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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:42 PM
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American Debt 10 Trillion!! Uncontrollable!! Massive Fraud!
 
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:04 PM
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1. What blows my mind is how little anyone cares.
All you here economist talk about is how banks are too big to fail. Can countries file for bankruptcy?
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:27 PM
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3. It is amazing how so many people can just disconnect...
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 11:28 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...on some kinds of ugly truths, and the national debt does seem to be one of them.

The horrific and intentional slaughter of anything that moved in the city of Falluja our military carried out in the immediate wake of presidential election '04 is another. What we did there should have had every U.S. citizen demanding the immediate return of ALL our troops from the Middle East. We never so much as batted an eye.

I don't know what the equivalent of declaring bankruptcy would be for a supposed superpower. Maybe we just get cut off by the international community at some point, like the barkeep cuts off the patron that's already had too many.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:25 PM
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2. Fraud has become "The American Way"
It's time to wake up people and take our country back ! http://www.wisecountyissues.com
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underdoggie Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:11 AM
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4. EMPIRE LOSERS
UH OH, DO DIS MEAN

NO MO 135 AMERKAKAN MILITARY BASES IN 750 COUNTRIES?

NO MO BRIT LAPDOGS KISSING OUR FAT ASSES?

NO MO ATTACKING IRAN TO SAVE SACRED ISRAELI ASSES?

NO MO NORTH KOREA KISSING BUSH'S WHITE ASS?

NO MO SAKASHVILI KISSING CONDI RICE's BLACK ASS?

NO MO RUSSIA KISSING SARAH PALIN'S SKINNY ASS?

NO MO INVADING DEFENSELESS LIL CARIBBEAN ISLES TO SAVE

REAGAN'S SORRY ASS?

JUST PLAIN OLD NO MO AMERKAKA EMPIRE?

SOB

NUMERO UNO ONLY AT BEING

THE WORLD'S NUMBER ONE DEAD BEAT DEBTOR NATION?

WHO WAS IT WHO BRAGGED

"WINNING IS ALL THAT COUNTS?"

ME THINKS IT MUSTA BEEN OSAMA bin LADEN

CAUSE GOOD OLE OSAMA ART CLEARLY WINNING

BRINGING DOWN THE AMERIKAKA EVIL EMPIRE!!!!

QUITE VERILY!!


BUT REJOICE?

IFn ALL THE KING'S GLORIFIED SUCKERS

IN ALL THEIR GLORIFIED UNIFORMS

PERPETRATING ALL THEIR GLORIFIED SERVICES

IN ALL THEIR GLORIFIED KING'S 750 FOREIGN BASES

GLORIFIEDLY INVADING OTHER PPLs COUNTRIES

TO GLORIFIEDLY STEAL OTHER PPLs OIL

CAN'T PUT THEIR GLORIFIED EMPIRE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN

THEN THEY AIN'T NUTTIN BUT GLORIFIED HUMPTY DUMPTY

EMPIRE LOSERS!

SOB?

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:44 AM
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5. Money and the Crisis of Civilization
Money and the Crisis of Civilization
By Charles Eisenstein

Suppose you give me a million dollars with the instructions, "Invest this profitably, and I'll pay you well." I'm a sharp dresser -- why not? So I go out onto the street and hand out stacks of bills to random passers-by. Ten thousand dollars each. In return, each scribbles out an IOU for $20,000, payable in five years. I come back to you and say, "Look at these IOUs! I have generated a 20% annual return on your investment." You are very pleased, and pay me an enormous commission.

Now I've got a big stack of IOUs, so I use these "assets" as collateral to borrow even more money, which I lend out to even more people, or sell them to others like myself who do the same. I also buy insurance to cover me in case the borrowers default -- and I pay for it with those self-same IOUs! Round and round it goes, each new loan becoming somebody's asset on which to borrow yet more money. We all rake in huge commissions and bonuses, as the total face value of all the assets we've created from that initial million dollars is now fifty times that.

Then one day, the first batch of IOUs comes due. But guess what? The person who scribbled his name on the IOU can't pay me back right now. In fact, lots of the borrowers can't. I try to hush this embarrassing fact up as long as possible, but pretty soon you get suspicious. You want your million dollars back -- in cash. I try to sell the IOUs and their derivatives that I hold, but everyone else is suspicious too, and no one buys them. The insurance company tries to cover my losses, but it can only do so by selling the IOUs I gave it!

So finally, the government steps in and buys the IOUs, bails out the insurance company and everyone else holding the IOUs and the derivatives stacked on them. Their total value is way more than a million dollars now. I and my fellow entrepreneurs retire with our lucre. Everyone else pays for it.

This is the first level of what has happened in the financial industry over the past decade. It is a huge transfer of wealth to the financial elite, to be funded by US taxpayers, foreign corporations and governments, and ultimately the foreign workers who subsidize US debt indirectly via the lower purchasing power of their wages. However, to see the current crisis as merely the result of a big con is to miss its true significance.

Continued at:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_and_crisis_civilization
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:31 AM
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6. That's a very good article. Thanks for posting.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 04:33 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
Mr. Eisenstein speaks of "the collapse of money" as a foregone conclusion, not so much to be terrified of, but to plan for and even help bring about.

I like his perspective:

---snip---

In the meantime, anything we do to protect some natural or social resource from conversion into money will both hasten the collapse and mitigate its severity. Any forest you save from development, any road you stop, any cooperative playgroup you establish; anyone you teach to heal themselves, or to build their own house, cook their own food, make their own clothes; any wealth you create or add to the public domain; anything you render off-limits to the world-devouring machine, will help shorten the Machine's lifespan. Think of it this way: if you already do not depend on money for some portion of life's necessities and pleasures, then the collapse of money will pose much less of a harsh transition for you. The same applies to the social level. Any network or community or social institution that is not a vehicle for the conversion of life into money will sustain and enrich life after money. . . .

---------

There's been a lot written about the chaos that will surely ensue when money loses its value. It's nice to read a piece that points out the healthy return to cooperation and community that will also be spawned by the collapse of money.

People should start networking and planning for this eventuality now.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:44 AM
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8. Some of the same material is covered in the video "Money As Debt"
The video explains how, by its very nature, debt created money, such as that created by commercial and central banks like the Federal Reserve, requires debt to keep expanding and for us to keep using up more and more of the worlds increasingly scarce resources (while also imposing heavier and heavier burdens on earth's environment) in order to keep the insatiable, debt-money monster fed.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+as+debt&emb=0&aq=f#

http://moneyasdebt.net
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 02:13 PM
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10. "Money as Debt" is a very good, understandable...
...and honest treatment of our monetary system and its problems -- everyone should see it.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:51 AM
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7. Those hunter-gatherer societies have a wisdom we lost long ago,
the smarter we became. Science is God, or didn't you know?
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D-Lee Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:53 AM
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9. So far, regular folks are being whipsawed ...
Anyone notice the complaints by conservative commentators that the public didn't spend enough of the stimulus payments on consumer goods?

And then, out of the other side of their mouths comes the criticism that ordinary folks couldn't discipline themselves enough to save ...

And, the stock market goes up and down, but want to bet the emptied investment coffers of the middle class aren't benefiting?

Now, tell me again, why is Paulson such an expert? The Democratic economists seem to make much more sense.
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