Book Review: 9/11 Contradictions

[reprehensor]

Run time: 09:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBD36MHmawQ   Posted on YouTube: March 28, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 28, 2008 By DU Member: reprehensor Views on DU: 4231

 
Contradictions in the 9/11 narrative are explored in this book written for the Congress and the Press by David Ray Griffin.

On Amazon:
www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206724941&sr=8-1

Bushco has never looked worse.

[Beam Me Up]

1. Great video review.

The book is excellent. It is time, people. We've been lied to, repeatedly and utterly -- and actually quite badly when you begin to look at all the contradictions. Remember what Voltaire said," Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." That is exactly what post-9/11 domestic and foreign policy IS.

[truedelphi]

2. What was the deciding factor for me was when 1 of the Generals

In charge of NORAd stated for the record before the Commission that it was not possible to call upon Andrews AFB (Some 11 miles from Washington) but they had to call on Langley (some 130 miles from Washington)

This was because only the Secret Service had the phone number for Langley.

And not one Commission memeber was upset.

My Mom's Church Sodality group has a better phone tree than NORAD?!?

[Beam Me Up]

4. Richard Clark said the SS had real-time monitoring of FAA radar

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/03/faa-notified-military-of-911-hijacked.html

The dog don't hunt. Worse, they allowed * to remain in a fully disclosed location for at least a half hour -- which means they knew there was no direct threat to the President.

[sce56]

33. I have a better one where an airman questions the orders on dealing with American Airlines Flight 77

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050724164122860
Clip #1: Lee Hamilton questions Mineta
/ /

Mineta responds to an opening question by Commissioner Hamilton about the events in the PEOC and an alleged shoot down order. He describes a conversation between Cheney and a young man:

Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??"

Mineta explains that while he had not known it at the time, he had surmised that the standing order the young man asked about must have been a shoot down order. Hamilton, looking a bit confused, seeks clarification about which flight the conversation was regarding, and Mineta once again clarifies that it is the flight that hit the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. on September 11.

There was good reason for the quizzical expression on Hamilton's face. Secretary Mineta had thoroughly trashed previous accounts of the PEOC activities that had been published in the press.

In a CNN piece dated 9/11/02, the timing of events had been represented differently. According to CNN:

"After the planes struck the twin towers, a third took a chunk out of the Pentagon. Cheney then heard a report that a plane over Pennsylvania was heading for Washington. A military assistant asked Cheney twice for authority to shoot it down."

In the CNN piece Cheney aid Josh Bolton describes the same exchange between Cheney and the young man that Mineta did, but Bolton ties the exchange to "a report that a plane over Pennsylvania was heading for Washington". This is the official White House legend, the one adopted in the White House produced 9/11 Commission Report, the one exposed by Mineta.

Hamilton follows with a question about Flight 93:

Hamilton: "With respect to flight 93, what type of information were you and the Vice President receiving about that flight."

Mineta: "The only information we had at that point, was when it crashed."

Chairman Kean then stresses that the Secretary's time is limited. He moves to Commissioner Roemer, who, immediately prior to his questioning appears to be receiving counsel.
Clip #2: Tim Roemer seeks to discredit Mineta
Windows Media (2.85MB) / Real Media (2.15MB) / Quicktime

Mineta responds to a condescending greeting by Commissioner Roemer by giving a timeline for when he arrived in the PEOC (9:20), and an estimate of when the conversation between the young man and the vice president occurred (9:25-26). Roemer paints a picture of chaos and conflicting decision making between the functioning of the Situation Room and the PEOC and proposes a confused scenario of how a shoot down order might have transpired, to which Mineta replies:

Mineta: "That would be speculation on my part as to what was happening on that day."

At this point Roemer appears to attempt to discredit Mineta and imply that he, like Rumsfeld, was "out of the loop":

Roemer: "I know. Because you had been conducting official business and I'm sure you were hurriedly on your way over there..."

Mineta: "As I was listening!"

Thwarted, Roemer then tries to clarify how the order played out.

Roemer: "Would your inference be that they scrambled the jets to shoot down the commercial airliner, it failed, and the commercial airliner then crashed into the Pentagon?"

Mineta: "I'm not sure that the aircraft that were scrambled to come up to the D.C. area...were under orders to shoot the airplane down..."

Mineta ultimately expressed the obvious, that the standing order was an open question only Cheney could answer. The fact that the 9/11 Commission Report discarded his testimony has never been explained. Secretary Mineta did not respond to an open letter addressed to him. It is not known whether the letter got past his spokesman Robert Johnson, who did not respond to multiple messages. It might be worth noting that Johnson was formerly the spokesman of Arizona Congressman Jon Kyl, who was meeting the morning of 9/11 with Porter Goss, Bob Graham and at the time Pakistan ISI Intelligence Chief Mahmood Ahmed. Ahmed was linked to the wiring of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta.

If Mineta's testimony is to be taken into account, and there is no apparent reason why it should not be, questions about the timing of events the morning of 9/11 come into focus. Most obvious is, if the standing order given by the Vice President prior to the aircraft hitting the Pentagon was not a shoot down order, then what was it? Perhaps it was the danger of this question, and the danger that Cheney would have had to commit perjury to uphold the timeline reported in the mainstream press, that caused the Vice President to testify to the Commission along with the President in closed session, with no transcript, no witnesses, and no public accountability.

[ooglymoogly]

8. great Voltaire quote and perfect for this post. nt

[seemslikeadream]

3. Worse?

[wildbilln864]

5. k&r! Thanks reprehensor. nt

:hi:

[sce56]

6. I think the best evidence of the lie is in these pictures posted by a regular person.

Not a conspiracy theorist!

The following pictures were taken by Richard Levin that day, he is not using these to talk conspiracy just his way of remembering the loss of that day and he did a good job of documenting the collapse of the second tower.
All photos were taken with a 35mm SLR camera, using a 28-70 zoom or a 70-200 telephoto zoom, a 2x telephoto extension and a tripod
The originals are posted here http://www.reservoir.com/extra/wtc/index.html
I have downloaded them and used a drawing program to point out the things that don't fit the pancake collapse theory. I suggest you download and look more closely at them! To see explosions going off between ten and twenty floors below the collapse is quite revealing also note the explosive ejection of material way below the collapse!








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I say this is the best photographic proof explosions happened in a controlled demolition!
No I don't have a degree in structural engineering but I do have an eye and I have set off explosives in my military training!
The time it took for the building to completely collapse was according to the 911 commission 10 Seconds impossible for that to happen unless they were in a free fall with no lower support at each floor!
from http://physics911.net/closerlook

Look at this video taken on the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM it shows more of those explosions even farther below the collapse wave!

[Politicalboi]

13. Excellent pictures

Shows how the beams were thrown away from the building and the sqibbs real good.

[dbmk]

21. Which is exactly what would happen...

..several places in the structure as the weaker pillars gives in to the added and pointed pressure of the collapsing structure further up.

Using that as proof of controlled demolitions is laughable.

[sce56]

38. Laughable? a pressure wave is going to pop out 50 floors below the actual "Pancake" I doubt that I

guess you did not actually look at the video since it clearly show a explosion popping out way be low the mid level engineering space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM

[dbmk]

39. Put 10 glasses on top of each other.

Make the third one from the bottom a paper cup. Strong enough to carry glasses above it, due to its structural strength.

Now apply pressure at the top until one glass breaks. Wanna bet which one it is?

Of course the difference in strength in this case would be smaller. But it is entirely possible that some parts of the outer structure further down would be the paper cups, give in and be ejected outwards way before the entire floor pancakes.

[sce56]

40. And that explains the orange points in the building below the collapsing wave?

Did you bother to look at the video of the firemen turning to see the collapse then running? It clearly shows another explosion going off many floors below the engineering floor when the collapsing wave is way above that floor? And if it was just a collapse then why did the top floors turn to dust also? the whole building turned to pieces of twisted metal and powdered dust. In fact it looks like at first the top is going to topple off bending to one side before the rest collapses. If you want to listen to someone that was there listen to the firefighters that got away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11+bomb

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192
lashes: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: ?I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.?36

Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore, who said: ?Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.?37

Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore?s account moved to another standard phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions: explosion rings, in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a building. Deshore?s next words were: ?Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."38

An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: ?here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.?39

A description of what appeared to be a ring of explosions was also given by Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick, who said: "We looked up at the . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."40

Horizontal Ejections: Another feature of controlled demolition, at least when quite powerful explosives are used, is that things are ejected horizontally from the floors on which the explosions occur. Such ejections were mentioned in the testimony of Chief Frank Cruthers above. Similarly, Captain Jay Swithers said: ?I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion.?41

Firefighter James Curran said: ?When I got underneath the north bridge I looked back and . . . I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before it actually collapsed."42

Battalion Chief Brian Dixon said: ?I was . . . hearing a noise and looking up. . . . he lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because . . . everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."43



The tower is being pealed downward. Dark explosions shoot up, while white ones explode outward. Above the white explosions the building has vanished while the lower part awaits termination.

[fascisthunter]

14. Very Compelling (nt)

[Outraged As Usual]

27. ONLY DEW fits the bill

Go to Dr. Judy Woods site and read about DEW and the Hutchinson Effect. It answers ALL the ' inexplicable anomalies ' that the cabal tries to pass off as a collapse. totally dustified concrete, cars blocks away ' toasted ' and flipped around like toys..etc. etc.

There is NO way possible for a building like the Towers to turn into dust because of local firs high up..no way. Impossible. The top sections should have sheared off and toppled over...not simply erupting UPward and OUTward at extreme force. ONLY DEW can account for that, and only WE have DEW.

Those who have not spent many hours studying these events cannot possible comprehend the various technologies that went into this scam.There is far more than enough evidence to take it to a grand jury...IF there was a way to get honest attention paid to the facts.

By the way, even the NIST now says that it was NOT a ' pancake collapse' as they know that their modeling showed that to be impossible. They still have not explained away Bldg. 7 either. DEW folks, thats the only answer.

[sce56]

30. DEW is a bit too much to get into these photos show orange explosions

kind of like thermite being used to remove the supports for the building. Go to this site and hear the words of an actuall eye witness to the events that day he was there also back in 1993 when the first attack happened the man is credited with saving many lives that day and almost lost his own trying to save more.
http://www.william911.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumAguIKXRQ http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=183760105

[JohnyCanuck]

7. I'll have to get myself a copy of this book. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

9. Where will I find this book...I have a few friends that need to open their

eyes? thanx for the post.

[JohnyCanuck]

12. Well you could order it from Amazon.com

But you could also check your local Barns & Noble, Borders etc. as well. If they don't have it in stock they should be able to order it for you. Here's the link to order the book from Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206763567&sr=8-1

[november3rd]

10. Good review

I'm going to get a hold of this book as soon as possible.

[Politicalboi]

11. This is one subject I love to talk about

I have looked at so many videos and am convinced that Bush/Cheney did 9/11. I always thought how nice it was that the basements were blown out so most of the debris could fall into it. And how with the pancake theory how all 47 core beams fell too. But in the Popular Mechanics debunking they illustrate the beams still standing. If the pancake theory was true we would have a pile of rubble 50 stories tall and even that would have taken a lot of time not 10 seconds to fall. 10 stories a second is a little too fast without explosives. I try to convince my brother who is a Bush supporter about 9/11 and I give him facts and he comes back with jokes or of Cinton lying under oath or anything else that doesn't make sense. He thinks I'm nuts. If Bill O of Shit Hannity didn't say it it never happened. I hope the truth is known before we all die. It would give me so much pleasure to tell him "I told you so"

[seemslikeadream]

18. How come we don't see you in the dungeon?

September 11 forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

Be careful it's a little snarky down there

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. Amazing how many people still keep quiet

with military exercises going on that day it was hard to see the wood from the trees?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

15. I have no idea what that guy just said.

I'm not so sure that there isn't an industry out there for debunking 9/11.

[elias7]

29. I'm fairly sure there is an industry out there for debunking the debunkers

Go down to the dungeon and watch them in action. Artful in obfuscation, but what are there motives and why do they dwell there?

[Gonnuts]

16. Simply Amassing

IF one pauses to consider the magnitude of the crime, who committed it and why and that this is a casual post with not all that many replies, it's stunning. Think - if what Griffin asserts is true - and I have no doubt it is - pathological mass murders are running our country.

You have to let that settle to really grasp how huge that is. Is it any wonder that the denial factor is so high? When something you've believed in all your life turns out to be a lie, and not just a lie, but distorted, demented and sick it's not like you can just go back to functioning normally anymore.

Personally I have alienated family and friends and have come across a curious phenomena - there are many people who DON'T WANT TO KNOW! It scares them - as it should - but to be of such cowardliness on such a massive scale tells me that we're a nation of sheep. Cowards too afraid to face down even bigger cowards.

At any rate I'm glad to see DU finally start to publish posts about 9/11 - it's a start, if way too late to the game.

[seemslikeadream]

19. We have been talking about it but it's kinda a secret

September 11 forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[orleans]

20. "DU finally start to publish posts about 9/11" (we have? outside the dungeon?) n/t

[sce56]

31. I suppose the trick is it is a video posting not a regular text posting

Nice to see it in the light of day!

[orleans]

37. yes, i thought the same thing. n/t

[orleans]

17. yeah, sure....like fucking congress will read it....or even bother to look at it.

thanks anyway david ray griffin.

[Enthusiast]

22. Just my take,

I have never subscribed to the demolition theory. I have never felt that The Bush Administration was directly involved in 9/11. What I do believe is the Neo-Con Bushies knew full well what was going to happen and allowed it so it would make their case for perpetual war. Richard Clark wasn't concerned for nothing, but he was kept out of the loop. The Bushies could kill several birds with one stone. When the threat was uncovered they took advantage of it.

[pjt7]

23. David Ray Griffin is a steady, heady man

& I hope he can be given a higher profile.

Thank-you very much for putting this up on the front page, where it belongs

[tomp]

25. somebody....

...on the inside was almost certainly directly involved, irrespective of what you feel or believe. this is evident from the multitude of unanswered questions. just answer the questions and your pov will be justifiable. there are enough unknowns that to come down unequivocally opposed to the demolition theory or bush invovement is at best shallow thinking. if you're not starting with "the official story is a lie" you're not paying attention.

[Octafish]

26. The guy asks questions to which we need to know the answers.

For that alone, it's KR for this thread and book.

As far as demolition and all that, who knows?

I do know that BUSH didn't want the Congress to investigate September 11.

Why?

[sce56]

34. Hey Octafish What do you think of the pictures in post #6 above? n/t

[Octafish]

35. Dunno, my Friend. Could it be pressure build-up from the pancaked floors?

The collapse of the floors above would, it seems to me, compress the air in the floors below. Perhaps the windows blew out because the pressure increased past their ability to contain it.

I am not an engineer, but I do have basic scientific training. And I don't know what happened that day. The thing is, I demand to know.

Here's what I've got so far:

Bush knew.

Here he is, just told a second plane has been hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center, a half hour after he’s been informed that a plane was hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center. He doesn’t even wink when Andy Card tells him, “America is under attack,” let alone scramble the Air Force.



At BEST, this shows criminal dereliction of duty. Most LIKELY, it shows treason.

Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

Ashcroft Flying High

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

Genoa braces for G8 summit

Here’s more on the warnings the administration received BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, 2001:

Rice More Sordid Than Foley

On her recommendation, Tenet briefed Ashcroft and Rumsfeld (not Powell, though).

Rumsfeld, Ashcroft said to have received warning of attack

An exasperated Tenet then ordered an underling to brief Monkey in Crawford in August.

While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.

Here’s what seals the deal for me:

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Then, he turned around and said to the CIA briefer:

"All right. You've covered your ass now."



The crazy monkey IS a traitor.

Something else I know: Bush has done all he can to shut people up about the subject of September 11. And no one has seen or heard me on DU or in my Minkowski Space life tell anyone else to shut-up about their ideas or questions.

[stlsaxman]

28. Kicked to sink "Fitna" n/t

[BeachBaby]

32. Thank you SO much, reprehensor!!!!

As someone who has questioned the official story since 2001, I've been hoping that someone would publish a book that would be "easier on the eyes". It seems that many people balk at anything more than simple, laymen's talk. And because of our nation's huge amount of horribly undereducated people, books about the physics/science of the event, or books about the geo-political connections and the history behind them, go largely ignored. People don't want to read what they can't understand.

I've been saying this for years, and I'll say it again: Every registered voter in America should be required to read the PNAC's very own "Rebuilding America's Defenses". They should also be required to learn about the PNAC itself, who created it, the membership list, and the organizations created BEFORE the PNAC. They need to know that John McCain was quite the voice for its original concept in the early '90s. Registered Americans voters need to see it - and then be tested on it. If they pass, they can vote. :) Hey - I can dream, can't I?

[file83]

36. Kick & (too late for R :( )