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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 07:44 PM
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TYT: Ana Spontaneously Argues With Cenk, Disagrees Drugs Should Be Legalized
 
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:05 PM
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1. I have to agree with Cenk. It is win/win with legalization.
I wasn't aware Ana had a bit of a libertarian streak in her. "The government is evil."

Ahh youth...

lol
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:11 PM
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3. I think Ana's line there was just some hyperbole.
Kind of like Cenk's line at the end about still being in favor even in the event of a massive increase in addicts.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:51 PM
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8. I agree.
I wasn't ripping on Ana. Quite the opposite in fact. It's more a fond remembrance of someone I used to know.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:15 PM
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10. Take out marijuana "addicts" and there really aren't that many hard drug addicts.
At least relative to nicotine, alcohol and prescription drug addicts.

A 50% increase sounds massive, but what number does it actually represent?
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:20 PM
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11. I was never so shocked as when my Mother said in the 70's that drugs
should be legalized and for these same reasons. She was ahead of her time.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:10 PM
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2. The "keep it illegal crowd" don't have a leg to stand on. It's just reactionary, not logical. Here's
a video that sums it up rather nicely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlR0JrNOKIg
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:12 PM
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4. TOTALLY agree w/ Cenk.
Yeah, there are some sticky points about how involved the US gov't wants to be involved with distribution of some of those drugs. Not sure about the logistics, but...

* Get rid of the DEA and its budget

* Get rid of searching houses because someone gave an anonymous tip

* Use tax money (lots less than we spend now) on research and PSAs regarding the effects of some of those drugs

* Stop the violence which (as Cenk pointed out) is just like what we got from alcohol's prohibition

* I'm having trouble with this last point ... wait I had it a minute ago ... shoot ... Land of the ... Land of the ... somebody help me out here
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:21 PM
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5. K&R
:kick:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:26 PM
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6. K&R Legalize it.
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proud progressive Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:49 PM
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7. ABSOLUTELY!! most of us are too lazy to research this BUT it's common sense
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:08 PM
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9. I'd be 100% on board if it weren't for meth
I know it makes me a hypocrite, but I don't want to see anyone else addicted to meth.

IMO legalizing Cannabis should be the testbed for a few years before hard drugs are included.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:11 AM
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13. I have to admit that I've had similar thoughts
But what are the underlying causes of the growth in the use of meth? Is it because it's easy to make using widely available prescription drugs, making it a kind of narcotic moonshine? If so, the same thing could happen to meth as happened to moonshine if there was the legalization of all cannabinoids, opiates, coca derivatives and any other narcotics that are derived from plants such as mushrooms.

MDMA, amphetamines, lsd and all the other synthetic drugs possibly need to be looked at separately, in my opinion.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 12:58 AM
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12. Ana asked if there are any "medicines made from heroin".
I could be wrong, but isn't morphine widely used as a pain reliever for cancer sufferers?

It looks like if she does a little more studying she could come to a similar conclusion as Cenk.

K&R
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 04:09 AM
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17. Actually herion is used in United Kingdom as a pain killer. You can function using herion
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 04:10 AM by Lochloosa
unlike morphine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Medical_use

Medical use
Under the name diamorphine, diacetylmorphine is prescribed as a strong analgesic in the United Kingdom, where it is given via subcutaneous, intramuscular or intravenous route. Its use includes treatment for acute pain, such as in severe trauma, myocardial infarction, and following surgery, and chronic pain, including in cancer. In other countries it is more common to use morphine or other strong opioids in these situations.

In 2005, there was a shortage of diamorphine in the UK, due to a problem at the main UK manufacturers.<12> Due to this, many hospitals changed to using morphine instead of diamorphine. Although there is no longer a problem with its manufacture, many hospitals have continued to use morphine.

Diamorphine is continued to be widely used in palliative care in the United Kingdom, where it is commonly given by the subcutaneous route, often via a syringe driver, if patients could not easily swallow oral morphine solution. The advantage of diamorphine over morphine is that diamorphine is more soluble and smaller volumes of diamorphine are needed for the same analgesic effect. Both of these factors are advantageous if giving high doses of opioids via the subcutaneous route, which is often necessary in palliative care.

The medical use of diamorphine (in common with other strong opioids such as morphine, fentanyl and oxycodone) is controlled in the United Kingdom by the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. It is a schedule 2 controlled drug, and registers of its use are required to be kept in hospitals, and prescriptions for its use must be written with the form and strength of the preparation, and quantity stated in both words and figures.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:43 AM
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14. Exactly the control of drugs comes through its legalization. It can be cautioned and then>
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 01:44 AM by cooolandrew
warned that the drug is legal but any crimes under their use will be prosecuted. Now selling it to America as a whole that is the thing. it has to be a mass consensus before Barack would touch it, that probably take a lot of time probably not during his presidency even. Just a reality but it's worthwhile to keep having that debate.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:53 AM
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15. See you could make it safer and more regulated. It's stopping the gang crime that's the first focus.
I dislike drugs immensely but the sense of this decision is undeniable. Not my original idea though first heard it from an exper on thejefffariswhow.com
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Liberal_Christian Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 02:18 AM
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16. Prohibition, Prohibition, Prohibition, Prohibition, Prohibition, Prohibition, Prohibition,
DIDN'T WORK!!!!!!!

Prohibition=War on Drugs

Coming from someone who doesn't do drugs or drink alcohol (don't ask) even I think they should be legalized and heavily regulated. First off, look at the domestic and international violence caused NOT by drugs but by the BLACK MARKET for illegal drugs. Taking drug demand away from people like the international drug cartels and domestic gangs/organized crime syndicate is like removing the "demand" aspect from commerce; the "supply" will shortly follow and they'll be left with a fraction of what they have to use for extortion GREATLY reducing crime. Unfortunately, I don't see how this would improve drug addiction prevention; thats probably an issue of way more rehabilitation needing to be interjected into the judicial system as oppose to just treating addicts like criminals.
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