Obama's Nobel Speech Part 4 of 4

[me b zola]

Run time: 06:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavCRCo9aMI   Posted on YouTube: December 10, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: December 10, 2009 By DU Member: me b zola Views on DU: 885

 
Well done. :patriot:

[Deja Q]

1. Well, let's wait and see what happens with globalization.

Right now it appears as if things really are moving backwards. But I'll trust Obama far more than I ever would with Bush.

Like he said, "do unto others". Bush never believed or engaged in that train of thought. President Obama sounds like he wants to.

[Fearless]

2. I'm tired trusting him...

I want results. The excuse is that it's only been a year, well shit Bush did more in a year than I'd like to remember.

[swilton]

3. Actions Speak Louder Than Words

Obama's words are indeed eloquent - and he can walk and chew gum at the same time.

It's the policies that are problematic and troublesome.

[Quantess]

4. He looks so green.

[Hekate]

5. KnR for the articulation of the Obama Doctrine.

Thanks for finding and posting these videos, Zola.

Hekate

[Amerigus]

6. Channeling Dr. King

I gotta admit, I watched this vid looking for one snippet I heard on the radio "EVIL EXISTS IN THE WORLD"
I thought what the frig! Obama is quoting a Bush phrase (that Hannity has kept alive on his daily neocon infomercial) to defend the Afghan troop surge.

Though Obama did use the phrase, I think it was in a different context.

Bush said it as a warning - you're with us or against us. Evil exists in the world, we're going to decide what that evil is and we're going to blow it up, whether we were right or not. He lived up to his word too.

After being criticized for overseas "apology" speeches, Obama used the same phrase, but not to parrot the war hawks, he used it as a admission - we're a big, mixed up country. We cannot stop our own war machine, this is gonna happen.

I feel this because Obama's triumph here was channeling MLK. He used his time properly - he was humble, he was straight up with the world and he explained we should fight for peace, even if we do so against ourselves.

It is an indictment of Obama's weakness, giving in to the hawks, it would seem. But in reality, he is giving in to the electorate who votes for those hawks, considering every decision he makes in terms of it's impact on the 2012 election: the economy, health care, immigration, war.

[JDPriestly]

7. Obama said that violations of international law should be punished.

Well, why aren't the violations by the Bush administration being pursued in a meaningful way? Why are members of the current Justice Department arguing against court inquiries and judgments about the use of torture for example?

I did not like this speech. And I do not think that the audience liked it either. The reactions appeared to me to be polite but skeptical -- People sat stone-faced.

Would non-Americans understand the reference to following the Northern Star? I'm not sure about that.

[patrice]

8. Here's a summary of the main points:

An award that speaks to our highest aspirations
Our actions matter and can bend history toward justice
I'm at the beginning of my labors
Most profound issue surrounding this prize is that I am CIC of troops at war
I have acute sense of costs of armed conflict
War has always been a human fact
Law sought control
Philosophy sought control
Just war was defined
Just war has historically been rarely observed
Defeat of 3rd Reich was Just Cause
More civilians than soldiers died in WWII
Institutions developed to prevent world war
America lead World to construct these institutions
Some success in this = no WW III
We are the heirs of foresight & fortitude
Old architecture is buckling under new threats
In today's wars more civilians are killed, seeds of future conflicts sown
I have no solution to the problems of war
We must think in new ways about the imperatives of Just Wars and the imperatives of Just Peace
We will not eradicate violent conflict
Nations will find the use of force necessary & Justified
MLK Violence never brings permanent peace
I am living testimony to the moral force of nonviolence, it is not weak, passive, or naïve
As a head of state, sworn to protect my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone
I face the world as it is and cannot be idle in the face of evil in the world
This not cynicism, but a recognition of history, imperfections of man, limits of reason
There is deep ambivalence about military action no matter what the cost
Reflexive suspicion of America, the world's sole military super-power
Whatever mistakes we have made the fact is that for 6 decades the US has underwritten global security
This promoted peace and security
Not to impose our will
Out of enlightened self-interest
We seek better lives for our children and believe they will have it if others have peace & prosperity
So instruments of war do have a role to play in preserving the peace
This truth must co exist with another
No matter how Justified war promises human tragedy
Soldiers' courage and sacrifice is full of glory expressing devotion to country, cause, comrades in arms
But war itself is never glorious
Must never be trumpeted as such
Part of challenge is to reconcile two seemingly ir-reconcilable truths
War is necessary: War is an expression of human folly
JFK let us focus on a more practical more attainable peace, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature, but on a gradual evolution of human institutions
What might this evolution look like:
Practical steps: all nations must adhere to standards that govern the use of force;
Adherence to standards strengthens those who do and isolates and weakens those who don't
Consensus re self-defense, against aggression
No nation can insist that others follow rules if they don't follow them themselves
Doing so makes their actions appear arbitrary and undercut legitimacy of future interventions
No matter how justified
This becomes particularly important when purpose of military extends beyond self defense
Or (beyond) the defense of one nation against an aggressor
More questions about how to prevent a a government killing its own citizens
Or prevent violence from engulfing a region
Force can be justified on humanitarian grounds
In-action tears at conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later
All nations must embrace role military with clear mandate can play to keep the peace
America's commitment to global security will never waver
America cannot act alone, because America alone cannot secure the peace
True in Afghanistan and Somalia will continue to be true in unstable regions for years to come
NATO demonstrate this truth
But many nations have disconnect between efforts of those who serve & ambivalence of broader public
I understand why war is not popular, but
The belief that peace is desirable is rarely enough to achieve it
Peace requires responsibility, entails sacrifice,
This is why NATO is indispensable and we must strengthen UN peace keeping
Don't leave task to a few countries
Why we honor those who return home, not as wagers of wars, but as makers of peace
As we make difficult decisions about going to war, we must think clearly about how we fight it
We have a moral and strategic interest in binding ourselves to certain rules of conduct
This makes us different from those whom we fight
Why I closed Guatanamo, ended torture, recommit to Geneva conventions
Effort to avoid such tragic choices = 3 Ways to build Just and lasting peace:
1. Must develop alternatives to violence that are tough enough to change behavior
Words of international community must mean something
Those who break rules must be held accountable
Sanctions must exact a real price
Intransigence must be met with increased pressure
Pressure exists only when world stands together as one
One urgent example = prevent spread of nuclear weapons,
e.g. Nuclear nonproliferation treaty 50 years ago
All will have access to peaceful nuclear power
Those without will forsake nuclear weapons
Those with them will work to disarm
This treaty is a center piece of my foreign policy
It is incumbent upon all of us to insist that nations do not game the system
We who claim to uphold international law cannot avert our eyes when IL is flouted
Care for security cannot ignore danger of arms race in ME
Same principle applies to those who violate international law by brutalizing their own people
Must be consequences
Yes to engagement, yes to diplomacy, but must be consequences
Closer we stand together the less likely that we will be faced with a choice between armed intervention and complicity in oppression
2. The Nature of the peace that we seek
Peace is not merely the absence of visible conflict
Only a just peace based on the inherent rights and dignity of every individual can be lasting
Declaration of Universal Human Rights after WWII too often ignored
Some countries' failures = excuse that these are Western principles foreign to local culture or stages of development
In America tension between Realists and Idealists re human rights
Suggests stark choice between narrow pursuit of interests or an endless campaign to impose our values around the world.
I reject these choices
Peace is unstable where people are denied the right to speak freely or worship as they please, choose their own leaders, or assemble without fear
Pent up grievances fester, suppression of tribal and religious identity leads to violence
The opposite is also true: only when Europe became free did it find Peace
Neither American interests nor the World's are served by the denial of human aspirations
Even as we respect countries and cultures we will always be a voice for universal aspirations
It is telling that the oppressive leaders fear their own people more than the power of other nations
It is the responsibility of all nations to make clear that these movements of hope and history have us on their side
Promotion of human rights cannot be about exhortation alone, also painstaking diplomacy (lacks the satisfaction and purity of indignation) but sanctions without outreach, condemnation without discussion can carry forward only a crippling status quo
No regime can move down a new path without an open door
No simple formula, must balance isolation and engagement, pressure and incentive
So that human rights and dignity advance over time
3rd Just peace includes not only political and civil right, but also economic security and opportunity
Peace = Not just freedom from fear, but freedom from want
Development does not take root without security, security does not exist where there is not enough access to food, clean water, medicine, shelter, no decent education, or a job that supports a family
The absence of hope can rot a society from within
Helping others is not mere charity,
Security is also why world must come together to address climate change = more conflict for decades
Not just scientist, and environmentalists, but also military leaders in my own country know this
We need agreements among nations, strong institutions, support for human rights, investments in development
I do not believe that we will have the will, determination, staying power to complete this work without something more
We need the continued expansion of our moral imagination
To the insistence that there is something irreducible that we all share
As world grows smaller you might think that it would be easier for us to recognize how similar we are
Globalization, cultural leveling of modernity = people fear the loss of what they cherish in their particular identities, their race, their tribe, most powerfully in their religion
Some places this fear has lead to conflict
Feels like we have moved backwards in many regions
Most dangerously seen in how religion is used to justify the murder of innocence by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam and have attacked my country from Afghanistan
These extremists are not the first to kill in the name of god , e.g. The Crusades
Remind us that no holy war can ever be a just war
Belief that you are carrying out divine will = no need for restraint against anyone even someone of one's own faith
Warped view of religion is incompatible with concept of Peace and also the very purpose of Faith.
The one rule at the heart of every major religion = Do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
Adhering to law of Love has always been the core struggle of human nature
We are fallible
We make mistakes
Fall victim to the temptations of pride and power and sometimes Evil
Even best of intentions fail to right the wrongs before us
We don't have to believe that human nature is perfect to believe that human nature can be perfected
Don't have to live in an idealized world to reach for ideals to make it a better place
Nonviolence may not have been historically possible in every circumstance, but Love, faith in human progress must always be the guide on our journey
If we lose that, faith is silly or naïve,
We lose what is best about humanity, our sense of possibility
MLK = refuse despair as final response to ambiguities of history, refuse to accept is-ness of man's present condition makes him morally capable of reaching up for ought-ness
Let us reach for the world that ought to be
That spark of the divine that still steers within each of our souls
Somewhere today, in the here and now world as it is, a soldier sees that he is out-gunned, but stands firm to keep the peace
Somewhere a young protestor awaits the brutality of her government but has the courage to march on
Somewhere a mother facing punishing poverty still takes the time to teach her child and still scrapes together the coins she has to send the child to school because she believes a cruel world still has a place for that child's dreams
Let us live by their example
We can acknowledge that oppression will always be with us and still strive for justice
Can admit the intractability of deprivation and still strive for dignity
Clear eyed we can understand that there will be war and still strive for peace
We can do that, because that is the story of human progress
The hope of all the world
And at this moment of challenge that must be our work here on Earth.