Boston Ad Prank Suspects Talk About ... Hair

[populistdriven]

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Peter Berdovsky, 27, and Sean Stevens, 28, didn't want to talk about the charges they face after an ad campaign gone awry in Boston. ... (more)

It wasn't even supposed to be a hoax. Just a guerrilla/viral marketing type thing. The media and police departments are the ones who were stupid enough to blow it up to epic proportions. They did nothing wrong.

:)



This a board with lights on it and doesn't look anything like a bomb. The media is responsible for the panic and this press conference is what they deserve.

Link to image gallery of the light boards
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanderlin/tags/aquateenhungerforce/

[YOY]

1. Free the ATHF 2!!!

[Freeusfromthechurch]

68. I totally disagree with redstone...

I'm 36 and loved it... it is exactly what the media deserved.

Does anyone take the media serious today?

[Redstone]

2. What a pair of arrogant assholes. And they can't be much of "artists," or they wouldn't

have to take a job for (I assume) ten bucks an hour putting those stupid ads around the city.

Losers.

Redstone

[Scriptor Ignotus]

17. unlike all the other rich, well to do twenty-something artists

seen in other cities.

i will agree with you that they are extremely arrogant. it doesn't look like they broke any laws, so hey, maybe they can act like that and get away with it.

[Redstone]

22. They DID break laws. It's illegal to use someone else's property (even if it's the city's or

the State's property) without the property owner's permission.

That's illegal everywhere.

Redstone

[thepurpose]

28. Running a stop sign is against the law too. That's pretty much what this was.

[Redstone]

29. Are you a police officer?

Redstone

[populistdriven]

32. That's not a hair question....

[Redstone]

38. You're right, it isn't.

Redstone

[Redstone]

30. Oh, yes, if you run a stop sign, it brings the whole city to a halt for hours.

We all know that.

Redstone

[thepurpose]

45. What brought the city to a halt was not the running of a stop sign. The reaction did.

[Redstone]

55. It's the cops' fucking JOB to err on the side of caution. Would you prefer that they didn't?

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

33. Laws may have been broken, but

stating that "it's illegal to use someone else's property (evin if it's the city's or the state's) ..." is unequivocally incorrect.

These guys may be found criminally guilty of some bullshit provision of the unPATRIOT Act, but Mayor Mumbles is making his stink about recovering what it cost the city to overreact to a meaningless guerrilla ad campaign. That's a civil case, and good luck seating a jury of these guys' peers that won't laugh the city solicitor out of court.

[populistdriven]

35. I hope the defense plays these YMTD's in court lol

http://mooninitealarm.ytmnd.com/

http://scarylitebrite.ytmnd.com/

http://aquateenhungerbomb.ytmnd.com/

http://foxnewssmart.ytmnd.com/

http://aquateenhungerbomb.ytmnd.com/

I cant stand how they call it a "hoax". It OBVIOUSLY wasnt meant to be taken as bombs, because they look NOTHING like god damn bombs. WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE PUT LARGE BRIGHT LIGHTS ON A FUCKING BOMB? And why would bombs be placed on areas that are easily seen for WEEKS?

[roguevalley]

49. Ur strikes again. :) Even Keith Olbermann thought the mayor should

take a time out. The dolt. Maybe I AM the only one who watches that cartoon. :)

[Redstone]

39. So, how is the precept of "Trespass to Chattles" "unequivocally incorrect?"

If someone sees that your house has a wall facing a highway, so they come and paint a billboard on the side of your house without asking your permission, that's just peachy?

I await your wisdom.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

40. Last time I checked

bridges and other immovable objects were not considered chattel.

[Redstone]

41. Yes, they are. They're property of the public. Which means that they belong to

everyone as a group, but to nobody as an individual.

Maybe you need to "check" again.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

42. uh, link please

[Redstone]

43. Uh, Google, please. I'm not here to give you an education in Common Law. That would

be YOUR responsibility, if you're interested enough to take the time to LEARN something.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

44. sorry dude, that's a copout

because you know google does not produce a hit that supports your point.


anyway, you said that using another's property without permission is always illegal - what about the doctrine of subsidence? I didn't ask my neighbor to hold up my house.

[Redstone]

47. So call it a copout if you're too lazy to find some supporting documentation.

I don't mind.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

48. at this point...

most people would just post the link to shut the other person up.

guess there isn't one, eh?

[Redstone]

54. And you've been at DU long enough to know what "most people" would do, have you?

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

58. you must have made more posts than me

so that must make you a qualified expert who should readily spew whatever truthiness.

My reference to "most people" included the world outside DU. It does exist. Check it out sometime.

[Redstone]

59. Keep throwing those stones. Keep insulting me. Not a problem. Though if you'd care to

discuss an actual ISSUE sometime, that would be nice.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

60. If you would like to discuss the "issue"

Redtone,
You made an assertion back in your original post that the guys who hung the silly ads were guilty of trespass to chattels.

I asserted that bridges and such were not chattels.

You have yet to provide anything that backs up your assertion that public property is chattel. (it isn't)

So I find it difficult to advance the discussion with you clinging to an unsupportable premise on which this discussion began.

[Redstone]

61. Christ, you're going to beat this to death, aren't you? You'll sieze upon ANY

technicality to prove that you're right, won't you?

NONE of the property that those assholes affixed their little "advertisements" to belonged to them.

You want to argue about that, argue to yourself; I'm going to bed. I get the feeling that you'd enjoy that.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

62. technicalities

it's a "technicality" that you made a broadstroke (and incorrect) statement of the law?
Like I said earlier, you'd be a great addition to the bush adminsitration with thinking like that.

Has the issue of ownership of any of the property that was allegedly used been adjudicated? I didn't think so. You should put the shovel away, now.

[Throwing Stones]

50. you have a bright future in this misadminstration with logic like that

Tony Snow watch out. Redstone has taken the illogic to another level: since I can't find support that proves your assertion, your assertion must be true.


Absolutely brilliant.

[Redstone]

53. Throw stones if you must, but don't expect me to do you research for you. And then

go ahead and keep ducking the issue; I don't mind.

Redstone

[Throwing Stones]

56. Look, it's quite simple. You just stay here, and make sure he doesn't leave the room. All right?

What issue, exactly, am I ducking? You made an exasperatingly overlybroad and legally incorrect statement for which you have failed to provide any support. It's less than disingenous for you to place the burden on me to prove the validity of your assertion, but if you insist:

"In the common law systems personal property may also be called chattels. It is distinguished from real property, or real estate. In the civil law systems personal property is often called movable property or movables - any property that can be moved from one location to another. This term is in distinction with immovable property or immovables, such as land and buildings."

[Redstone]

57. And your post explains exactly what? Where does it justify people using public property

for free advertising?

Keep throwing those stones. Eventually, you might hit something.

Redstone

[populistdriven]

67. I can drive around my house on any given weekend and find 2 dozen advertising signs in the R.O.W.

And thats just within 1 mile of my house... The county does go around and scrape down the stuff with shovels and pull up the ones stuck in the ground but there is never a prosecution of the business that is advertised on the signs.

Other than perhaps speeding this is the least enforced law breaking in the USA.

[Throwing Stones]

46. I'm looking forward to seeing

a blackletter law definition of chattel from any source besides "Redstone's Legal Dictionary" that includes "public property".

[Throwing Stones]

63. because it doesn't apply--- end of thread n/t

[kenny blankenship]

3. They aren't doing themselves any favors

The lawyer should have tackled them and taped their mouths shut.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

4. I love it,

They are showing this matter all the respect it deserves, when all is said and done they might get fined for littering.

[populistdriven]

5. these are selling for thousands on ebay already...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mooninites-Ignignokt-LED-Boston-Bomb-Scare_W0QQitemZ230086453528QQihZ013QQcategoryZ363QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[kenny blankenship]

6. yeah and on the other hand they may be facing a jury

a jury composed of people who've seen this video, and may have decided that these 2 are total assholes because of it.
If you're ever accused of a crime and it attracts the attention of the media and they're sticking microphones in your face, don't act like this no matter how sure you are of your case... On second thought yknow what? Do act like this. Act like it's a big joke that thousands of people are spitting mad at you. I'm sure it will work out great. You'll have fun.

[brettdale]

9. If they were paid for an ad campgain

How can they be arrested,for just putting up these things. Its the Boston Authorities fault for not being able to tell what is a bomb and what is a kids cartoon.

[kenny blankenship]

10. Dude, I didn't say they should be arrested. They HAVE been arrested

Go find someone else.

[StClone]

13. Let's say they are half to blame

For delivering an ad campaign of dubious effectiveness that Boston authorities couldn't determine on site to be innocuous in appearance or threat.

Boston should take the other half. FOX News was one of the first on this story by the way.

[populistdriven]

11. I hope for their sake that they stack the jury with left-leaning Libertarians

But this probably will end with a plea-bargain for breaking some sort of 'post no bills' on city property ordinance

[EstimatedProphet]

15. Well, OK, that is the risk they run

and they may very well be sealing their fate by acting this way. However:

I think what is important about what they are doing is that they aren't letting the press run off the terraterraterra line, like they clearly want to. Given the questions that the press was asking them, it seemed (no surprise) that they were trying to link this to the GWOT issue, which is every bit as much fabricated bullshit and unimportant as talking about hair. If they're willing to run the risk, frankly I support them, because we need to take away the ability of the press to set the agenda for everyone.

[w13rd0]

37. And who exactly has that worked for?

Those accused of terrorism? Those embroiled in scandal? Did it work for Clinton? They had an ad campaign, and Homeland Security went off the deep end. Why? Obviously because they support the aggression of the Mooninites. Maybe there is oil on the moon. Seriously though, just because someone over reacted and the city was made to ground to a halt, doesn't mean these two did ANYTHING that can or should be prosecuted in a court of law. This is just bullshit. They have every right to act like it's a joke, because it IS. And seems they've "come of age" during a time when its glaringly obvious that with our corporate media, perception becomes reality. I know this much, these two will be making a lot more money now. AdultSwim is a "niche", but now most everyone knows about an obscure cartoon that runs on it. You can't BUY that kind of publicity, you have to create it, and they did.

[Throwing Stones]

51. My hope is that Bostonians aren't that stupid

I don't think these guys are assholes at all - they gave the media the circus it wanted; maybe enough to keep it in the cycle another day so they (the media) don't have to give themselves braincramps trying to come up with the next infotainment segment. I applaud these dudes for treating the whole thing like the idiotic mediablitzterraterraterrawillwelivewillwediewhataboutthenexthurricaneorothernaturaldisaterthatcouldbehypedduringsweepsweek that it was.

Fuck, who among us doesn't think about our hair more than we think about potential terrorist plots? My friends and co-workers will attest that I appear to not think about my hair very much.

[GOTV]

7. What harm can come from mocking the media? n/t

[EVDebs]

8. Agreed. Copies of AUMFs accompanied with 'laugh tracks' s

of Bush's journalist dinner asking 'Where's the WMDs ?' would do the media more justice.

"What's So Funny ?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0TnqUlB4Gg

Bush's WMD Joke Backfires
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm

Journalists SUCK.

Journalists blew up this incident in Boston...non-journalists will expose the 'journalists' for the cheerleaders they are. And now mainstream Hollywood is making movies glorifying James Jesus Angleton (The Good Shepherd). The real sickos are cashing in especially on Wall Street.

[malmapus]

21. I think they are giving the MSM what it deserves

Yeah, might not look good to some folk, but it's the media that took this and ran.

[goodhue]

24. I don't see the downside

They did a pretty good job of sticking to hair.

[Ian David]

12. If they act like clowns, nobody will take them seriously.

And then, nobody will seriously punish them.

It's an interesting defense strategy.

It reminds me of something The Monkees would do.

[Throwing Stones]

52. No one will seriously punish them?

But it's obvious that they had no other intent than to make the Baby Jesus cry.
Won't they be smitten?

[Raydawg1234]

70. Why should the take the media seriously, The media couldn't give two shits about them

[Renew Deal]

14. This is hysterical.

I don't know if these guys are crazy or psychic.

[mikelgb]

16. I love that faux stayed with the segment so damn long

fucking cretins

[Raydawg1234]

71. they probably recognized the entertainment value. I bet the producer at the Fox

studio was loving it.

[dethl]

18. These two have done nothing wrong....

The whole situation has been blown WAY THE FUCK out of proportion by the media and the city of Boston. These two are awesome and treating this issue the way it should be treated: a harmless campaign.

Huge thumbs up to Cartoon Network. :thumbsup:

[EVDebs]

19. Maybe Boston should look into that company called Ptech....

That STILL has contracts with the FAA, Air Force, and (tah-dah) the White House.

""Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few.""

Dollars of Terror by Rachel Ehrenfeld
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

Yeah, a timebomb has been planted...but it wasn't by these two ad agency idiots. Let's hope they bring this up at trial !

[populistdriven]

34. Excellent point - innocent americans are terrorized by CTs while 911 is covered up

[thepurpose]

26. They are also treating the gathered media with the absolute distain they deserve

Who are the real ass wipes here. The government of Boston who don't even seem to know the law? The same government who let these supposely dangerous devices remain in place for two weeks before they were even noticed? The same government that can't collect the trash and other debris laying around Boston that could be used to conceal real bombs?

Maybe its the media who confronted these two with their self important and corny sounding speaking voices to ask really important questions and stuck around like the fucking idiots they are after it was clear these two were going to clown them.

[CoffeeCat]

27. Absolutely....

You said it better than I did, in my post below.

We all know the media is absurd--and is aligned with the BushCo warmongering-terror machine.
The media benefits when the US public is scared.

How many times have we seen the story where a "suspicious package" is found. The press gathers
in that particular city. Satellite trucks, press members and cameras descend on the
Dairy Queen in Walla Walla--because someone found a "suspicious package" near the napkin
dispenser. For hours, they lament, "What could it BE???? Who would want to kill a Dairy
Queen worker??? Is our entire ice-cream supply threatened? Do the terrorists hate us
for our banana splits???" The mayor is then interviewed. A representative from the Dairy Board is
interviewed. A woman who saw a "Middle Eastern man suspiciously eating a Brownie Earthquake
Sundae" is interviewed.....and so it goes.

After three hours of this, we find out that the suspicious package was a box of jimmies that a
delivery boy left on the counter. And the media says..."never mind"---until they inject us with
a new dose of fear--usually the next day.

The media takes their fear-stoking role way too seriously, and someone needed to poke a hole
in their bloated self importance. There are no journalists any more. They're enterainers
and emotional freaks--pumped up on the 24-hour news cycle.

These guys should be proud of themselves.

[crispini]

20. "That's not a hair question...."

"That's also not a hair question...."

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Best. Press Conference. Evah.

[goodhue]

23. these guys rock

more power to them

[CoffeeCat]

25. Ok, these guys are brilliant and I LOVE them!!!!

These guys are adorable, hilarious and I want to adopt them!

Our society is so fear-saturated and the media is all too willing to turn EVERY
white powdery substance and suspicious package into a full-blown media blitz-bonanza.

Some yo-yos turned a lighted cartoon into a potential act of terrorism. Like rabid
monkeys, press members herded to Boston, to report on the FEAR and the DEVASTATION
of the Boston citizens! OH the humanity!!!

Therein lies the absurd, current state of hypervigilance in our country---created by the
neocons and their willing accomplices in the press---who gain so much when US citizens
are pumped up on fear and hanging on every DIRE, TERROR-SATURATED word.

Our government AND the media have gone completely outer limits, and these silly,
every-day guys---spotlight just how freaky-deaky life in this country has become.

These guys are normal. Our government is not. Our fear is not. The media is
not. It's all nuts. These guys are showing just how absurd and ridiculous it
all is.

These guys are affable rays of sunshine, filtering through some really dark times
in our country. I love that they are pointing out the ridiculous, by being ridiculous.

It's just what Molly Ivins told us to do.

[populistdriven]

31. The same media gives a pass to Able Danger participants where the Gov't covered up prescience of 911

If you are not a member of the elite nexus of corporations, media & Washington insiders they assume you are guilty and throw away the key.

[Throwing Stones]

36. Thank You TwoSparkles

That is almost exactly how I've felt about this whole stupid (and embarrassing for a Bostonian) joke. That was the subtext of what John Kerry meant back in '04 when he said that terrorism ought to be relegated to the intelligence gathering, policing and occasional cruise missile problem that it was before 9/11.

[Mind_your_head]

66. Well said, TwoSparkles!!!

These guys are normal. Our government is not. Our fear is not. The media is
not. It's all nuts. These guys are showing just how absurd and ridiculous it
all is.

These guys are affable rays of sunshine, filtering through some really dark times
in our country. I love that they are pointing out the ridiculous, by being ridiculous.

It's just what Molly Ivins told us to do.

[mark414]

64. these guys are hilarious

anyone mad at them just seems to want revenge for letting these two guys make such big fools of an entire city

get over yourselves, and calm the fuck down...runnin around like chickens with their heads cut off

[dipsydoodle]

65. ditto

:rofl:

[Raydawg1234]

69. Fuck the Media!!!!

[d_b]

72. These guys rule

:D