Sarah Palin: A Better Debater Than You Think (People, U Need to WATCH THIS !!)

[carpe diem]

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Obama won the first debate because McCain was perceived by the public as having all the FP expertise and experience. Obama was able to go toe to toe with him and point out where he was wrong and people saw Obama as at least McCain's equal on FP and that was more that they expected.

I fear that we have been set up on the VP debate. She has won the expectations game hands down. All she has to do is stand there for 90 minutes and not vomit on stage or break down crying and she effectively wins. I posted a few weeks ago about one of the Alaska governor's debates that was shown on C-span. She came across as smart, poised and confident. If she can maintain that same demeaner and deliver her talking points in the very structured environment that they managed to get for this debate, it will turn out to be a huge win for her and team McCain.

I don't think Joe Biden has bought into the 'she's dumb as abox of rocks' meme that's going around right now. If he's watching her past debate perfomances, then he knows better. What worries me is the expectations and spin. The Obama/Biden people need to be pushing back on that shit NOW and sending out these debate clips so people know...she's been to a dance before.

[Trajan]

1. I am not buying the dire warnings

or the gnashing of teeth ....

Get a grip .... Even if she DID 'hold her own', they are going down in flames .....

[iamthebandfanman]

2. oh noes!

oh wait, im not worried about it...


and mccain lost the debate because he came off as a condescending a-hole talking down to someone and laughing/giggling at his opponents answers...


you wanna come play with the big boys, you gotta act like a big boy... not like the smartass kid who thought he knew everything in your 4th grade class

[tekisui]

3. meh. I'm not worried. Guess what?

Those were all Alaskan issues. She had better be able to speak on those, being a mayor and governor there. However, on the National stage, it is clear she is in over her head.

I am sure that Biden knows exactly what he is up against, and he is exponentially more qualified to be VP than she is. Regardless of how well she does in the debate, she can not change that fact. Worst case scenario for us, is she gets a slight bump, a small would that would be shortlived on the downward spiral.

[emmadoggy]

38. Exactly.

Those were all Alaskan issues. She had better be able to speak on those, being a mayor and governor there. However, on the National stage, it is clear she is in over her head.

Totally agree. She has shown in the whopping TWO interviews that she has done that she is utterly clueless and uninformed about not only international issues, but even national issues. She's going to crash and burn and I am going to relish watching it.

[speedoo]

4. Appearing to have a command of a few issues in Alaska is one thing.

Appearing to have a command of all the issues confronting the President of the USA is a completely different matter. Based on the interviews with Gibson and Couric, I will be very surprised if she looks anything like the person in this video clip tomorrow night.

[soleft]

25. Great minds....

I mean me and you.

[Jim__]

5. I agree. She can be quite good in a debate.

My hope is that the McCain people are trying to script her and that screws up her performance (a la Couric).

Two other things - she was speaking on issues that she really knew well here, she is not completely honest in what she says (when she talks about lowering the Wasilla property taxes - she raised the sales tax, and got reams of money from Washington). If Joe can catch her shading the truth, he can score some points.

[krkaufman]

9. Not to mention that it seemed like she had notes in a one of the debates.

Of course, there's a chance that she'll have an earpiece on Thursday, as well.

[lumpy]

44. Gift if gab she's got, of course it takes more than that to make the

right decisions, and from what we know, she has made some decisions designed only to benefit her self. She is foxy, but not to be trusted IMO.

[bdamomma]

6. oh god, I can't even listen to her.

she is just full of it. Joe will know how to handle her.

[mcjackson]

7. Biden will do fine...

...He's debated many, many women over his time in the senate. All those clips of Palin "debating" are only related to Alaska, not to national issues. All Biden needs to do is answer any question and then go "...and i would love to hear what Gov. Palin thinks about that."

[krkaufman]

10. And that's really all that matters. Biden simply needs to worry about himself ...

... and not make any blunders of his own.

[Old and In the Way]

8. I wouldn't bet the farm on your analysis.

While the conventional wisdom seems to be lowering the bar for Palin to about 2" off the ground, a couple of dumb comments will be all it takes for her to lose this debate. That will be the focus on all of the talk shows and on the internet. Her recent interviews have already exposed how shallow and unprepared she is for this job. There's no real upside for her. There's plenty of downside, though.

[ramapo]

11. I'm sure Biden saw this long ago

He will do just fine. She will maintain herself during the debate. She will not win but will be viewed as having survived. Being clever will not be enough.

[johan]

12. exactly

Shes very canniving and she will do just fine at the debate! The expectations are low for her and all she gotta do is come out with no gaffes.

[AlbertCat]

37. The expectations are low for her

And you thought Dubya was as low as they could go...

But I don't understand this qualifier. We expect her to completely suck. She doesn't completely suck but she just sucks. Therefore....she's qualified to be VP!

No no no.... I don't think so....

The expectations of the rest of the freakin' world aren't being lowered. It may work for the 33% of conservatives in the 40% of all eligible voters that vote in the USA, but it changes nothing. The neocon expectations that reality can be what they make it is not such a winning and charming attitude these days. After 8 years of the lowered expectations Bush administration, I don't think it's gonna work anymore.
It doesn't work in the real world outside the USA, and never has.

[stillcool]

13. I head there's an ad out...

saying she won.

[gateley]

14. Biden has said from day one that he considers her a formidable opponent. nt

[dbmk]

15. Pperforming to her perceived level will not help her

She need to repair and improve the public impression. Thats not going to happen, I think.

[Crowman1979]

16. She may sound like an expert on affairs related to Alaska.

But she's still lying out her ass! And being a hermit towards the political issues facing the rest of the 49 states is what will get her ass kicked by Joe.

[Hutzpa]

17. This is a different playing field,

its not Wasilla, Alaska with a population of 9000, besides, she knew a lot more
because thats where she came from.

Lets all stop this analytical blabbing and wait for the debate.

[ropi]

18. please...she plays her assigned role well....

did anyone else notice her 'cutesy-cute' performance that we're seeing a lot of is not really evident in these debates? also, she's been trained to use hand gestures quite well too. Look at how she gestures then as compared to now. Someone has schooled her.

I am no fan of Sarah, and I find her answers to interview questions lacking anything substantial (re: Couric interview). Yet, something is not right when she's playing beauty queen and then you see what a viper she is in these clips.

She's dangerous. She's playing up this mom, good ol'gal "I'm just like you", and simpering uninformed fool all too well for my tastes. Of course she can't answer all the questions that these interviewers ask her on television. It would reveal her true face. If she uses her good ol'gal persona, the one who does not know many Supreme court cases, the one who is not so informed of the larger issues, because most Americans are not informed. It will blow her cover.

Ask your 'average joe' out there the same questions on the street that she's been asked and you'll see they answer quite in the same way. Yes, we all find it funny and even horrifying when comedy shows use a camera walkabout in cities and ask important political questions that people cannot answer--and Sarah plays her part by being just like the average joe.

They say she's one heart beat away from being POTUS--I'll guarantee IF..and that is IF she is elected we won't see much of Governor Palin playing the cutesy cute former beauty queen. We'll see her true face emerge slowly as she becomes more and more 'presidential' and assumes a serious role in office.

[Quantess]

42. Now I trust her even less, after watching the debates above.

I am reminded of the '80s movie "The Thing" starring Kurt Russell.

[liberal N proud]

19. She can talk and talk and still say nothing

That does not a debater make.

[Ah Xoc Kin]

20. What Palin has against her is

She is stunned by the speed of her rise
and her head will still be spinning on debate night.
That's why the interviews are going so badly.

[Tab]

21. I don't agree

like other's have mentioned, she's very confident when talking details about Alaska.

I bet she's confident when talking about hunting moose and talking about her kids too.

But as she showed on Couric, she's out of her element with the rest, and to anyone halfway intelligent, she's obviously trying to bluff her way through the way you might have done once in the job interview from hell, where you knew you were out of your league.

I'm sure they're shoving info and data down her throat right now, but it probably won't take much to throw her off course.

I'll bet she's boning up hard on the economic bailout and foriegn info, but I bet that if you take her out of her comfort zone, she's shot.

Even a candidate who was quite good and wanted to "lower expectations" (why?) wouldn't put on the kind of appearance we saw on Couric. They ought to appear confident and knowledgable EVERY time.

[1corona4u]

22. But this is her turf....

I'd expect a decent debate. However, she has no clue as to the rest of the world around her. She knew all of these things, because she lived them. She has only been 'living' mccain's world for what, like a month? She has NO foreign policy experience, at all, despite her insistance that she does.

Make no mistake, to the degree she can remember, she will appear formidable, but after the debate, she will go right back to forgetting everything she said, and what they pumped into her.

[Xipe Totec]

23. She's not dumb, she's ignorant (nt)

[Cronus Protagonist]

24. IF she breaks down cryng, she WILL win

As long as Biden is seen as a bully, she wins.

[Poll_Blind]

26. I've watched this and I'm just not buying into fear of her at a debate.

The moment she is asked to give specific examples, she breaks. That's it.

PB

[berner59]

28. Her voice is different...

On every interview she's been on lately, her voice is so high pitched and beyond grating!! Maybe when she's nervous, it goes higher? I think people are right that she only knows Alaska stuff and it's pretty simple stuff...

[ropi]

34. i note that as well

but listen to her talk on her church meetings and you'll hear the same pitch and intonation-- she plays to her audience.

Listen to her speech (why yes, she is reading from a teleprompter!) at the convention and you can note that the cutesy voice, the drawn out flat vowels, disappear.

the average american wants to see a woman just like 'me' (and listen to those who do like her.. they like her because she's just like them-plain folkses!), men want to see a hot 'cougar' who they can lust after during the wild moose hunt--then when you get home--you can take her bun down and toss the glasses off)--

[Doodler71]

27. Expectations for her are so low that barring

she breaks out into speaking tongues at the podium, the McCain campaign will claim a victory and the media will praise her.

[pipi_k]

29. OMG I'm scared!!!

If she ends up peeing on the floor, does that mean she'll have won the two remaining presidential debates for McCain, too?



:evilgrin:

[xocet]

30. Putin's disembodied head invades Alaskan airspace (film at 11)

She will not resurrect herself in the debate. Her knowledge of issues is extremely thin.

Even McCain is unable to differentiate between the groups that are in conflict in Iraq - McCain did not choose someone more knowledgeable than himself as the VP candidate.

If one listens to exactly what she says in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/USAmericansFor

"...our next-door neighbors are foreign countries...
they're in the state that I am the executive of..." --S. Palin

So, foreign countries are in Alaska? She is an executive of Canada and Russia? Neither is she well-informed nor able to cogently answer simple questions on relevant policy issues. She is a flat-earther who has apparent need to worry about witches among other things.

[springbay]

31. I'm just curious which one we'll see...Joe 6 Pack or Lipticked Pit Bull

McCain's tactic was to attack Obama and keep him on the defensive, so it will be interesting to see which Sarah Palin turns up for the debate. Biden needs to be prepared either way, which I am sure he will be.

[springbay]

32. *Lipsticked

[emalejim9]

33. Is this a setup

I think what has been going on for the past couple of weeks is a setup.

As stated in other posts, she is speaking in her comfort zone and on topics she is very familiar with but I picked up on two characteristics. First, her voice. It is actually pleasant and not the high pitched tone that we have been hearing. Is it nerves that raises her range. Not sure, but remember she has a degree in communications and has the ability and skill to change her tone.

Second, is her ability to not back down. She definitely has the typical Repuke talking over the guest rudeness down. She just appeared to be in control.

Could this be a setup. Think about this. They have been shielding her from the media and holding her hand along the way and not allowing to go it alone. Could the strategy be that she comes off with command somewhat knowledgeable, no gaffes in the debate, which elevates her persona to a point that they unleash her solo to rally the base. The emphasis is that she would be riding high from the debate and carry some momentum and everyone would be saying to themselves, she is not that bad after all.

I am scratching my head on this one.

[Supply Side Jesus]

35. Long Term thinking is not part of the McCain Campaign

It's been jumping from one thing to another, scatter shot. Incapable of long term strategy.

[Poll_Blind]

36. It's not a setup....it's not a trap....if anything:

Biden will excoriate her in the most gentlemanly manner possible.

PB

[Jack Rabbit]

39. This shows that Mrs. Palin can be impressive when she knows her material

She talked about state issues in that video. This is the sort of thing that has made her a popular governor in Alaska.

When talking about national and international matters, she's a fish out of water.

It shows that Mrs. Palin is not dumb. In fact, she really very bright. She's simply been moved to a position where she is expected to know a lot about things that she in fact knows little, and it shows.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. I agree and at debate camp they're probably trying to cram her for a test

and she might remember the key words and propaganda, but if she doesn't have a clear, true understanding, it's going to come through.

A parrot can be taught to say "Polly wants a cracker" but then ask the parrot what kind of cracker it wants, where it was made, what are the ingredients and describe the taste, and the parrot will look back glassy eyed and repeat "Polly wants a cracker"

Q- Do you read newspapers Gov. Palin?
A- I read newspapers all the time.
Q- Can you name one?
A- Polly wants a cracker......

[Regret My New Name]

40. But she knows Alaska and Alaska's issues (however flawed her opinions may be)

She doesn't seem to understand the world outside of Alaska though. She also doesn't seem quick enough to bullshit her way around this fact either. Or at least it's very transparent that is what she's trying to do when she does it.

[demo dutch]

43. She doesn't know about anything beyond Alaska

[SunDrop23]

45. Nah, I'm not impressed (nt)