Dean refutes every GOP talking point given by Norah O about health care.

[madfloridian]

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I earlier posted just the last minute or so of this interview, but here is the entire interview. Dean and Norah's part starts about two minutes in.

Crooks and Liars covers this well. They list the GOP talking points she uses. They have some quotes from his criticism of Kent Conrad's co-op plan for health care.

Howard Dean Shoots Down Norah O'Donnell's Republican Talking Points on Health Care

Howard Dean does a great job on MSNBC shooting down every Republican talking point on health care reform that Norah O'Donnell throws at him. Here are the questions she asked him.

* Is a public option a stalking horse for this government control?
* Doctors don't support this plan--then proceeds to read a quote that doesn't say doctors are against a public plan.
* Medicare and Medicaid waste money.
* Doctors don't like it because they only get 80% of what they would under private insurance plans.
* How do you stop employers from dropping employees from their coverage?

Then they posted some of his response on the issue of co-ops.

As Think Progress noted, Dean also did a good job of explaining why Kent Conrad's co-op proposal is a really bad idea and won't work:

"He’s wrong about this. The co-ops are too small to compete with the big, private insurance companies. They will kill the co-ops completely by undercutting them, using their financial clout to do it. In the small states like mine and like Senator Conrad’s, you’re never gonna get to the 500,000 number signed up in the co-op that you need to in order for them to have any marketing .

This is a compromise designed to deal with problems in the Senate. But it doesn’t deal with problems in America. And I think it’s time for the Senate to stop playing politics, do what has to be done. … If the Republicans don’t want to get on board, then we can do this without the Republicans.?

The Senate is too fearful to use the majority they have. They need to get over it.

[msongs]

1. doh! howard is a physician. he has more credibility than any washington elected dems (unless

there are any other elected dems who are physicians).

Msongs

[Hulk]

2. We need a thousand more Howard Deans hitting the airwaves until this gets done.

Dr. Dean is the best. No spin, no bull shit. I'd LOVE to see him in a debate with mitch and the rest of his lame bloodhound repukes.

Now or never folks!! Get behind this thing and push hard!!

[madfloridian]

4. He was all over the TV today. He was super on Rachel's show tonight.

Good to see him speaking out.

[DaLittle Kitty]

31. Here is the LINK to the DEBATE Between John RussellARNP and David McKalipMD On Health Care Reform

John Russell is an Acute Care Nurse Practitioner and 2006-2008 Democratic Nominee in Florida's 5th Congressional District. John has been a firm advocate for a National Single Payor Health Care Plan for the past six years.

David McKalip, M.D. is a Neuro-Surgeon from St. Petersburg a strident opponent of proposed Health Reform that includes single payor or the public health option. Dr. McKalip is a BIG fan of Ayn Rand! :puke:

This is good. John really takes the Brain Surgeon to task and stands strong for the public option, Single Payer Plan ya know!!!

http://sound.wmnf.org/sound/wmnf_090618_130500_radioact...

[DirtyDawg]

3. Most of the Doctors/Pols are Repugs

You see when you're in it for the money, and you decide you've made all the money you're likely to get playing Doctor, then you turn to politics. That way you can collect money from big pharma, and the AMA, and the insurance companies rather than pay them money...see? Dr. Dean isn't in it for the money, the man just wants to do some good. I mean when this c**t mentioned that 'those poor Doctors only get 80% when they take on a Medicare patient' (my emphasis)...Howard should have said, 'So now you know why the AMA is against the public option/competition, their members stand to make closer to what the services are worth...even if it's a little less. That's what competition means, the price you pay is closer and closer to the actual costs, not just what they can con us out of through price-fixing'. I mean just what does this beeatch think this is all about - the money charged for medical services, medical insurance, drugs, etc., is way more than the rest of the world pays and we get markedly less - if we get anything at all. That's what we're talking about lady.

[shellgame26]

5. Howard Dean

is a true American hero! He knocked off those talking points effortlessly with that sharp mind of his.

And I'm glad that he's pointing out that this is a CHOICE. If Obama were to propose single-payer only just imagine the shitstorm he'd be up against with the GOP dimwits who are hell-bent on fighting this. HEll look at the shitstorm he's facing now!

[Cowpunk]

27. Grand F-ing Slam! That's leadership. NT

[proud patriot]

32. Bingo

I luv me some Howard Dean :loveya:

[usregimechange]

6. k/r

[Triana]

7. "The Senate is too fearful to use the majority they have. They need to get over it. "

Exactly.

[bjobotts]

13. Private ins is throwing Billions at the seante to prevent public option or single payer...WHY

[destes]

16. That's the question.

What purpose is served by throwing billions in ready cash, profits already on hand, at politicians to thwart the obvious will and legitimate need of the people?

Hell, a billion dollars is a lot of money. Right? Well what people need to wrap their minds around is the fact that insurance companies receive over $1 trillion in premiums every year. This, while leaving 50 million uninsured and excluding the vast majority of seniors who are shunted off to Medicare at age 65.

Statistically our health care costs are about double the cost of government run, not-for-profit programs like Canada's. That means..........(is everyone sitting down?) that even with my admittedly rough and intentionally conservative figures, the insurance industry rakes in at least $500 billion every year in after-expense, net, clear, unencumbered PROFIT to enrich it's investors. Every year, for how many years? 40 more or less? Since WWII? About half a century.

Is this a gravy train or what? It's better than than a flock of golden geese. The premiums are paid whether business is good or not. Feast or famine, war or peace, democrat or republican, the premiums keep coming in. From their point of view, buying the senate is chicken feed if it protects this system, this scam. So what if every 20 years or so they have to pony up a few billions to stave off the threat of reform.

Just what does the management of, say, Aetna do, exactly? What is that person's primary focus? Why, it's to prevent change to the system! Every day, day in and day out, the focus of health insurance management is to minimize costs and maximize profits. Minimize service to maximize the part of those trillions in premiums that they keep. Keep those premiums coming in to cover their gambling losses (derivatives are so frivolous). They use the, too-stupid-to-ask-a-pertinent-question, MSM news orgs. as their ad-men to polish and circulate the propaganda. Propaganda that ridicules the loudest voices of dissent, voices that merely state the facts, the obvious. Hell, they own the MSM. That's why there are so many misinformed Americans.

The scope of this issue is huge! Trying to get the single payer option, essentially eliminating this "income funnel" alters our national and, by extension, the worlds's economy. Those that stand to lose their place at the udders of this cash cow have generated tremendous power over those who legislate. They've become like "family".

When the facts are known there's simply no question about what's best for America, for people as well as for the economy at large. But these POWERFUL PEOPLE, people that make the ancient Roman elite look like conscientious stewards, stand to really get their feathers ruffled if the system changes. If they no longer have those trillions coming in how could they afford to invest in weaponry or "clean coal" or Florida off-shore drilling or cornering the renewable energy producer market.

This is the 21st century court of Louis 14th, our version of the Mandarin Dynasty or Czarist Russia. It is very difficult to get the ear of our "representatives" when they're places at "court" are at risk. What would their spouses think? their children? what of THEIR personal dynasties?

[democracy1st]

8. thanks mad great post very good info

[bjobotts]

9. I get the same wait time if I have Medicare or Blue Cross.

[bjobotts]

10. Medicare is a deficit because it only covers elderly and disabled.Not so If anyone can buy into it

[bjobotts]

11. The AMA does not represent Drs.Only 25%.Majority of Drs. want single payer

[bjobotts]

12. William McGuire CEO got $1.7 BILLION salary package by denying coverage

[Selatius]

14. The problem with the US Senate is that it is poisoned by lobbyist money from special interests.

They got the money. They set the agenda. It has poisoned Democrats to such a degree that they are log-jammed. Republicans, on the other hand, are animated by the cash. It gives them a purpose: To follow the dictates of the business world.

[snot]

15. Thank goddess for Dr. Dean. Anyone know where I cd send a thank-you ltr?

If he were running for something, I'd contribute.

[PassingFair]

20. Contribute to Democracy for America or...

www.standwithdrdean.com

[tclambert]

17. Her questions 3 and 4 contradict each other.

3) Medicare and Medicaid waste money.
4) Doctors don't like it (Medicare) because they only get 80% of what they would under private insurance plans.

#4 implies that private insurance wastes money. And, boy howdy, is that ever true.

And as far as bureaucrats telling doctors what to do . . . well, you'll have to excuse me--I'm on hold with my insurance company trying to find out if they will approve a minor procedure my doctor says I need.

[quidam56]

18. We MUST have health care reform this year,

We MUST have health care reform this year. As a former health care giver, I am sad to see Profit Care is now more important than Patient Care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 In East Tennessee and southwest Virginia what the heath care system is selling is nothing at all like what really is their "acceptable standards " on public record in Greeneville, TN Federal Court, cases no. 2:04-cv-375. Apparently it's legal to lie about health care and legal to run false and misleading advertising about health care in TN & VA.

[underpants]

19. So we have to work/talk within how Republicans want to frame the issue?

I thought elections had consequences

[Wednesdays]

21. K&R

:kick:

[madfloridian]

22. Kick

[ihavenobias]

23. Kick. How did I miss this? Good link to Crooks & Liars. n/t

[angstlessk]

24. I gotta kick this up .. if I have not seen it yet, maybe other folks ain't neither

if I can rec it..if not too late, I will do that too!

[YewNork]

25. What an excellent speaker. He summarizes it perfectly.

[tooeyeten]

26. Dean was brilliant

Norah isn't.

[Stuart G]

28. Outstanding...video...all should watch...nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

29. I wish he had a more significant voice in the President's policy-making.

I don't suppose I'd be in full agreement with either of them on every issue, but Mr Dean seems to be less politically intimidated by the Republicans and their favourite sons in banking and commerce.

Maybe Obama would finesse them in due course, but "due course" may be too long to wait, not only for too many of the majority of individuals and their families, but for the nation. And he could end up sharing the blame with the Republicans, as a result of cosying up to them, instead of sorting them out like Christ in the Temple with the money-lenders. Not an all together inapt simile. I could see Dean sitting down and quietly fashioning a whip to scourge the "rogue elephant"; not from personal animus; we know they just think the truth is Hell - to paraphrase Truman.

[Joe Chi Minh]

30. It was hilarious to hear Dean turn round the right-wingers'

duplicitous mantra of "free choice". You know, normally, it's staying at the Ritz or sleeping under a bridge.

This time, it's sleeping under a bridge by courtesy of insurance funding, or staying at the Ritz by courtesy of public funding! Ironical in the extreme. Very, very naughty, to hoist them with their own petard in such an outrageous manner, my man!