Oakland Rebels Against Police Killing of Oscar Grant pt1

[Joanne98]

Run time: 09:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WFxAVlKQ44   Posted on YouTube: January 08, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: January 08, 2009 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 1498

 

Part two...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbCoHN2WtI

Part three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4TcA_XUxU

[Joanne98]

1. Part 4, 5, 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUC_ZVbI4sM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL0S6a7NGoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbG-xTtgGQQ

[ejbr]

2. The protesters confuse me

what do these particular police officers have to do with that fuck up who shot the guy? It's like asking some random priest about Reverend Phelps or Rick Warren.

[TheEuclideanOne]

3. Well, the guy does appear drunk, so that may be a cause for it.

However, the anger by the community is not agains "John Smith" the shooter. It is against the police in general. This is not perceived as an isolated incident, which is what is really adding to the anger. When a cop shoots somebody, it is not an individual, it is a police officer in a police uniform.

Using your example, if one of Reverend Phelps followers is protesting at a funeral for a soldier, and you have an issue with one of the followers. Is your anger aimed at "Bill Jones", the Reverend Phelps follower, or are you angry at the whole group in general?

[ejbr]

6. I don't see the analogy

If we were to bring your funeral scenario back to this situation, then it would imply that the police officers approve and support the shooting. Which is my question to begin with, why do these protestors presume that these officers wanted the guy to be shot?

[OKDem08]

4. point taken; however,

it's simply a manifestation of the (very justified) frustration and anger directed at police now.

A cop callously EXECUTED Oscar Grant. Quite a subdued response, in my opinion.

[ejbr]

7. So if a man has all of his money taken

by his wife who cheated on him with his best friend, it is legitimat (justified) for this man to mistreat all future women?

[TheEuclideanOne]

8. It would depend on whether it was an isolated incident or not

I do see your point, actually, and at one level you could say that it is unfair to attack the police in general based on the actions of one individual. However, the more that incidents like this happen (executions as well as other forms of violence), the more likely that the people are to feel negatively toward police in general, as opposed to the individual who actually did the shooting. If incidents like this never happened, then people might just write off this incident as an angry guy who just happened to be a cop and actually be protesting against the individual who did the shooting.

Alot of this is based on the life experiences of the people in that community. If a man's wife cheats on him right after the last 6 wives of his cheated on him, he is pretty likely to draw a conclusion that all women are "cheating dogs". That may not be a fair judgement to all women, or even the next woman he is in a relationship with. However, that man is likely to start seeing a pattern in women based on his own experiences. It may not be fair to all women, but you can't be surprised if he sees it that way because that is his personal experience. You may not see it that way because you may have never had a woman cheat on you.

[ejbr]

10. You're right

as a gay man, I have never had a woman cheat on me. :evilgrin:

I guess I would want the anger to be a productive anger. However, I guess I would probably be doing the same thing if I were in that community, whether I wanted to or not.

[OKDem08]

9. no, no, no...

I'm not justifying the actions, but rather the anger.

[ejbr]

11. Okay, I see where you are coming from

In any case, I am just being the devil's advocate that my philosophy degree has condemned me to be. I think I might lash out at the closest symbol of my rage as well.

[OKDem08]

12. reminds me of the adage:

anger needs to find an object and seldom rests until it does

[ejbr]

14. Indeed n/t

[Leftest]

13. No Such Thing As Good Apples

Point to me examples where so called good apples handcuffed, arrested and booked any bad apples and testified against them in court like they would do against anyone else.

Until then every cop is complicit.

[ejbr]

15. Not every cop has the "opportunity" to

testify against bad apples. So, until the day occurs where every cop has been witness to bad apples and is asked to testify against them, one cannot assume all cops are complicit.

[Leftest]

16. I call BS

Where are these good cops you speak of? I don't see any. All I see are cops who'll violate the law and other cops who'll look the other way. I call BS because there are countless examples of cops witnessing violations of the law by fellow cops and yet fail to do their sworn duty to uphold the law. Until we see it as common place where cops will perform their duty (using tasers if necessary like they love doing on us), arresting, booking and testifying against cops who violate the law, then, by this double standard of applying the laws cops are complicit with bad apple cops.

Mark my words. This murderer will get away with murder because he's a cop and other cops won't police the law against other cops with the only exception being if the public displays enough outrage. And even then its not likely.

[ejbr]

17. You may be correct

every cop who has witnessed a crime by another officer may not have testified against him/her/them. However, not every cop has witnessed a crime, so you are making a generalization on somewhat dubious empirical information (if what you claim is even true). Plus, there is Internal Affairs whom I would bet DOES go after crooked cops.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. I call BS on your call of BS

Police officers risk their lives every day to protect YOU.

[Leftest]

19. And that gives them the right to get away with violating the laws?

BTW, police officers risk their lives for a PAY CHECK, not for me.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. of course it does not.

I was commenting on your demonization of the whole. We need police officers who serve a vital role in our society in protecting YOU and me. Most are hard working family men and women who are just trying to do the best job they can.

[Leftest]

21. And so long as the whole fails to police its own then why not demonize the whole?

Its a fact that there are two sets of rules by which the police act. One for us and the other for them. What we won't get away with they themselves usually do. This is the system by which the "whole" police force conducts itself.

So until there is justice there is no such thing as good apples only bad apples and complicit apples.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. You and I disagree

And come from very different trains of thought. My experience is that when an officer screws up, society and the law enforcement field is harder on them then on the public in general--and that is the way it should be as they hold a place of trust in our society. I have never seen your world.

It is sad that you have such a...distorted...and...paraniod view of reality.

[annm4peace]

5. I understand the anger, frustration and pain of the youth.

and I'm a 42 year old white woman from CA but living in MN and I get it. I understand it.

There are good cops and bad cops. There are fair cops and there are racist cops.
There are smart cops and idiot cops and asshole cops. So quit the BS of maybe the cop accidental shot the guy, or felt threatened, or whatever. I'm tired of people being in denial or naive.

These young people are not rioting for no reason.. they have been pushed to the edge, and they have had enough of it. When they try to protest peacefully the riot cops come out. When you already feel powerless and hopeless sometimes you snap.

#1, it was obvious, that cop should have been arrested. The Chief of Police and the Mayor should have made a statement to the family and to the Young People of Oakland.

And like the previous person said,, this hasn't been the first time.

:grr: