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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:45 PM
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Hillary Clinton: Mad As Hell/Bitch
 
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Every woman should be revolted by the treatment of ANY woman by MSM MEN! Thank heavens there are still some men who are not afraid of strong women.

"For Everyone across America who has ever been counted out but refused to be knocked out and for everyone who has stumbled but stood right back up and for everyone who works hard and never gives up. This one is for you!" --Hillary Clinton
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:50 PM
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1. The overly dramatic music is a bit much.
I like strong women. I don't like women who lie to me.
The fact that a lot of people in the media are sexist doesn't mean Hillary is the best choice for President.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:18 PM
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5. The fairness doctrine.....
What Happened to Fairness?
NOW with Bill Moyers
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/slaughter.html
Transcript

BILL MOYERS: You were elected in Congress in 1986.

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Exactly.

BILL MOYERS: That was the year the fairness doctrine went down and you've been fighting ever since to resurrect it. Why?

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: I have. And, you know, I was so committed to it and I kept doing bills. Because the airwaves belong to the people. I think we've good and sufficient examples now of what has happened to us with media consolidation — the fact that the information coming to us is controlled, the fact that at least half the people in the United States have no voice because they're not allowed in on talk radio.

BILL MOYERS: Tell me exactly what the fairness doctrine was.

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Pretty much that you had an obligation to present two sides of an issue. There wasn't really an obligation to go out and hunt for somebody if something outrageous was said on a station that you owned, or television station. But if someone asked to come on to present an opposing view, they were allowed to do it. And the stations were obligated to do it. And most station owners that I've talked to have said it wasn't onerous. They didn't find it all that difficult.

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/slaughter.html


Find me as many horrible personal things said and names called about Obama. You won't find this day and night belittling of him because he is a man. One of the club, so to say.
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HUMANUS_GENUS Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:47 PM
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17. fairness doctrine
Government obligating or dictating content is tyrannical and should not be accepted.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:39 AM
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34. Let me repeat since you didn't address my point
Assuming Clinton is picked on more, how does it make her the better choice for President? Why is that a reason to vote for her?

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:43 AM
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43. Who said she would make a better choice for President? The
point was, is she getting fair treatment by the media. Maybe you could address the point of my post?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:00 PM
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65. I don't think it was fair when the media spent a year promoting her by calling her the front runner.
I don't think she has ever been the subject of an email campaign calling her a muslim and terrorist sympathizer and her religion hasn't been brought up. Everyone gets attacked in the media.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:08 PM
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72. The media spending a year calling her the front runner caused
damage to her. She could have lived without that. It is ALWAYS better to be the underdog. With friends like the MSM, who needs enemies?:mad:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:06 PM
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80. It only caused damage when she finished third in Iowa
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 04:08 PM by Radical Activist
and started losing other primaries. That's not the media's fault. Even then the media adopted her narrative that her crushing loss wasn't that big of a deal. Just like they adopted the Clinton narrative that winning by a few points in a state where you were ahead by 20 points a month before is a victory. Much of the media have been very kind to her.
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:44 AM
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36. You won't find this belittling of him because he is a man...
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:46 AM by nachoproblem
You'll find it because he's black. He's "obviously" only gotten this much attention and support because of his minority status, according to Ann Coulter... and interestingly, also Geraldine Ferarro. Oh, and don't forget that he's a Muslim because of his funny name. Trust me, it will be just a little while longer before anyone like him is allowed in The Club.

Yes, women face huge obstacles of bigotry. They're not the only ones. Hillary can still lose the primary race based upon the content of her character, as can Obama... and yes, in spite of the big bad media. Even Progressives who are in the media have to make their choice one way or the other, just like we do.

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:48 AM
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44. Oh yes, he has shown great judgment, not. He also lied about
the wink, wink, nod, nod meeting with the foreign country of Canada by one of his advisors. Sure, I'd trust him, not! Then there are his associations like Wright, Rezko, etc. Uggggg
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #44
59. Oh yes, that has everything to do with the point I made.
:eyes:

Genius.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #59
69. What about the point of the OP? You are the one trying to change the subject.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 03:17 PM by Little Star
Is that fair treatment by the media? Genius.:nopity:
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. I'm not
trying to change anything about the OP's subject. I'm attacking the assumption that Barack Obama is part of a "Men's Club" because he's not female.

Should that belong in a separate topic? Maybe. But I still wouldn't let it walk.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
66. Men like him were allowed to vote long before women.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 03:19 PM by Little Star






stuck keys on key board
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Kim was allowed to vote!?!
Election fraud I say! Damn them suffragettes! :crazy:
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:15 PM
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74. He is half white last time I heard. However the black community
now votes in a block just because of the color of his skin. Is that right? How would they like it if all white people did that? It is wrong to vote for anyone because of their color or sex.

Those damn Clinton's are so racist and tried to keep down black people while they were in office.

This should not be black/white but rather what it is Class warfare. The over Lords against the rest of us. United we stand, divided we fall and it is working out well for the elites.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. So,
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 03:21 PM by indimuse
How DO you feel about Barack Obama's lies? What.. Do they taste better?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #8
33. If Obama were a liar
how does that make Clinton a better President again?
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
75. How does lying his ass off make him a better President?
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:59 PM
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23. obama has never lied.
:rofl:
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:41 AM
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53. .
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:01 PM
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67. See post 33
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:13 AM
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96. !
:rofl:
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:59 PM
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64. And men like Obama don't lie? HA
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. See post 33
And no, he isn't the serial pandering liar that Clinton has been shown to be.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Oh yes he is.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Again, specific examples please.
I see several calls for specific examples and this thread have been on response or the occasional weak spin. I think its just like the talk radio projection we see from Republicans.
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:55 PM
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84. There is a laundry list at the following link..........
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:33 PM
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85. The first six I read aren't lies at all.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 05:36 PM by Radical Activist
How about a specific example? I guess you can spin to make anything look like a "lie" but so far I haven't seen anything on that list he said that isn't true. Changing your position on gun laws isn't a lie, if he did. Running a national ad isn't campaigning in Florida. The smoking thing came from a spokesperson (not Obama himself) who said he hadn't had another, but it quotes Obama himself saying he had a few setbacks since trying to quit. Obama could have easily lied and said he quit cold turkey but he made an honest admission. Following that link made Obama look more honest than ever.

"68) Look at my education record in Illinois - LIAR"

How is asking someone to look at their education record a lie? Please explain that to me. This is a request, not a statement of fact. How is this a lie?

From the site again: "67) “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial,” Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. - LIAR"

Well, that's an opinion. You may disagree with that opinion but that doesn't make it a lie. Whoever made this site needs to look up lie in the dictionary because they're a complete moron.

That site is totally full of shit. Those are just the first few and they're all complete bullshit. Most of then don't even have a link to back up their claims.

Please, name some specific, meaningful lies from Obama that doesn't require Fox News style spin on what he said.
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. There is a saying: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.............
:shrug:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:17 PM
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88. You're being a fool if you think that site is serious.
Why not respond to what I wrote? Tell me, exactly how is "Look at my education record in Illinois" a lie? Please. Just explain that one or admit that the blog was written by a dishonest, weak minded talk radio conservative.
The fact that you take that blog as fact even though it doesn't have links for over half of its claims says a lot.
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:03 PM
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92. Actually, most of what is there is stuff I had already read about on researching Obama on my own....
I've been trying to study all the candidates. I think the point is that he implies that he has a good record on education but it is not that much and somewhat lackluster if you really do look at it. "68) Look at my education record in Illinois - LIAR - In reality, Obama never really championed the local councils. He supported them behind the scenes and only eventually came out publicly on their behalf. When he did weigh in, he came down on the wrong side of the debate—against protecting principals from unwarranted dismissals and in favor of keeping councils independent, no matter what. In the end, the resolution of the conflict between the two sides didn’t alleviate anyone’s concerns. Instead, it prolonged a turf battle that seems to have dragged down academic progress in the years since. Read more here http://www.slate.com/id/2188010?wpisrc=newsletter"
Source: slate.com" http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/?p=79
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:50 PM
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2. just watched that whole thing, not sure I am following a point there-

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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:49 AM
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37. Neither am I.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:52 AM by nachoproblem
While I do like Edward R. Murrow, Keith Olberman, and Carmina Burana individually, they give me a spot of a headache when they're all going at the same time.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:58 PM
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3. Interesting take on "I'm a bitch, I'm a tease, I'm a goddess on my knees..."
While I'll agree that women shouldn't be marginalized, much of the flak Clinton has taken has been, in my opinion, brought on by her actions. I don't think it has to do with her gender as much as her character.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:00 PM
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4. exactly. nt
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PittDem Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:19 PM
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27. Hillary is a disappointment
If Hillary hadn't run such a poorly executed campaign and
couldn't use her husband's political clout she would have been
out before Edwards.  She had a network of Clinton fans that
don't know when enough is enough.  
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:49 AM
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58. you said it exactly
spot on. remember the resevoir dog's quote "just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character."
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:25 PM
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77. It has been brought on by a coup.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. What has been brought on by a coup?
Her negative attack campaign? Her constant lying? Her saying the Republican nominee is more qualified to be president than the other Dem candidate?

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:19 PM
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6. great find!
very kewl~~


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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:20 PM
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7. Good Video ...
... that shows why Hillary Clinton would be a terrible general election candidate.

Her problems and troubles in this nomination fight have NOTHING to do with her gender -- her difficulties come from her being 'Hillary Clinton'.

All that smarmy anger and resentment is misdirected -- it is her herstory and her public actions -- and her terrible, meandering and divisive campaign that has brought condemnation.

So, face it, Hillary is just not a very good candidate and and her campaign has been terrible. You can blame a misogynistic mainstream media, but the truth is that it is the character and behavior of this one individual that has been the cause of so many people's criticisms.

In a general election Clinton's calculation and negativity would be a disaster for down-ticket Democrats and would almost certainly elect John McCain.

We can just hope that she figures out soon that this was not her year ... and exits the race with some of her honor still intact.


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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:34 PM
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9. I'm Rick James bitch
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:37 PM
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10. Ugh - do you think if you just keep chanting "sexists" at us it will change anything?
She voted for war with Iraq and the run-up to Iran. She has lied numerous times and destroyed her own credibility. She has said she'd rather have a Republican win the election than Obama.

Doesn't matter whether she's a man or a woman. The word "Liar" has no gender.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:02 PM
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24. obama walks on water
as he lies to you that is the difference. Give me a break.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:53 AM
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45. You are right about that. Obama is one of the slickest liars I've
ever seen. He out right lies, lies by omission and uses preacher talk to hide behind.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:14 PM
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82. Examples? n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #82
98. A list was posted up thread
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:16 AM
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97. She didn't vote for war with Iran and has said the party should unite behind the nominee
That means she will back him if he wins...

The Iran bil was identical to a bill OBAMA sponsored six months before the Kyl-Lieb vote...
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:42 PM
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11. I think women have a valid point
but they're one sided on the issue of sexism. For example: I can't even begin to count how many times I see men getting slapped by women in movies, TV shows and commercials and in real life. Let a man slap a woman on the screen and have it portrayed as socially excepted and see what happens. I can also remember a condom commercial where a guy has a crush on a gal and every time he tries to say hi she punches him and its suppose to be funny. I can only imagine what would happen if that commercial was the other way around.

There are a lot of other sexist things that woman do but you don't see men raising a big stink about it. Like stereo typing certain jobs and laughing at certain behavioral traits, etc.

So in other words. I agree with the valid points women raise with regard to sexism, but, don't be hypocrites about it at the same time.


:hide:
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:36 PM
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28. good point that people rarely talk about...
you should start your own thread about this.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:55 AM
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46. May I respectfully repeat, THIS thread was not about sexism. It
was about how unfairly she has been treated by the media. I don't know why you can't address the issue posed.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:48 PM
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12. The 1st Half was Good -- the 2nd Half Not so Much :-( -- PLEASE FIX!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:54 PM
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13. nails it....all the scared little boys especiallyTweety and Mr Potato Head Russert make me sick!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:59 AM
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47. MSM=BOY's Club. SHAME on them and any one who thinks its ok to
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 08:00 AM by MassDemm
treat anyone that way. Shoving their candidate down our throat at every chance. Sick Fucks All!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:23 AM
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99. They will "change" if Obama wins and the msm inevitably turns against him
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JohnDoe_America Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:57 PM
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14. For me it isn't the woman thing as much as the anti-democracy thing
To hear her tell it you would believe there aren't any class of delegates except for the kind that show up in Denver and choose to vote for her. She doesn't believe in "Pledge Delegates" because every delegate can vote for who ever he or she wants. I have to ask "WHY THE HELL ARE WE HAVING PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES"? Why campaign at all? Lets just send the delegates to Denver and have them vote for the person who's name they recognize the most.

No its not the women thing its the who cares what the people think by their vote thing. Sure she has been trashed by the media but that could also be more of being a Clinton than a woman. We won't really know until the next woman runs for president.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:27 PM
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15. It's been sickening! K&R
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:43 PM
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16. What could've been...
That was a great job putting that together. It almost brought tears to my eyes. Because this was the first time in history that any woman had a chance to become president. And Hillary has worked very hard, and I believe that deep down she is a true liberal, at least what passes for one on capital hill. She simply let herself be led by her husband, Penn, and others in the DLC towards a win-at-all-cost approach. Starting with her vote in favor of giving the green light to invade Iraq. I think that perhaps deep down she knew it was the wrong thing to do morally, but Bill and others egged her on to do it as the only way to shore up the central/independent vote that at the time was blind-sided by fear from BushCo.

That was the beginning of the end. She would be already in place and running smart anti-McCain ads right now if it wasn't for that fateful vote. Because that decision caused her to falter in the beginning against an adversary that did not make the same mistake. And so with every subsequent drop, her managers tried more and more desperate and disparaging approaches. And each time she dug herself deeper and deeper. Democrat voters are much smarter than Republican voters. They can't be fooled with the same tricks, unfortunately for Hillary's campaign.

One thing, I object to is including Olberman in the same crowd as Beck et all. He only has criticized her campaign, and rightly so, and never made any sexist comments like we hear from the others. I think it does your argument a dis-service to say that simply criticizing bad behavior is somehow implying a prejudice against all women.

But it is kind of sad to watch it all implode like this. And I wish her all the best, and hope she can still play a big role in Obamas administration. But her lack of judgment from The Vote to further along the way to the present, even if it can be mostly pinned on Penn, has made her unelectable. I hope that Hillary supporters can now have enough decency and smarts in them to help Obama win against McBush. We need you!!
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:06 AM
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32. Huh?
"And Hillary has worked very hard, and I believe that deep down she is a true liberal, at least what passes for one on capital hill."

Deep down she is a true liberal? But she votes for war and to enable Bush???
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:13 PM
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18. None of this is what has shaped my opinion of Hill
The two main things that shaped my opinion and finally pushed it over the top was watching her wander around the senate floor chatting with like minds on the Bankruptcy bill which she supported whole heartedly even though in at the end of the second vote, after it had safely passed she could safely vote no on it to mollify her constituents; But what pushed my anger at her over the top was the McCain endorsement. This video clip pulls on the heartstrings of womens rights supporters of which I am one and if neither of the above had happened I would probably still be on the fence as I am betting would be many more. I was particularly insulted by the out of context blurbs on Olbermann who by no means is against womens rights.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:17 PM
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20. He so is!
He only let Rachel Maddow take over his show, because he likes his women weak and dumb.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:34 PM
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21. If you think Rachel Maddow is dumb and would flippantly say so on DU...
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 05:36 PM by ooglymoogly
speaks volumes on your own intelligence and character; Amongst many other achievements She is a Rhodes Scholar.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:32 AM
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35. Or maybe..
.. I was trying to say the opposite?
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:59 AM
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39. High Five.
'nuff said.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:47 PM
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63. In that case you need a sarcasm button
You never know where folks are coming from anymore.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:39 AM
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42. ummmm... Have your sarcasm detector fixed. It's defective.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:13 PM
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19. Nice trick
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 05:14 PM by dbmk
Take all the negative things that has been said about or to Hillary. Sprinkle it with some stuff that is clearly sexist.
Voila! See?!? They are ALL sexist bastards! Brush painting everyone with one stroke 101.

Olbermanns comment was complete called for and any man running the same campaign would have gotten the same.

2-3 months ago, I would have been perfectly happy to see Hillary as President. Now? Not so much. It has absolutely nothing to do with her gender, but everything to do with what I have seen and learned and consequently realised. She is not a good person. That is my personal and subjective view, of course. She still represents politics that are far preferable to McCains, and would any day like to see her President as opposed to him. I think he is a better person though.

I have no problems with women in politics. In the last general election here in Denmark I voted for a female prime minister. And I have done so before.
So, no I am not afraid of a strong woman. It still has to be the right one, though. Just as it has to be the right man.

I can see, and understand, why the fact that she is a woman is important to a lot of people, and why her becoming president would be important in more than one way. I truly can understand it. But it seems to me that to much of the hope for the female gender is being piled unto this single candidate, generating to much frustration and disappointment as a result.
And it seems to me there is too little questioning of whether she really is the right one to carry that torch across the finishing line, instead of insisting that she HAS to be.

In all "ism" affected cases I always try to switch the sides mentally to assess my position.
If a man had been running the same campaign as Hillary, would you still prefer him over Obama?
if a woman had been running the same campaign as Obama - would you still have picked Hillary over her?
If a black woman was running against Obama, would you still pick Obama?
and so on, and so forth.
It entails a good deal of questioning of your honesty to yourself ofc - but its still a good mental checklist to cross off, to keep the inner bigot at bay.
Didn't make me doubt my preference in this case though.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:21 PM
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22. Then why the FUCK didn't he come down just as hard on BO

when the Wright story broke and Obama tried to wiggle his way out of that with LIES??

KO proved himself to be just another pandering pundit ... more interested in ratings than the truth!

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John K Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:28 PM
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25. What do we gain by all this fussing and fighting?
One of these candidates is going to lose this nomination and it looks to be Clinton. If we lose our minds over this and call anyone who doesn't support her a misogynist, we may lose in November. I was neutral until Obama won in Iowa - even though his 2004 speech had impressed me. As an African-American immigrant, I knew that we couldn't just support someone because of his race. I have 3 daughters and they know that there are problems of sexism out there, but they fight through these.

Democrats will be ok if we work together in November. That has to be the perspective.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:41 PM
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26. What do you think Obama "lied" about?
I'm assuming we've read the same statements. I don't see a lie anywhere.

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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:10 AM
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40. Barack Obama's Lies
seem to be sort of a reverse Tetragrammaton. While it is permissible to mention the God of our ancestors, it is forbidden to speak the name YHWH. Whereas while every one can invoke the name of BOL (or BL since Hebrew lacks vowels), nobody can actually say what they are.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:39 AM
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56. Wanna narrow that down to something specific?
...and intelligible?
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:20 PM
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60. No, that would defeat the purpose of my post.
Because I was making fun of people who talk about Barack Obama's Lies and won't say what they are.

Too obscure? Fine.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:52 PM
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83. Sorry, you never know what obscure comment is meant seriously these days....
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:17 AM
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49. Look up thread.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:41 AM
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57. Well, there are a few accusations upthread...I'm interested in your view.
What do you think Obama lied about? Specifically.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:19 AM
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30. Oh please, they think that their guy walks on water.
That arrogant ass Olbermann had the gall to berate Hillary for something Ferraro said, but didn't say a word against Obama for the far worse remarks of his esteemed pastor. So, condemn one candidate for the words of a surrogate while giving a free pass to the other candidate because he happens to prefer him. Same old hypocritical bullshit as seen regularly on this board.

:crazy:
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:12 AM
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41. And yet...
I don't recall that Wright had anything nasty to say about Clinton.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:23 AM
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50. You need to look at the YouTube where he actually uses
humping the air saying Bill did us just like he did Monica. The disgusting pig Wright! Hillary may never have been called a N...er, but she has been called a Cunt, whore, etc. Women sure have had it good here in the USA Men's Club!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:50 AM
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51. Yep, I guess Obama's supporters have selected hearing.
How could anyone not have seen the clip of Rev. Wright's Christmas sermon, of all days, where he goes on and on about Hillary and ends with this beauty: Hillary's never been called a ni....r. Isn't that a lovely sentiment to hear from the pulpit on Christmas day? The love, unite and hope just oozes from his pores and that of his parishioners who joyfully got up and cheered him on.

Nice church........

:eyes:
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:27 PM
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61. How could anyone not have seen the clip?
Maybe they have other hobbies besides trolling YouTube. Just an idea.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:29 PM
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78. Then they are uninformed.
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:35 PM
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62. Interesting. The Men's Club...
apparently includes Randi Rhodes. Who woulda thunk?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:06 PM
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70. Oh yes, the media totally ignored the Rev. Wright controversy
That was SO unfair to Hillary! :eyes:
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:57 AM
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38. Maybe because he watched Obama's speech on the subject...
rather than whatever wiggling and lies that seem to have manifested around that time in your world.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:15 AM
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48. And the whole friggin night regarding Obama's passport breach?
Made a TOTAL ASS out of himself on that one. Thought he could do a gotcha on Clinton and it blew up in his (and Shuster's) face. By the way, Keith was on court tv all during the OJ trial but never once mentions that when spouting his jock resume! Use to love him, now my eyes have seen him for the nasty fucker he really is. I always wondered why he was not liked in media circles. His ego is bigger than O'Reilly's and he is hateful. He is today's worst person in the world. He just needs to be fair and stop carrying one Dems water over the other Dems. There will be plenty of time for that crap in the GE.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:38 AM
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54. He used to be obsessed with bashing O'Reilly,
now he's moved on to Hillary. Either way, same pompous jerk!!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:54 PM
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29. K&R...
not as a campaign video for Hillary, but for documentation of what is, IMO, bias and sexism from some of the press in covering Senator Clinton's campaign.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:28 AM
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31. Great work!!!
I love Carmina Burana and it suited well as background music for the creeps in the media, I wish Damien would have taken care of them.

The media has behaved in a despicable manner throughout this election. The constant sexist remarks are sickening, but the disheartening part is how accepted they were by the public at large. Racist remarks would have never been tolerated, but say anything about a woman candidate and it's A-OK with most people. Have we progressed so little in this country?

How sad...........

:(
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:56 AM
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52. This is a kickass video. How can we get it to the front page??
I also will K/R the video. A bunch of old, dried up white dudes slamming Hillary cuz she's a strong and independent woman. You go GIRL! ! ! ! !
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:26 AM
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55. The Best Vidoe I've seen in a long time...that NAILS IT!
Bravo!
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bingowas-hisname-o Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:49 PM
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86. Great video illustrating the MSM hatred towards Clinton
I wish someone had done the same with Gore in 2000, whose words were relentlessly scrutinize and who was attacked for trivial things such as the color of tie he wore.

Recommended.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:17 PM
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89. I'm male, Obama supporter. MSM hatred did seem a bit excessive. However...
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 06:20 PM by quantass
... after reviewing Hillary's career, I cant say it isnt justified. If she were honest, hard working, and without a personal agenda, then no doubt i would feel embarrassed as a guy over what i saw. I recall feeling that way after watching Thelma & Louise. But in Hillary's case she's on a power trip and will say and do anything to suit the moment. U.S. issues are secondary.

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bingowas-hisname-o Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:39 PM
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90. Hillary's agenda is to give health care to all
to withdraw troops from Iraq, to institute the Fairness Doctrine, so that the corporate media cannot smear not only her but any other Democrat in the future. To give illegal immigrants the chance to become citizens if they work hard for it, etc. etc.

The claim that she's after a "personal agenda" is a right-wing talking point, IMO.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:26 AM
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100. She is at least as honest as Obama, a more hard working senator, and both have personal agendas
As does every human.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:49 PM
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91. The elites and the media pick our nominee and then we sheeple
are suppose to vote for them in the GE. I actually think the Repigs are more fair in the primary process.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:28 AM
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93. I agree
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:08 AM
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94. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
Bummer! B-)
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:11 AM
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95. Great video, thanks for posting
I am one Democratic man who is appalled at the sexism toward Clinton, especially that in the "mainstream" media.
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Ava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:52 AM
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101. i just posted this in GD:P too
I'm an Obama supporter, but the sexism in the media towards Clinton has absolutely pissed me off to no end... and then people try to say that there hasn't been sexism towards her in the media. Whether an Obama or Clinton supporter this should piss you off too. I'm just another Obama girl fed up with sexism.
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