Boehner: "Lying to congress is a crime."

[L. Coyote]

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WOW! I wasn't expecting such quick support from the Minority leader!

Will Porter Goss be prosecuted for lying to Congress?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5671623

[ejpoeta]

1. great!!! bush lied to congress.... so.... what are you going to do about it!

[Titonwan]

9. Ha Ha! Exactly

the first thought that came to my mind! We wouldn't BE in Iraq (or Afghanistan) if Bush's administration wasn't fabricating lies to Congress.
I say we enforce what Bonehead's suggesting! Send Bush (et alia) to PRISON!

[MADem]

2. Looks like Bonehead has toned it down on the MAN TAN, doesn't it?

Guess that "person of color that -- does not appear in nature" dig at the Correspondent's Dinner got to him! You can see more of his English Cigarette Habit's smoker's wrinkles now, too!

[indepat]

3. What an effing duplicitous reichous hypocrite

:P

[BlueJac]

4. Dems are getting what they deserve....

sitting back and letting criminals run free is starting to backfire on them. The media will side with the Repugs and spread bullshit 2 feet deep.

[Wizard777]

5. It's only a crime to lie to Congress about Sex and Steroids. Anything else they want to be lied to.

In fact they would probably jail you for NOT lying to them. There have been so many lies floated through Congress for so long. The truth would give them all Toxic Shock Syndrome.

[soupkitchen]

6. That a moron like Boehner is in Congress is the crime

[90-percent]

12. Boehner

Hey, Boehner looks like Issac Newton compared to mental midget bat shit crazy Michelle Bachmann.

I do hope Michelle gets a show on Rupert Murdoch's new 24 hour Cheney Network*!

-90% Jimmy

*there is of course no such thing. A lib can dream, can't they?

[underpants]

7. Two obvious points- 1. how can she "prove" this? she can't 2. Can Boner provide proof ....

that they have done a "marvelous job"? Seems to me that his leader Bush (and Cheney) blamed the CIA for 9/11 AND "bad intelligence" on Iraq

[libodem]

8. Oh Bonehead

You should be ashamed of yourself and stop carrying water for Darth. My God, how much did Gonzales say he couldn't remember? Rove and Harriett Meier have thumbed their noses at congress. KBR's Prince, lied his ass off. Congress has been a withering pansy in the face of Bush criminal enterprises. We might as well have had Tony Soprano, and his mafia gang running things for all the truth and honesty we had in the last regime. Good God, man get off your high horse. And do something with that pasty skin!

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

10. Hey Boehner

Like everyone else here, I ask where were you when Bush lied to Congress?



I don't know which is worse, living in your district or living in mine.

[rschop]

11. Boehner: "Lying to Congress is a crime?"

Pelosi has hosted herself on a petard of her own making. She and the rest of the US Congress had known that the CIA had lied to Congress for years, and let them get away with it with no retribution. The most obvious example of this are the attacks on 9/11. It is now clear from the record that the CIA knew about Mihdhar and Hazmi 21 months before September 11, 2001, but never gave this information to the FBI until August 23, 2001, when it was almost too late to find them. The Congress even knew that at that point when this information was sent over to the FBI, that the CIA had then forced the shutdown of FBI investigations that could have found Mihdhar and Hazmi in time to prevent the attacks on 9/11, in effect intentionally allowing the attacks on 9/11 to take place that killed almost 3000 people.

She and Congress then knew that the CIA lied about this to not only Congress but the 9/11 Commission set up by Congress, to hide their culpability in the attacks on 9/11, a fact that must have been an open secret in Washington DC for years. So now when the CIA has lied yet once again, she is stuck with the monster she and the rest of the US Congress has created

[L. Coyote]

16. dKos: Lying to Congress is a Crime

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/18/732745/-Lying-to-Congress-is-a-Crime

[rschop]

28. When is lying to Congress is a crime?

Thanks L. Coyote, the information on exactly what is a crime is telling, GOOD POST!

[Necon-Be-Gone]

13. Porter Goss Director of CIA

On March 17th, 2005 he testified to the Senate Arms Committee - “I can assure you that I know of no instances where the intelligence community is outside the law on this,” Goss said. “And I know for a fact that torture is not productive. That’s not professional interrogation. We don’t do torture.”

So who is lying Boehner? You are!

[ellenfl]

14. seems to me that the republicans doubted the

intelligence communities veracity back when they were trying to discredit the cia, fbi, et al, because bushco wanted to invade iraq. do as i say not as i do?

ellen fl

[Necon-Be-Gone]

15. How do you define torture?

CIA Director Porter Goss, clarifying the torture issue (Nov 2005) with Charlie Gibson on ABC News:

“GIBSON: How do you define it?

GOSS: Well, I define torture probably the way most people would — in the eye of the beholder.”

[L. Coyote]

17. It matters not how you, I, or Goss define torture. The law is above the person

in regard to defining what is criminal.

The criminal does not get the final word on what is a crime!

But hey, let's ask St. Ron.(from http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/18/732745/-Lying-to-Congress-is-a-Crime)

UN Convention on Torture from 1984
Pres. Ronald Reagan on torture prosecution, signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:

"The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution."

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Reagan's DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff For Waterboarding Prisoners
by Jason Leopold - 21 April 2009 - http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/854-reagans-doj-prosecuted-texas-sheriff-for-waterboarding-prisoners.html

George W. Bush’s Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near-drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn’t even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.

Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case – which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later – was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.

The failure to cite the earlier waterboarding case and a half-dozen other precedents that dealt with torture is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources say faults former Bush administration lawyers – Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Steven Bradbury – for violating "professional standards."

"To take one example, there was a court-martial addressing the practice of waterboarding from 1903, a state court case from the Twenties, a series of prosecutions at the Tokyo Tribunal (in many of which the death penalty was sought) and another court-martial in 1968," Scott Horton

The TX case went to the Appeals court, and their decision repeatedly refers to the practice as torture.

[RoccoR5955]

18. Boner should STFU because he has been lying all along. n/t

[bdamomma]

19. yea, Boehner should know all about lying, he worked for

the thugs.

[Grinchie]

20. That's why the Republicans can't recall anything, or say anything relating to any matters

That affect policy.

Their teams of Lawyers have trained them well.

[bc3000]

21. I agree with Boehner!!!

I can't believe I am agreeing with Boehner on anything, but he is right in this case. Pelosi needs to put up or shut up (and resign).

Lying to Congress is a crime. Let's see it investigated.

[Tx4obama]

23. This is America

Pelosi is innocent until proven guilty.
The republicans are making a diversion to blur the fact that THEY authorized TORTURE.
If you think that the CIA never lies, doesn't fudge on their documents, and doesn't always tell the whole truth, then you are naive.

[L. Coyote]

27. I assume you can point out a lie by Pelosi??

Just one even, please, if you can.
It is easy to yell LIAR without pointing to a specific lie!

[greiner3]

22. I really don't want to know;

however, what is faux going to do with him on the couch? Psychoanalyze him or sex him?

[RedCloud]

24. Why does Boner always have a shit eating grin?

It looks like he is chuckling to himself as he makes his shit up.

CIA does not permit note taking or recording devices whn they "inform". Thanks to repugs they operate that way.

[rschop]

26. For Christs sake, this was a Republican trap

In case someone has not been clued in, the briefings between the CIA and Democratic leaders of the House and Senate were a trap set by the Bush administration. No notes or staff were allowed and the briefings were very bland but the CIA and administration could go back years later and say all of this information had been presented at these briefings, when no one who attended these briefings other the CIA briefers had any notes at all to prove otherwise. And Pelosi fell for it, hook, line and sinker! I thought she was suppose to be a politician.

[rschop]

25. Lying to congress is a crime

But Boehner, both Cofer Black and George Tenet told the Joint Inquiry Committee of the House and the Senate, that the CIA had given the FBI information on the Kuala Lumpur meetings, that were attended by Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Walid bin Attash, the master mind of the Cole bombing from day one. This was the al Qaeda planning meeting where these three al Qaeda terrorists plus many other al Qaeda terrorists planned the attacks on 9/11 and the Cole bombing. But the Joint Inquiry Committee of the House and Senate could find absolutely no documents backing this up and came to the conclusion both that Black and Tenet has deliberately lied to Congress over this information about the attacks on 9/11.

At the 9/11 Commission hearing on April 14, 2004, George Tenet said, “I did not tell the president in August 2001 when I knew a huge al Qaeda attacks was about to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans because the President was in Crawford, Texas and I, George Tenet, Director of the CIA, was in Washington DC”. When asked if he had used a telephone to call the president to urgently warn him and the rest of the United States of this huge attacks he said I had not called the President and could not go beyond this explanation.

But Bill Harlow, spokesman for the CIA, said right after Tenet’s testimony that Tenet had lied to the 9/11 Commission several times, and said Tenet had flown down to Crawford, Texas on August 17, 2001 and again saw the President on August 30, 2001 in Washington DC. NOTE: Even Harlow and left out Tenet’s trip to Crawford, Texas for an urgent meeting with the President on August 24, 2001 when Tenet knew on August 23, 2001, that Moussaoui had been arrested because the FBI thought he was connected to al Qaeda and was learning to fly a 747 in order to attack the World Trade Center Towers with hijacked aircraft, and also found out on August 23, 2001 that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US preparing to take part in a huge al Qaeda attack that he and the CIA knew would kill thousands of Americans. But the 9/11 Commission was set up by Congress and so lying to the 9/11 Commission is the same as lying to Congress.

So Boehner, and the other Republican Congress persons who have called lying by Pelosi a crime, there you are, iron clad examples of CIA officials lying to Congress, that you yourself said was a crime. So rush down to the US attorney’s office and have them get started immediately prosecuting these crimes that covered up why the CIA had intentionally allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

[iamthebandfanman]

29. lol, they are really digging themselves a hole

and the whole while think they are actually winning an argument... when really the question and subject is about to get switched on them...


sure, investigations for everybody.... i totally agree lying to congress is a crime, as is the american people id say ;)


make it easier to prosecute ur dirty friends ;)