BREAKING! BUSH - McCAIN (ROVE) VOTER FRAUD SCHEME!!! on Countdown

[ProfessorPlum]

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[jacobfloyd]

1. sigh . . . . here we go, TIME TO GO TO WAR!!!!

[tbyg52]

2. Synopsis or link to transcript for a dialupper? TIA! nt

[silex]

3. Obama ties McCains voter frauds claim...

to bogus claim of 2006. Wants a special independent prosecutor to investigate possible voter fraud being committee by the McCain/Palin camp,repub committee & current admin justice department.He's basically calling it out now before Nov.

[tbyg52]

10. Thanks!

(And welcome to DU if such a sentiment is appropriate - can't look at your profile.)

[GinaMaria]

14. what was the republican claim in 2006?

How does tyeing it with what's going on currently help? What is the expected outcome of doing this?

[rainy]

4. Replying so I can come back to this. nt

[elleng]

5. So lets PAUSE the election

so Reps can study the extent to which Dems have defrauded?????

[babsbunny]

18. I posted a post this morning saying "Suspend the campaign"

Suspend the election. All I got for a response was that I was hung over, still drunk! There are Freepers here that have 1000 post!!!

[Sunnyshine]

6. "Toxic intrusion" = GOP illegally obstructs and exploits minority voters all over the U.S.

and it's been happening for decades! It's ridiculous that we must continue to fight for equal access to polls and legitimate elections as the outcome. Republicans filing all those letters to DOJ about ACORN, when there's direct evidence of many Republicans being involved in mass election fraud and unlawful campaign financing over the last 10 years. These GOP criminals work to spread false rumors and fear, because they think winking at you and a double thumbs up is a real vote getter. They have no dignity, and the truth is declared UnAmerican by these political thugs. They live to fan the flames of hatred and division in this country. Stop them now. :mad:

[machI]

7. Kick

[jazzjunkysue]

8. We're in uncharted waters, here. Finally, the national discussion of RNC GOP vote tampering.

This is Obama's shot across the bow: Proceed at your own risk. "I'll say it. I'll tell."

No other legislator has ever threatened publicly to tattle on the establishment.

So, now, who's the maverick?

This is the official opening gun of the game of chicken. Will the GOP actually try again to cage the Ohio vote lists for any tiny discrepancy, and disenfranchise 100's of thousands of voters?

Because, now, when those Ohio voters are turned away at the polls, after standing in long lines, they'll know, already, that it was the GOP and RNC that did it to them, with the help of GOP courts and the B* admin.

This time, because Barack tattled, they'll know who prevented them from voting.

People: The secret's out.

But, the funny thing is, we may not even need Ohio, so, the party may be doing this for nothing. Obama's asking them, is it worth it to file bogus appeals when you now know you'll be investigated?

What's it worth to you, knowing that the landslide is inevitable?

[gadjitfreek]

11. Just for spite

Just like Clinton was dogged from Day One when he was elected, Obama will be hounded. Even worse. They will never let him go. Obama has to be superhuman just to be considered slightly less human than McCain. I am so sick of the Republican's attitude that this country is theirs, and that they are the only ones who love it.

[GinaMaria]

13. Thanks for the perspective

I think this was info I and maybe others were missing. So Obama asking for a special prosecutor, exposes the Republican's attempt to disenfranchise voters? I don't know much about special prosecutors. Do you have more information on how this work?

[Overseas]

9. The ACORN stuff is the Republican magician's trick -- Look Look Look over here

think about that voter registration fraud.

Don't worry about these electronic machines flipping votes from D to R and stuff.

No No No -- Look at ACORN --

Don't worry about Republican Secretaries of State purging voter rolls with a broad brush, targeting Democrats.

No No No -- Look at ACORN --

Don't worry about Republican Secretaries of State pushing more people onto provisional ballots set aside for later adjudication.

ETC.

What a concerted campaign they've run. I forget sometimes that a lot of the DOJ Attorney firings are related to their refusing to take on trumped up "voter fraud" cases. They refused to prosecute cases against ACORN so they were fired !!

So I think Republicans have indeed been thinking of doing their election slow down process again. When Republicans stationed people at the polling places in DEMOCRATIC districts in Ohio 2004, they said they wanted to be sure voter registrations were correct. And everyone knew the number of fake people voting was minute. So their tactics to depress Democratic vote counts by making them wait in line for hours and hours were pretty clear.

I guess that is why they wanted to get some ACORN cases to be prosecuted so they could go challenge polls in all the swing states and slow down the voting again because it worked really well in Ohio 2004. While the networks reported the long lines, they wanted to be able to talk about those noble Republicans being sure the vote is pure and not overwhelmed by all those ACORN fakes. So it was a big problem that those darned attorneys in the DOJ refused to take cases that didn't have solid evidence to back them up.

I also think part of the ACORN stuff and the Republicans making the lines longer in the swing states to depress Democratic turnout is to distract from some of the electronic fraud that will be taking place. I hope Democrats DEMAND exit polling results be reported on a continuous basis, and not compared to official vote tallies and "corrected" before reporting. Republican corporate media owners would prefer we didn't have the disparities of 2004, as would the Republican party because it was such an odd coincidence that the anomalies just somehow all favored Bush over Kerry. That was just so strange. So the corporate networks may wish to spare us the confusion.

[GinaMaria]

12. My understanding of ACORN is minimal

So please correct me if I am wrong.

ACORN pays people by the hour to register voters. ACORN is aware that there are 'fake' names on some forms and they flag those forms. They themselves are not allowed to pull any forms, so they send all of them (even the flagged ones) to the government, where the flagged forms can be removed.

Both Senators Obama and McCain have supported and used ACORN in voter registration initiatives.

So what is going on is smear campaign against ACORN to plant a seed a doubt in some people's minds when McCain loses the election, at least that is my understanding. This is a collaborative and concentrated effort by many republicans to delegitimize Obama's success. I'd appreciate it if anyone had any more information to add to this.

[tclambert]

17. My understanding of ACORN

is that they aren't officially affiliated with either party. But they work in poor communities. So the people they register are mostly poor. Ergo, the republicans hate ACORN for registering mostly democratic voters.

ACORN pays people, lots of people (I've heard 8,000 and I've heard 13,000), to register new voters. Don't know if they are paid by the hour or the day. They said they do NOT pay per filled-out registration form. They may, however, have a minimum quota they expect their workers to make per day. Natural enough. If a worker isn't productive enough, they let him go. Some workers may think it's clever to make the quota by filling out bogus forms. That gets you fired, too, and may get you arrested.

ACORN does try to flag questionable forms, but they are required BY LAW to turn them in anyway. ACORN has been doing this for many years now. And they say there has never ever been a verified case of someone voting fraudulently due to their registration efforts. The system works and catches the bad registrations and doesn't allow Mickey Mouse and George Washington to vote.

The dream of the vote suppressors is, they want to smear all of ACORN's registration efforts, and find some friendly Attorney General or judge who will ban all of their registrations, thereby disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters who have been properly registered. Failing that, your scenario of planting a seed for a future argument questioning the legitimacy of Obama's win is also part of the plan. The plan doesn't mean much if Obama wins big, like by millions in the popular vote, and a hundred or two in the electoral college.

It is also an attempt to justify their own efforts to put obstacles in the way of certain voters, poor voters and minorities especially, as a means of discouraging their votes and reducing the number of such voters who actually cast votes. Requiring photo IDs and allowing more challenges to voter IDs and other measures that add to the time and inconvenience of the voting process may really be efforts to make people throw up their hands and leave rather than shuffle through long lines after work.

And, of course, it's yet another attempt to divert people from talking about the economy. "Because if we keep talking about the economy, McCain loses."

[underpants]

24. You are right. See here for more. This whole thing is just another attempt at voter suppression

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/underpants/131

My email to CNN on their ACORN reporting
Posted by underpants in General Discussion
Tue Oct 14th 2008, 12:33 PM
Regarding your reports on ACORN:

Your "Investigative Reporter" has been repeating basically the same misleading report on ACORN for the last few days. He included footage of ACORN offices in Gary Indiana and Milwaukee that had been "closed down". This implies that they scurried out of town or where fly-by-night operations when in fact common sense (and full reporting) would have lead him to the realization that they aren't going to continue paying rent on these offices AFTER registration was over. His report was laden with "allegations" and "investigations" without pointing out that ACORN has never once been charged or indicted let alone convicted of anything. In fact ACORN itself turned in one paid employee when they determined that this worker had acted illegally and that they fully complied with investigations into another former employee.
FACTS on ACORN
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...

Common sense should have also lead to a consideration of the frequency of actual "voter fraud" (not to be confused with "registration fraud" or "election fraud") and the limited benefit in comparison with the cost. Since 2002 in Ashcroft and Gonzales lead Department of Justice there have been exactly 95 indictments of ALL voter/registration/election frauds in the entire United States.
In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washingt...
What is to be gained by one person trying to create one fraudulent vote? Fine and imprisonment to create one fake vote at one precinct?
It doesn't make sense and it rarely happens.

What DOES happen is voter suppression which you have completely failed to report.
From the 50,000 voters illegally disenfrachised in Florida in 2000
to caging (including active duty military in the Jacksonville Fla. area in 2004)
to mailers telling people to vote on the wrong date or to pay up their utility bills
to the wild changes in registration standards by Ken Blackwell in Ohio in 2004 (he both officially counted the votes and ran Bush's election campaign in Ohio) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Blackwell...
to phone calls telling people that their voting place had changed (Virginia 2006)
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/...
This is only a short list. All of these operations have been from the Republican party either nationally or locally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppres...

Have you completely forgotten about WHY David Iglesias was fired as US Attorney in 2006?
It was because he (and another later fired US Attorney) would not file charges just prior to the mid-term elections.
CHARGES AGAINST ACORN
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/ar...


Only now is this initial report slowly falling apart. I see now that you are finally pointing out that ACORN was contracted during the Democratic primaries by the Obama campaign.

Why does ACORN have to file all registrations that they collect? Because of a 2002 US law changed (when Democrats briefly had a majority in the Senate) as a result of Republican/RNC shadow groups collecting registrations and then dumping them. The person who had thought they registered would show up at the polls to find out that they were not on the rolls.

Report the whole story not just part of it.

PLEASE NOTE-the wikipedia links are the quickest way to provide the beginning of an investigation trail for your "Investigative Reporter"

[Dangerously Amused]

15. K&R, with a sigh of relief.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

16. good for obama - getting it out there BEFORE the election n/t.

[manray11]

19. Someone post this, Keating at his best..

I'm new here and until vetted can't post...This isCharles Keating, Jong Mad DogMcCain's chum advising us of the dangers of sex and socialism...http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2

[roamer65]

20. Yup, that Keating's history. He was the guy who also went after Larry Flynt in the 1970's.

Puritanical BULLSHIT NONSENSE.

[garthranzz]

21. Sometimes you have to wait, because you need more evidence

You may know the truth, but how do you prove it to others?

The Democratic Party has been working, in various ways - as have others such as Palast and RFK Jr - to get this story out into the public for four years. Not an easy thing to do when you've got the political and media establishment against you.

[newmac]

22. I bet republican plants got themselves hired at ACORN only to fill out fraudulent forms

We should investigate who the people were who entered names like "Mickey Mouse" and whether they have ties to republicans. I'll bet they planted them.

[obamachangetheworld]

23. Lieberman looks like...

the old Dracula, from the movie, "Bram Stoker's Dracula."

[Rude Horner]

25. Funny how Repubs seem "worried" about voter fraud NOW

They're all so up in arms about ACORN now. When we cried foul in 2000 and 2004, weren't we told to "just get over it"?

:banghead: