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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:46 PM
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Congressional Black Caucus on Gay Marriage & PROP 8
 
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This shows an interesting level of understanding among black legislators.

Worth a look. Comments? Concerns?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:19 PM
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1. I like the last few guys - wasn't sure about the first woman.
I know it *sounds* like we're trying to equate the struggle for recognition of gay rights with the struggles of blacks and other racial minorities. But I, for one, recognize that they are different struggles. That said, because they are different struggles, I don't think it's a requirement that we have to wander in the desert for 40 years before people recognize our rights. I sort of felt like that's where she was going. No?
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:37 PM
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3. Interesting you see it that way...
I am on the outside of the problem in a way as I am hetero... but I would be interested in hearing why you see gay rights and black rights as different struggles.

I have to step out for an hour but will be back on later this evening.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:44 PM
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5. Different in the sense that . . .
. . . the struggle for racial minority rights is rooted in superiority/inferiority struggles. Whites have justified their "superiority" for millenia, through all sorts of means - religion being one of the most common. Throw slavery in there, along with centuries of Christian biblical "justification", and you've got a whole mess of problems to try to sort out.

With gays, it's . . . different. Very different. We don't have slavery and its impact on racial psyche to deal with. In fact, we have no institutional memory at all, to speak of. We usually come from people UNlike us. They have no memory to impart to us, so we gather it on our own. That makes our coming together as a "people" very difficult, as people's gathered "memories" may be wildly disparate.

The biblical crap is still there, of course, but it's used in a way that's different from the way it was used to subjugate blacks. The Bible was used to justify the treatment of blacks as slaves, but it didn't treat them as abominations, as it does for gays. According to the Bible, gays have no purpose. They are to be executed as creatures abhorrent to God. Their very existence is an abomination, and the tolerance of abomination leads to national judgment. It's THIS tenet, common throughout many religions, that justifies the persecution and murder of gays around the world.

And finally, there's the idea that gays just "choose" to "live a lifestyle." Racial minorities often distance themselves from the gay community's struggle for rights recognition because of this idea, again spread primarily by churches and religion. This is what I was hearing from the woman who spoke first in the video. "Don't try to equate your attempt at getting people to accept your "lifestyle" with our struggle for equal rights as human beings." Ugh.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:13 PM
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7. Thank you.
You have given me much to think about. I don't have a reply at the moment but will be digesting what you wrote above for a bit.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:34 PM
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2. Well worth a look.
John Lewis is a national treasure. I will have to look at that again to get his exact words down. This was very moving. Thank you so much for posting.

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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:06 PM
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4. Hank Johnson and John Lewis, both from Georgia, were fabulous
Diane Watson, from California, not so fabulous.

Thanks for posting this.
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:58 PM
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6. I think it's incredible
I never thought I'd see the day when Georgia senators stand up for gay rights but a California senator doesn't.
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:18 PM
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8. Pretty remarkable.
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