7/13 Olbermann/Turley on AG Holder's Banzai Plant Special Prosecutor

[travelingtypist]

Run time: 06:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdZscU36nXI   Posted on YouTube: July 14, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 14, 2009 By DU Member: travelingtypist Views on DU: 1434

 
Good line.

I know people here don't like Turley when he gets down on the Obama administration, but I think we still need him.

[MarjorieG]

1. Legal opinion one thing, but political judgments unwanted. With Climate and Health legislation,

media not paying attention, they'd love an easy emotional, righteous issue to stoke. GOP would also love distraction from governing. Can we please get past this calendar year?

That's why a John Dean or Tribe make better guests and experts.

[vaberella]

2. I find Turley even more horrible in this video.

This man just lambasted Eric Holder based on an op-ed piece and he has no personal info about. I find Turley worthless and just a raving negative machine that hates the O administration.

[Piewhacket]

3. Turley seems right on to me. Holder is playing a dangerous POLITICAL game

and playing it very badly. He's supposed to be the chief
law enforcement officer of the US and he isn't doing his
job. He should be investigating and prosecuting the crimes
which have OBVIOUSLY occured. Its SO OBVIOUS he is actually
OBSTRUCTING such investigations, so a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR seems
necessary.

Obama OTOH IS also playing heavy politics, which actually IS his job. But after
health care and a few other things he better sort this out and
CLUSTERFUCK some BUSHCO criminals and restore the rule of law or
he won't be getting MY SUPPORT in the next next election cycle. IOW He's starting
to look like a sucking republican to me, and he ain't much good to me
like that. !

As for your complaint about Turley, who is consistent over the 15 years
I've followed him (and I haven't always liked what he had to say), but this time
he is dead right and I would appreciate you not provoking me
by making such brainless remarks in future, since I am under strict
medical and legal advice not to be calling people on the internet brain-
damaged idiots even when they act like it.
Thank you for your future consideration.

[Oilwellian]

17. I totally agree with you

and can't begin to express the rage I feel for Obama's unwillingness (so far) to address the crimes we've committed against the Iraqi people. I will never feel pride in my country again until that is done. Turley is correct to lambaste Obama & Holder for their lack of action against those who have committed the despicable crimes we're all aware of at this point. The scream of that young boy described by Seymour Hersh, will remain in my head until those responsible for his rape (and the rape of many other children) are charged and convicted.

[ShamelessHussy]

4. the zealots on either side are not only tiresome but what always holds progress back

That's how i know i am not simply the mirror image of a freeper and i am always on guard against it. Fortunately JT appears to not be a zealot either and simply calls them how he sees them.

Keith O sure got an eye for talent!

[bluestateboomer]

5. I find myself agreeing with Turley.

Day by day we squander whatever remained of our moral high ground. I know we have had our past hypocrisies, but at least we paid some lip service to human rights and the law. The eight years of Bush crimes have trashed our constitutional structure and and abrogated our treaty obligations and the new administration doesn't see that as a problem.

BTW, as a picky, off topic point, the term for a small plant that is trained to grow as a miniature version of the large plant is a "BONSAI". Banzai is the group Japanese cheer.

[travelingtypist]

6. Oops.

:blush:

Bonsai.

Thanks.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. K&R. I agree with Turley because he's the law expert...

Though it seems like a no brainer to me... Enforce the law?! Hmmm... :dilemma:

And I did enjoy the Sgt. Schultz line... ;-)

[Grinchie]

8. Turley is right, we are becoming more than Cynical

Actually, I think the White House is starting to get scared that it may have tried to get away with too much, and is now attempting damage control.

It won't work with those of us that are paying attention. Obama and his reheated Clinton administration can go take a Hike. His coziness with the DLC makes me sick, and the giveaways to the Corporations is criminal.

I'm not the only one who feels betrayed by Obama, and I respect KO and Bill Maher when that start pointing out the obvious. Even John Stewart is getting fed up.

Obama's appointment od Michael Taylor to the USDA last week was absolutely the biggest slap in the face to the American Public of any president in decades.

Proof positive that he's sold out to the Corporations and the DLC.

[lamp_shade]

9. Turley may be smart, but he has no idea the cards Holder is holding.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

10. Torture is and has always been

an unmitigated humanitarian disaster. A special prosecutor would be welcome news throughout the world.

[Demeter]

11. I Think Obama Lacks Moral Clarity

His AG is compromised, should be dismissed, replaced and put under investigation along with all the Bushites war criminals.

We have to stop doing wrong if we want things to go right for us.

[greiner3]

12. I'll still give Obama 2 years to put into place;

The policies he deems correct. I have to believe that Obama is navigating mine fields in many areas and has the country's best plans at heart. If not, I'll move to Brazil.

[Krashkopf]

13. Turley is SPOT ON

There are no logical, or moral, arguments against Turley's position. Opposition to him is based on one of two things: political expediency, from people like MarjorieG, and thoughtless rants by people like Vabarella.

Majorie, "moral clarity" and "Fidelity to the rule of law" are MORE IMPORTANT to who we are as a People, and a Nation, than any legislative agenda.

Vabarella, Turley does not hate the Obama Administration, and neither do I, BUT, we do expect it - and ALL Presidential Administrations - to adhere to THE CONSTITUTION and THE RULE OF LAW.

If it was WRONG for the Bush Administration to commit war crimes - and I think we all can agree that it was - it is JUST AS WRONG for the Obama Administration to COVER UP those war crimes.

Sorry that's just the plain, honest TRUTH.

[rateyes]

14. Turley is correct. If a special prosecutor is not allowed to investigate

everyone involved in authorizing torture (AG Holder, you said waterboarding is torture) then that's worse than having no special prosecutor. Letting the lawyers who wrote the legal opinions along with Bush and Cheney and their minions in the administration off the hook while going after the "extreme torturers" (torture is torture) is morally and ethically repugnant. It is also an act of political cowardice.

[florida08]

15. I agree

We need Tuley. Although I think his assessment of the party of Lincoln may be a bit presumptuous. Found some info on the Clinton era of rendition.

2005

"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy Al Qaeda," Mr Scheuer said,a 22-year veteran of the CIA.

"We asked the president what we should do with the people we capture. Clinton said 'That's up to you'."

Mr Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit that tracked Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, says he developed and led the "renditions" program.

He says the program includes moving prisoners without due legal process to countries without strict human rights protections.

"In Cairo, people are not treated like they are in Milwaukee," he said.

"The Clinton administration asked us if we believed that the prisoners were being treated in accordance with local law.

"And we answered, 'yes, we're fairly sure'."

He says at the time the CIA did not arrest or imprison anyone itself.

"That was done by the local police or secret services," he said, adding the prisoners were never taken to US soil.

"President Clinton did not want that," he said.

Bush changes

He says the program changed under Mr Clinton's successor, President George W Bush, after the attacks of September 11, 2001.

"We started putting people in our own institutions - in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo," he said.

"The Bush administration wanted to capture people itself but made the same mistake as the Clinton administration by not treating these people as prisoners of war."

He accused Europeans of being hypocritical in criticising the US administration for its anti-terrorism tactics while benefiting from them.

"All the information we received from interrogations and documents, everything that had to do with Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England was passed on," he said.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11404.htm

[Senator]

19. Careful with this. Anything Scheuer says has a good chance...

...of being http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/michael-scheuer-fox-americas-only-ho">more disinfo than info.

The "Clinton did it too!" meme is just more wingnut rubbish.

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[florida08]

20. very sage advice

It honestly didn't click..but it does now..and thankyou

[Senator]

16. Sgt. Schultz's "I see nothing." has just been updated...

...to "look away forward" when it comes to bushcheney war crimes.

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[FLAprogressive]

18. Surprised the "Throw Turley Under the Bus" crowd isn't here yet.