Mass UFO Disclosure CNN

[Pharaoh]

Run time: 10:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZuuym9kJ0   Posted on YouTube: October 26, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 23, 2009 By DU Member: Pharaoh Views on DU: 2273

 
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[qazplm]

1. are they real as in unidentified objects?

sure. Are they real as aliens? Nope, no proof yet of that and it is highly unlikely.

[Pharaoh]

2. You watched the whole thing already!

Wow your fast!

[qazplm]

6. no I just apparently

have a little more need for actual evidence than you do. ;)

And anytime Shirley McClaine is one of the folks on the program, I think that hurts credibility just a wee bit.

[Pharaoh]

7. Plenty of actual evidence and info out there

But I'm not going to spoon feed it to you.

I've done my research and seen them myself.

[qazplm]

8. you've seen stuff you cant identify

not necessarily UFOs, but please forgive me if I require a little more than "I've seen them."

People see ghosts, little people, demons, angels...they can give you convincing stories, they can show you weird photographs, and there are even groups of folks who all claim to have seen the same thing.

Should I believe them too, or should I be a wee bit more skeptical?

[Pharaoh]

9. No please believe what you want

but don't try to talk about things you don't know about.

I'm not here to convince you.

[qazplm]

13. oh I'll talk about whatever I like

last time I checked you dont get to determine who posts what. You clearly wanted some discussion on this issue because you started a post on it. Sorry if it isnt all agreeing with you.

[Pharaoh]

17. My point is

It is not my job to convince you or anyone else.

I posted a Larry King Show on a message board that I thought was interesting and relevant.

I do not relish arguing my point with others like some people seem to like to do on this board.

I'm just putting it out there. Just move along if you don't like it.

I could not convince you, you lived on the planet earth if you thought otherwise.

[qazplm]

19. sure you could

because there is evidence of such. You can try and portray me as some close-minded idiot, but the reality is you and those like you are putting forth an extraordinary claim, not only that there are UFOs (which given what the name means is a given) but that those UFOs are alien in nature.

You could convince me, if you had extraordinary evidence. And a larry king show aint gonna do it. It's a series of pretty lights and a few folks who have held government positions in a couple of countries. You don't think that there aren't a few folks in the world, even in governmental positions, even high ranking, who might not always be trustworthy or not a little off?

We had one who was president just recently who seemed pretty crazy to me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. By definition a UFO is an unidentified flying object

does not matter if this is an earthly phenomenon or from the Planet Zenu.

For technical reasons, given OUR CURRENT knowledge, I don't expect them to be from Planet Zenu, but I am open to the POSSIBILITY. Why? Hard to believe we are on the ONLY damn rock with life on it, and more SCIENTIFIC evidence is coming out pointing to this being the height of hilarity. Now crossing the black ocean has its own problems... and why I am open to the possibility, and if they are... trust me, their tech is magic...

Now if they are for real... they can dictate terms... and are on the driver's seat, as doing that requires pretty advanced science and technology that makes us look like oh cavemen.


What is a fact is that four governments have gone full disclosure, five if you add Blue Book.

The other fact is that life out there most likely exists.

And finally, that there is this 5% of UFOs we really cannot explain. Now that does not mean they are from the Planet Zenu, just unexplained ok. But that is the reality of things. And if they are actually about to disclose this as a real phenomena. will be interesting to watch. I know a few in the US will first go to church and then to the armory. This must be the seventh seal and the rapture is upon us... fundies are fundies are fundies after all. Me will take notes.

[qazplm]

18. yes

and if folks said, I saw something but I dont know what it was, I'd be absolutely fine with that.

It's honest, and it's scientific. But when you say, I saw something, dont know what it was, but it clearly must be aliens, and the government has alien stuff at Area 51, you've gone past scientific thinking into fantasy.

Being open to a possibility is one thing. In fact, it is more than possible that alien life exists elsewhere in the universe it is downright probable.

Is it "possible" that aliens with the ability to travel faster than the speed of light come and visit us but do so not with stealth tech (or just not turning on all of their lights) but with brightly lit craft come visit us, abduct us and/or conspire with our government? Almost anything is "possible" but it is very darn unlikely, and such an extraordinary claim requires more than I saw something with lights or someone else says he was in Area 51 and says there are alien ships there.

Height of magic? Then why come here? Why not be able to fly around silently, without being seen?

This wont be "disclosed" as a real phenomena. I remember being a young kid in my late teens at Purdue. I remember reading all sorts of .alt stuff on UFOs in the late 80s, talking about all of the evidence, of the government secrets, or the just around the corner revelations.

To misquote the bad guy from Fifth Element, I've heard this beat before.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. I'll give you a possibity of why they MIGHT be here

and it does not involve annal probes...

The same reason we have sent folks to the ends of the Earth to study primitive peoples.

Now in an ideal anthro scenario you do not pollute your sample... so to me that discounts contact, unless it is accidental. DO you believe these primitives have RADAR? It took them how long?

Of course this is assuming they do science the same way we do...

Now as to going public... well what has changed from the 1980s, yes I read the same stuff including the Chariots of the Gods, oh and my guru was Ortiz not whoever it is in the US... (and Mexico City has had a butt load of these things... why Mexico decided to open files... some of these strange lights started playing cat and mouse with the F4-E during a 16th of September Military Parade, as well as the choppers. That and the lights over the ocean on a patrol by the AF in the South East...well they went public. And their denials became open files for the UFO community. Was it PR? I think so, just like the Blue Book... but they actually opened all.)

So what has changed is that in the 1980s the official stance was... nope, nothing to see here... and now ok let me see what we can find.

As to Area 51... it is real... they have moved it... and all UFOs related to Area 51 have something to do with ... black projects.

:-)

The same goes for Patterson AF Base by the way.

[qazplm]

21. oh I agree Area 51 is real

and I agree it is about black projects...used to be the home of the U2 and SR-71, some of the stealth stuff, and probably something new they are cooking up.

I also have no doubt that most UFO sightings are in fact secret government projects.

Knowing enough science, the technology needed to go FTL is so beyond us, that it is just highly unlikely that they don't have the ability we currently have to defeat RADAR like stealth tech, that they don't have even cloaking technology (which we are just a few decades away from at least being able to use at some level).

I dont believe we have figured out everything, but I do think we have figured out some 101 stuff and it would take a lot of energy to warp spacetime in such a way as to either open up a wormhole or use something like an Alcubierre Drive, like on the order of 3 Solar Masses.

That kind of tech makes me think they might just be able to observe us without getting caught. It makes me also think that they are a lot further above us then we would be above primitive people. It's possible they exist, but I just don't see any evidence of it and the likelihood is low. Heck, we could easily be the first sentient, intelligent life in our galaxy who has reached the technological level we have.

If it takes billions of years to get to our level, we could be the first ones.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Exactly, why if these "people" are for real

and I am putting the sci fi writer hat on at this moment... their science is so far beyond us... that it falls in the category of magic.

And why if for whatever reason this was for real... THEY not us, are in the driver's seat.

Let me see, we can barely scratch our noses and do some cave art...

:-)

Hey I have seen an UFO... and I am proof positive it was the Aurora project.

[superkia]

22. Why is it that when someone has not experienced something...

they cannot open their minds enough to believe it could exist? You mention ghosts, I am not sure what you would call it but what would it be if you saw a doorknob turn and the door open by itself? What if you recorded voices in your home that you could not hear with the human ear? I have experienced these things and cannot tell you what it is but it happened and is real...what would you say it was?

People show their ignorance when they cannot acknowledge that things that others experience and they haven't has to be a hoax or just not possible. Its like how rich people don't think that being poor is an issue and will discredit poor people as lazy because they themselves have not experienced it.

It really shows the ignorance and immaturity of the people in this country.

So are my experiences and some that I know all just lies and lack of mental capacity because YOU have not experienced it?

[Pharaoh]

24. Thank you superkia

O8)

[qazplm]

26. lol

so, your point is, if someone else says they have experienced something, no matter what it is, I have to simply "open my mind" and believe it is possible?

Sorry, that makes little sense whatsoever. Yes, when you present extraordinary claims then you have to present extraordinary evidence. I didn't say they were "lies" but I dont know who you are. I dont know that you dont have mental issues, or that you arent gullible, or that you are seeing phenomena that are easily explainable, or that you are doing what all humans do, seek out patterns, even where they don't exist...like say in static air recordings that you interpret to be "voices"

Or you could simply be lying, but no not going to simply say, ah well something so highly unlikely must be true, because a handful of folks say it so.

[undergroundpanther]

28. scared of the unknown

because it is something they cannot control.

[county worker]

10. There is no real physical evidence!

Anyone who says they can go to see physical evidence is lying.

I challenge anyone to take me to a place where I can see and touch physical evidence of beings from another planet who have visited earth.

[Pharaoh]

11. Area 51

The US Government has some stuff. But as you may have noticed, they are not showing it to us.

Can you see a proton or electron or an atom? Can you see radio waves or Xrays? Yet you believe they exist?

Or don't you?

[qazplm]

12. with the appropriate equipment

yes I can see all of those things. Heck, with the internet I can see an atom, I can see an electron cloud. I can see a nucleus. I can see a proton in a collider. I can certainly see radio waves on an oscilloscope and Xrays I can see too.

Got anything else?

And you've been to Area 51?

[county worker]

15. And Wright Patterson AFB has the remains of Roswell too.

That is an easy thing to say because you don't have to back it up. My challenge stands.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. The conference was held already and the History channel ran it

fascinating for many reasons. But this Larry King special was on 2008

[Pharaoh]

4. that is correct

and the media ignored it.

But it will be coming out in the open very soon. They have been talking at very high levels about it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. The US media will ignore all but a missing white female blond

or a kid in a balloon.

[wroberts189]

16. oh cool... thx knr nt

[Why Syzygy]

25. Can you imagine

what strange creatures they must think we are? If they know about all the deniers and the cover-ups by government entities, they must consider us the most bizarre of intelligences.

[psychopomp]

27. I think this is from 2007

There is reference to a National Press Club gathering of peers in government from seven countries to discuss the UFO phenomenon. This meeting takes place on Monday, November 12th. The thing is that 11.12 isn't on a Monday this year, and hasn't been since 2007.

This is fascinating stuff, though. I recommend "I Know What I Saw," which is a recent documentary with very credible witnesses from various areas of government service. It's available on YouTube.

[Joanne98]

29. I'm a believer. I've seen TWO!