Speaking in Tongues

[alphafemale]

Run time: 02:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uytmMjibvPg   Posted on YouTube: January 29, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: September 07, 2008 By DU Member: alphafemale Views on DU: 1596

 
Stay for the punchline.

[MindMatter]

1. Something amazing is happening out there

Friends of mine who have never discussed politics are now openly talking about this campaign, and 90% of them are coming down on the good side.

More than that, McCain's outrageous insertion of Lamin into this process has opened the door for people calling "bullshit" on these most extreme fundamentalists and the grip they have had on our system of government. I am thinking it is a good thing that Palin happened. I believe we can beat that team, and in teh process greatly weaken Ralph Reed and company. What a great thing it will be to wake up after election day and be able to say that both the neocon movement and the fundie movement are past their peak and in serious decline.

[Doozygirl54]

2. I hope yuo are right.

Palin might just be the last nail in their coffin.

[alphafemale]

4. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[SKKY]

7. Talking is good. I hope they follow up and vote on the good side...

[DesertFlower]

3. thanks for making me laugh. nt

[SeattleGirl]

5. ROFL!

Funnier than shit!

I used to go to a Pentecostal church, and whenever someone started speaking in tongues, I always thought they were nuts.

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[TexasObserver]

8. Of course it is a political video. Palin belongs to a sect that practices speaking in tongues.

If a Muslim were Wahabbi, would that be relevant to considering them and their politics? Of course.

If a Catholic belonged to the IRA, would it be relevant? Of course.

If a Christian belonged to the KKK, would it be relevant? Of course.

If the subject offends you, pluck it out of your eye's line of sight. Use Hide Thread. This video talks about the absurdity of the practice known as "speaking in tongues," and if you've ever observed people do so, you'd know that it's just this side of voodoo dances of "possession."

People are free to practice their religion, but they are also free to be judged by the more bizarre practices of their religion.

[Liberal Dose]

10. It is political. Palin is a Theofascist and this is the kind of church she grew up in.

The increasing number of post police is interesting.

[eridani]

9. Lots more here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6961281&mesg_id=6961281

Also, if Palin is not willing to commit to a full term as VP, wouldn't that disqualify her?

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Wasilla Assembly of God

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[Liberalatus]

11. I was raised Pentacostal too...

and anyone can have whatever opinion they want about "speaking in tongues" and whether or not it is real, but let's not forget that it is an actual religious belief that people have, and it is scriptually supported, so its not total insanity. And it is still in bad taste to mock someone's personal religious beliefs. The definition he gives for speaking in tongues, is speaking in a language you do not know. That is a bit misleading. It is speaking an unearthly language, possibly the same used by angels, or God, or in Heaven, if they are different. And something I've noticed throughout the years, is Muslims say that Arabic is the language of God, or the closest language to that of God. And I remember in church growing up, whenever someone spoke in tongues, it did sound sorta like Arabic. (interesting...)

Speaking in tongues can be explained by a person receiving a direct communication from God, or an angel. The person feels a connection to God, and is spiritually "one" at the moment, and gets the urge to speak. When they open their mouth, the words just flow out, uncontrollably. There is no conscious thought behind it. If you become conscious of what you are doing, you usually lose it right away. Even in the video, he had to "search" for phrases to continue speaking like that. I know we aren't supposed to judge, but you could most of the time tell if someone was faking it, or just putting on a show. Afterwards, usually the church got quiet, and we waited for a translation. Sometimes, someone would "understand" it, and translate, other times not. Translation was almost the same as speaking in tongues. You get the urge to speak, and the words just come, except in English (or whatever the people of the church are). I remember one time I felt a very strong urge to deliver the translation. I had a constant stream of thoughts, sentence after sentence rushing through my head, all in a order that formed a cohesive message. But I couldn't bring myself to speak up. And no one else offered a translation. The apostles experienced the phenomenon, in the upper room. Also, this is how Muhammad supposedly received the Koran, in its entirety. He did not "sit and write" it. He recited it, spontaneously often.


ps..there are plenty of reasons to ridicule Palin, but if we take this route, you turn away other religious folks who might otherwise have considered joining our party.
Although I am probably the only one here who believes in this stuff, I hope I am not ridiculed too much. And although I was raised hardcore right-wing conservative christian evangelical, remember that they are Americans too. And there are liberal and Democratic religious people of all beliefs, and we would be better served, not only as a party, but as a country, to embrace them, respect, and not look down on, or ridicule, their beliefs, and welcome them to the party open-armed.

[demwing]

12. "it is scriptually supported, so its not total insanity."

I would normally be the first to defend religious freedoms, it is my primary constitutional motivator.

But you're comment about scriptural support is disturbing. Surely you must realize that scriptures carry no weight with those outside of the faith that holds those texts as sacred. In fact, divergent faiths often find each other's scriptures heretical, if not plain evil.

We all have the right to believe as we wish, but with that right comes the responsibility to understand that in so believing, we isolate ourselves.

[Liberalatus]

14. No, all I meant was...

they weren't pulling this stuff out of their asses. That it has a source. That's all.

[CANDO]

13. I too was raised in a non-denominational evangelical church

It has forever made me into a cynic when it comes to organized religion. I like to describe my church experiences as seeing everything except the handling of rattlesnakes. The laying on of hands, speaking in tongues, knocking out in the Holy Spirit. I always had the presence of mind during this stuff as just knowing with every fiber of my being that these people were truly fucked in the head. Sorry if that offends anyone here. I've had many conversations with my parents over the years (our entire family has since moved on to either more moderate denominations to no church attendance at all). Both parents admitted to peer pressure being their motivation for "speaking in tongues". I also noticed when the Pastors would utter tongues during sermons it would always be the same set of nonsensical syllables. During the interpretation of tongues by others, it would always be the same one or two people, and they'd recite scripture from the Bible as the interpretation. We also came to find out about numerous sexual infidelities among-st pastors and their wives with various other church members. The head Pastor was also accused of child molestation but was never brought up on charges. Anyone caring for the the Pastor's name and what church? Faith Tabernacle of Williamsport, PA. The time frame would be the late 70's and early 80's. The head Pastor was Rev. Kulzer. I think he had extensive connections to churches in Rochester, NY because he often mentioned them during sermons.