TYT Interviews: Cenk Debates Conservative On Healthcare!

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 16:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKdyjRiUhk   Posted on YouTube: August 01, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 02, 2009 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 2572

 
Summary: Cenk debates Lee Doren of the right wing think Tank the . This is the same guy who put out recent . This debate is incredibly calm and respectful. No shouting, no talking over each other, etc. I'm sure you'll find it refreshing. Basically Cenk clearly explains and defends the Public Option and Lee Doren continually confuses the Public Option and universal coverage. Lee gets flustered at times, but Cenk keeps his cool.

My only complaint is with his comment about the pre-Reagan tax levels, which I don't agree with him on.

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[Turborama]

1. The Competitive Enterprise Institute is funded by Pfizer Inc.

Cross post from the other thread...

So it's no surprise at all that they want to eliminate FDA drug approvals.

They are also funded by the tobacco/petroleum industry and car makers. It wouldn't surprise anyone to hear their thoughts on smoking and global warming, either.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute#Funding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute#Funding

I like the way Cenk started with that question, pretty good ownage throughout. It seems that no matter how wrong he was proved to be, he always had to come up with something to try and prove his point and he had nothing. All he had was the ability to lie/twist the truth to try and prove it. Cenk was killing him with kindness but the only emotions these fools feel is greed, anger and fear. There's no way he'd feel guilty for lying on his corporate masters' behalf - after all, that's what he gets paid to do - and admit that he was wrong.

There's a shill from CEI on part 2 of the mountaintop removal vid I posted, too. Unsurprisingly, he's a rabid global warming denier.

[fascisthunter]

3. why am I not surprise... and he lied that he didn't know where funding comes from

how could you join an organization and not know something that relevant. He's a liar....

[ihavenobias]

15. Thanks.

I linked to sourcewatch in my summary, it's a great site. And I agree, it was a great first question. And I question that the guy didn't know where his org's funding comes from.

[fascisthunter]

2. I like How Lee kept trying to blur the line between universal and a public option

What's so hard for people like him to understand that the system we have no is too expensive and more importantly that people are dying.

[pansypoo53219]

4. i am sorry.

business should be free of health insurance. we can't compete with other countries with socialized medicine. they should have a reasonable tax to pay into the system to cover it. what do companies pay in europe?

[AlbertCat]

22. Indeed...why is your health care inexplicably tied to your employment?

[drm604]

5. Corporate donors.

In regards to Mr. Doren's obfuscations regarding corporate donors, check out the Sourcewatch.org page on CEI.

Since 1991, CEI's budget has grown from less than $1 million to over $ 4 million." David Callahan also noted that although the extent to which conservative think tanks rely on corporate funding support varies widely, CEI and the American Enterprise Institute "have two of the highest levels of corporate support, with both getting roughly 40 percent of their 1996 revenues from corporations."

In its IRS Form 990 for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2004, CEI reported revenues totalling $2,919,537 almost all of which were in the form of contributions from unspecified sources. Its net assets were $1,670,808.

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CEI does not publish a list of its institutional donors. However, in a CEI report sent to Philip Morris, the think tank identified a range of companies and foundations as having given $10,000 or more. Contributors included:

* Aequus Institute
* Amoco Foundation, Inc.
* Coca-Cola Company, contributions were $25,000 per annum for the period 1991-1995;
* E.L. Craig Foundation
* CSX Corporation
* Fieldstead and Co.
* FMC Foundation
* Ford Motor Company Fund
* Curtis and Edith Munson Foundation
* Philip Morris Companies, Inc.
* Pfizer Inc.
* Precision Valve Corporation
* Prince Foundation
* Sheldon Rose
* Texaco, Inc.
* Texaco Foundation
* Alex C. Walker Foundation

In a 2006 profile of CEI and other global warming skeptics, Washington Post reporter Joel Achenbach noted that "the most generous sponsors" of CEI's 2005 annual dinner were "the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Exxon Mobil, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, and Pfizer. Other contributors included General Motors, the American Petroleum Institute, the American Plastics Council, the Chlorine Chemistry Council and Arch Coal."

[Pharaoh]

6. I don't want the public option!

I want universal health care!

Screw these corporations,

[20score]

7. K&R

[ejbr]

8. k & r n/t

[eomer]

9. Cenk does a great job, but he's wrong about one thing.

He said that the public option would have an added expense due to eliminating the pre-existing condition exclusion and that the private options would not have this added expense. He said the public option would make up for this disadvantage by being more efficient in other ways.

But that is not correct -- the private options will also be required to eliminate the pre-existing condition exclusion, under all of the proposals on the table. It has to be that way because otherwise the private options would get all the healthy people and all the unhealthy people would get dumped into the public option.

But, like I said, Cenk did a great job like he always does. He is really good at explaining things and doing it patiently. And he tends to be a very careful and accurate source of information. I guess he had to make one teensy slip up eventually.

[pundaint]

10. Healthcare shouldn't be free-market

As any Marketing 101 student knows, price setting in a free market is about maximizing profit, not market penetration. If we allow the free market approach to persist we are necessarily choosing to deny healthcare to a substantial portion of the citizenry. In order to promote free markets we allow the degradation of our environment, the adulteration of our food supplies, and the imposition of stress all deleterious to human health. We humans say to the free market, you broke us, now you fix us! What is supposed to be serving who here, anyway?

[midnight]

11. This is a bit confusing for me still. The Public vs the Universal

are different. But exactly how? Public option-no added burden to the tax payer? Universal-added tax burden? Which one of these options is more like medicare and or Vetereans care?

Seems like Lee's argument that employeres will be thrown at public option is concerning for him, but can't figure out why he cares?

What I would love to ask is how he feels that the cost of this war has been thrown at the tax payers. Or if it is alright that the rich bankers have thrown their financial burnens at us, and if that is alright too.

[sasquuatch55]

14. To answer your question: Single payer is like Medicare and VA care.

As I understand it.

[ihavenobias]

17. You can have universal coverage but still maintain the broken for-profit system.

Universal coverage just means that everyone is covered, so technically everyone could be covered by private insurance companies and we'd have "universal healthcare" (really universal insurance).

What we REALLY need is a Single Payer system with universal coverage. Under that system, everyone would be covered by a Single Payer, i.e. the government rather than a bunch of different private insurance companies, at least for the important basics. People could still choose private insurance for additional coverage, like if they wanted a private room in the hospital, etc.

[JDPriestly]

12. Over and over. Conservative = rigid approach.

They aren't really "conservative," they are really rigid. I saw that in a Greenspan clip this morning also. They apply a belief system to a situation as they see it and then draw a conclusion. Liberals look at a situation from all angles and try to find a creative solution or solutions. That's why conservatives can't solve problems. Their belief system limits the number of solutions that they can accept.

[matthewf]

13. k&r

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16. k & r

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[spiritual_gunfighter]

18. That wasn't Cenk debating a conservative on healthcare

That was Cenk schooling a guy that doesn't know the difference between the public option and universal healthcare. That was the best they could do? As Cenk would say "that guy brought the weak sauce".

[ihavenobias]

20. I was trying to be fair.

;)

[Seldona]

19. K&R

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[FiveGoodMen]

21. K&(too-late-for)R