert then that's all he wanted to talk about. He's still trying to build a rep. name. He should of let her speak instead of harrassing her. Incivility doesn't go with facts...facts are neutral. Plenty of time for him to rage without the Rush like nastiness. Some just get off on the nastiness.

[theFrankFactor]

60. Yeah, I Could See She REALLY Had a SERIOUS Answer She Was Just So Bullied.... NOT!

Bullshit! She's no hapless victim. He made more of an issue out of the market because she filibustered with horse shit when he asked about the bill itself. Was he a sweetie? No. Is she a shit head? Yes.

[rasputin1952]

56. At the very least...

if you ask a question...expect an answer...and give the individual a chance to answer. Ratigan acted like a fool and a bully. How can he make an "argument: against an answer...when no answer is there?

This was an exercise in bullying, not journalism and certainly not manners or tact.

[husky92]

12. Had His Scheme All Planned Out...

Ratigan knew all along what the hell he was going to do with his guest and he just wanted to get someone on to shout down. Sure his question was relevant, but why the hell did he think those stocks went up! What was Debbie supposed to do, give a different answer than what he and everyone else already knew? A trained chimp could have predicted this after everyone on TV said it looks like a win-win for the healthcare industry. What a shocker. He did act like an ass hole however.

[no limit]

16. Right, but when the people that wrote these laws refuse to admit its a give out to insurance

then we have a right to get pissed off.

[20score]

13. Thank you for calling bullshit when you see it, Dylan.

Maybe he shouldn't have yelled, but I'm very glad he didn't let her get away with lying.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. The ending was pretty amusing. They both talked as if the other was not there.

What's that word, Kabukie?
rec.

[Slit Skirt]

19. I am enjoying this...

it was Ed Perlmutter the other day. For some reason, when you are in Washington DC, you feel really good about doing a job half-ass. or passing legislation that gives rich people even more wealth than they already have. Part of the problem is low expectations.
Why are we supportive or thrilled that they did something.
well, I believe we should start demanding a higher standard from our elected officials...and it should start by telling the truth.

I like Dylan Ratigan. He holds people accountable.

that's what we wanted right? or is it different now because dems are in control?

[Hulk]

20. I enjoy seeing politicians called on to explain....

..and IF they explain...fine. If they dodge the questions with talking points and generalities that tell us NOTHING, then it's the host's responsibility to call them on it.

This was neither. Instead of Dylan having her explain "the patient focus" stuff...he just loses it. I'm sorry, but he was way rude, and I wouldn't bother going on his show after this encounter. Sure, Wasserman does the political jargon dance-step, but CALL HER ON IT; don't just be an insulting, rude bully host. Worthless show. I would tell him to stick his apology up his ass.

[mckara]

22. Dylan was Correct! Politicians are Bought Dogs!

They have little interest in protecting rights of ordinary citizens.

Modern politicians are disgusting!

People criticizing Dylan are politically naive.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

30. I agree with your post, but please refrain from the Bold reply.

It puts people off. Few will accept something thrown into the face.

[bertman]

29. Wasserman-Schultz is a DLC shill. She was launching into her packaged this-is-a-wonderful-

bill spiel and it pissed him off even more. It's too bad he didn't let her speak more and then jump on her sorry ass, but I can understand the level of anger he must have toward people like her who are trying to sell us out to the Insurance Gangsters.

He is one of the few progressive financial analysts on the tube. I'm glad we have him to speak out for us.

Rec.

[pjt7]

31. Schultz

really comes off as a lightweight here.

I like Ratigian showing how the Insurance stocks have been going up. Wall Street is all over who BENEFITS from Congress & unfortunately the people's stock is going DOWN.

[bertman]

39. Wasserman-Schultz is not a lightweight as far as the DLC is concerned. She is an "annointed one".

She gets more major media air time than most other Reps in her class and experience group. She was one of the movers and shakers in Florida who made certain that the Progressive Democratic candidates were short-circuited and the right-wing, southern-Florida Republican nutcases had no well-financed challengers.

She and Harold Ford Jr are peas in a pod. Corporate Dems to the Max. And now Kendrick Meek is in that same bunch.

Expect to see and hear more from all of them in the upcoming election cycles.

You are absolutely right that the People's stock is going DOWN, pjt7.

[theFrankFactor]

61. If Only More Democrats Could See This...

You're correct!

[bertman]

73. Thanks, Frank. I appreciate you doing your part to educate America.

[earcandle]

32. Yea he should not apologize. This is not for consumers it IS for Insurance companies. Ratigan is

right on.  Thanks Ratigan.  These people think they are the be
all end all.  They aren't. 
They are public servants and when the press speaks, they speak
for us. If she cannot explain
the rise in stocks its because she is redirecting the
conversation to its opposite.  I notice
a lot of them have been trained in doing that, or simply make
non-verbal sounds  with language 
that does not address the issues, but non verbally sound as if
they are answering when they are saying nothing.  
And the other members let it pass as if they said something
valid.  Its a crock. 

Thanks for not letting it pass.

[Jefferson23]

33. Terrible interview, Ratigan, get it together and perhaps you'll be prepared to challenge not bully.

[pa28]

34. I agree with so much of what he's saying.

But he's just coming off like a guy who needs 3-5 weeks of treatment for "exhaustion". Not a great way to add credibility to the message.

[BenjaminFranklin]

35. I like Wasserman Schultz, but...

Ratigan dropped the hammer and should have. Anyone criticizing Ratigan has their head up their ass. The guy is smart and regularly eats repukes for breakfast. The insurance companies stocks are up because they see the pot of gold at the end of the fucking healthcare reform rainbow. If I had the cash on hand I'd invest it all in these fucking corrupt companies, too. Dammitall I should go out and borrow the shit to invest with the windfall Obamacare is about to send the insurance companies way. God damn shame.

[classysassy]

37. Where do they find those fools?

A newsman he is not.

[Krashkopf]

40. Ratigan is CORRECT, but his is also an ASSHOLE

[cartach]

45. With two assholes !

[winstars]

84. Debbie can be Cool...

Dylan was just being himself... He does get a bit rude and I think in this case even for him it was not very good for the info we seek. HOWEVER, a least for me, she gets the lifetime 'get out of jail' card for cleaning Issa's clock that time on Tweety when she knew exactly how many jobs the stim bill would save/or bring to his district. Pure beauty it was so for me... I am aware of her Florida hijinks in other congressional districts supporting the "wrong people" other than that we here would prefer she support. All Politicians ARE bought and paid for, the difference is that some of them sometimes actually vote for something that we care about. (Sometimes) At least we don't have 'kin white people like that guy Zack Wamp or whatever his stupid name is!!!!!!

[JDPriestly]

41. Dylan was right.

We used to call what she was doing a "snow job." She was just throwing a lot of words into space to distract from Dylan's excellent question.

I don't entirely understand the stock market either, but I'm learning. She has aides who do research for her. She should be watching the stock market and studying the effect of events on it if she wants to serve the people.

The bill is a catastrophe, and the Democrats do not want to admit just how badly they have been taken by President Obama and the health care insurance companies.

Honesty is always the best policy. The Democrats in Congress had better just swallow their pride and speak truth to the power in the White House and the insurance companies. The Senate bill that contains no cuts to health care costs other than those to Medicare will insure big losses on the Democratic side in Congress in 2010. What senior is going to vote for someone who supports such a bill? What baby boomer is going to vote for someone who supports such a bill?

The Democrats need to wake up and stop proving the Tea-Baggers right. They know better. Their pride is all they have to lose if they simply own up to the facts and don't pass the bill.

It is tragic for our country that our politicians like Lieberman are so corrupt that they cannot pass legislation that will protect the health of Americans. What incompetence. What corruption.

Thank you Dylan Ratigan for exposing the talking points for what they are.

[pundaint]

48. It's good to challenge, but you must allow an answer, otherwise all you have

is an assertion. Sure she said consumer oriented, but wouldn't it have been better to let her try to explain that, than to make her a sympathetic figure? I don't watch Tweety for the same behavior that Dylan exhibits.

Ms Schultz did have the best line "you could be your own guest." Ya gotta love that.

[Mithreal]

52. His show shouldn't be used as a platform for propaganda, rw or lw

Sometimes it takes an asshole.

Shouting over is bad form but it is also a warning that non-answers won't be tolerated.

If he does it often, then call him on it, but he isn't a tweety class gasbag.

[Enthusiast]

53. What was the point of the rude

behavior? He didn't even allow her to speak.

[olegramps]

57. He is as obnoxious as the crew at FOX.

[Are_grits_groceries]

62. I have a big problem with his yelling.

Why does he pick this time to 'drop the hammer?' There have been plenty of Rethugs spinning their lies and bullshit, and I haven't heard him giving them nearly that much grief.

I don't agree with her on a lot of things, but suddenly this is the issue Ratigan chooses? Why a Dem and why try to make a policy look worse by yelling?

If he won't go after others who are being completely obstructive and blocking everything from votes on bills to votes on key appointees, he can STFU and stop hollering. I'll wait to see when he gets overheated at one of them.

[Uncle Joe]

65. I totally agree with Ratigan on the issue, but he should apologize nonetheless, he never gave her a

real chance to give an answer.

His behavior was unprofessional.

Having said all that I believe the mandated purchasing of private for profit "health" insurance is a disaster on all fronts, I see no moral, logical, functional or efficiency reason for it's passing. This is a gift to an unsavory industry and I believe bribery was the primary motivation for that gift, the people have been sold out to the corporations.

I also believe this will be a political disaster for the Democratic Party for years to come and when the Republicans; come to power, they will only aggravate an already f*%#@$up policy.

[geckosfeet]

66. I have to agree with his analysis. His methods are questionable.

[Subdivisions]

72. Fuck her! She's a goddamned servant of the people, EVEN RATIGAN!

If you can't answer the fucking question, then stay you ass in your office! You ain't no fucking better than any other politician Ratigan rakes over the coals!

Fuck you and your apology!

[ShamelessHussy]

82. i don't like the yelling, but his point was right on, the stocks are up because this is a windfall

for the insurance companies.

however, i suspect there is gonna be a whole lot more yelling before any real reform for the people is enacted.

[ohiodemocratic]

86. I agree with Dylan's anti-monopoly argument n/t

[gateley]

88. I agree with Dylan's argument, and am impressed by how DWS

stood up to him.

I think he was yelling out of frustration -- not at HER personally, and I think her responses indicated she understood that. I think, like Ed does at times (and God knows, Tweety), he doesn't hear a succinct answer initially and doesn't give them the time to explain it further. It seems as though she was trying to actually explain why she feels it would be going from a insurance-based to a consumer-based plan, but he didn't let her finish.

I don't know if she could have answered in a way that addressed his questions (and all of ours -- how long have we been saying that it's a give-away, the tell being the soaring stock prices), but I wish he would have let her finish her thoughts.

I really like them both. I would like to see them actually have a discussion. After Dylan has a cup of chamomile tea. :)