Eight Years of Bill Clinton was pretty danged good!

[susankh4]

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McCarthy? What an insult to Democrats.

Audacity is right! But the kind they're spouting now ain't about hope.

[niceypoo]

1. Eight years of peace and prosperity

I agree, sadly Obama supporters are so absolutely negative towards other Democrats that his Hope and Unity slogans have become laughable.

[Limelight]

3. Garbage...

I'm sick of listening to Clinton supporters pontificate about how Obama supporters hate all other. That's garbage. You know why Obama supporters are sooooooo down on Hillary and her ilk? Because after the last 7 year we need someone that inspires this country to far higher ideals than the Billary-esque concept of "say anything, bait any race and propagate any smear you have to, to win" that has driven her campaign the 2nd she figured out the party wasn't going to hand her the nomination on a silver platter.

Bill Richardson was balls on accurate when he said that Hillary's campaign was now "gutter" politics and he should just the kind of man of integrity he is to say the hell with what's right for me, it's time to call it the way it is for the good of the country.

[niceypoo]

4. I support neither candidate at this point...

...but a good percent of Obama supporters are absolute, complete, unabashed, hypersensitive, assholes. 3/4 of the threads in GDP are Obamite conspiracy theories or just plain bashing. Bashing seems to be the default position of Obama supporters.

Your post is a perfect example of Obama style 'unity' and 'hope', attraction by repulsion.

If Obama's supporters werent so absolutely negative I would probabally support him by now.

[Limelight]

5. Whatever

1. Are you voting for Obama supporters or Obama? Cuz you do know Obama voters won't be holding any office, right?

2. Get real. Calling shit the way it is isn't vitriol, it's just that, calling it the way it is.

I don't know what conspiracies you're talking about and I'm not that interested to know either. But I do know this. It's the complete lack of class and integrity on the Clinton side that lost her my vote and that includes crap Bill had to say. 8 years ago be damned, what have you done for me lately?

[niceypoo]

6. Obama's supporters are a reflection of their candidates failure to define himself, IMHO

Thus far he has defined himself as 'not Hillary,' which just is not enough.
...and I refuse to jump on a bandwagon with the biggest bunch of negative hypocrites outside the GOP.

So, when do Obama supporters start SUPPORTING him by selling his POSITIONS on ISSUES?

Or are they just stuck in permenant negative attack mode?

Unity my ass.

[Yes We Did]

20. And thus far Hillary has defined herself as Bush Light.

That's not good enough either.

And if you want to know what Obama is about, then maybe you should take the half hour to go to his website and read up.

Not doing that just shows how little you care about this country and the importance of this race.

[ooglymoogly]

35. Obama has defined himself well enough that has brought me from

Edwards supporter, to really not caring between the two left, to realize I could not vote for Hillery who defined herself with the endorsement of Mc Cain, to thinking Obama was all that was left to me, to, after listening to a few of his impressive speeches, have become an Obamainiac, happily realizing he is the right man at the right time in our dangerous times to make history in the way that FDR made history. Hill has defined herself clearly as more of the same shit.

[anonymeme]

41. Yep. It Doesn't Take Much For Some People...

What did P.T. Barnum say again?

Oh, never mind, that's okay.

Go back to sleep and your dreams of a wonderful, hopeful, changed world courtesy of a hypnotic Pied-Piper selling you gallons of snake oil.

[ooglymoogly]

43. God anonymeme you really are a twit

go back to freeperland where you will be appreciated and pigs will squeal at your rapier wit. Your nose is getting so long here on DU that birds will perch on it and take a dump when you open your mouth on some very odd pauchant to deceive.

[anonymeme]

45. I'll Skip the Insult Exchange w/ You oogly. But I Am & Have Been a Solid Democrat For Over 28 Years!

Just because I back and support a different Democratic candidate than you do doesn't make me a "freeper" nor a liar nor anything else you'd like to try to paint me.

But that's okay, I realize you simply need a little practice with your smack talk.

[ooglymoogly]

47. Yeah fer sher dood/doodess

go back and read your post no41 if you can't understand the order, and reasons for, the turn of this "discussion"
If you really are a democrat and supporting Hillery I somewhat apologize for the remarks about where you are coming from. The rest of tripe you have written I don't apologize for taking you on, on. Being a bitter Hill supporter and being a freeper are two entirely different things. So I apologize for the freeper remark if indeed Hill is who you are supporting,

[anonymeme]

40. He Has Failed to Define Himself HONESTLY & That's a BIG Problem! n/t

n/t

[anonymeme]

27. Limelight, You Seem to Have the Mistaken Idea That You Can Define the Way Things Are From Nothing...

Limelight, You Seem to Have the Mistaken Idea That You Can Define the Way Things Are From Nothing... of Any Substance.

Did you read all the things that President Clinton did before laying on your knuckle-headed smack talk?

I'm betting you didn't.

And oh, my God, you actually admitted what I called you on: "8 years ago be damned, what have you done for me lately?"

Why is it I think that someone who is not really and Obama supporter, but has a whole different political agenda -- and certainly NOT a Democratic NOR Hillary agenda, either!

[DWilliamsamh]

34. Too bad Bill Isn't Running For the Nomination huh?

[anonymeme]

38. But Hillary IS Running...

And Hillary happens to be just what we need!

Thanks. ~*:hug:*~

[DWilliamsamh]

51. based on what exactly?

Her kitchen sink tactics that have damaged the prospects, perhaps irreparably, of a democratic victory in the GE? Her tacit endorsement of the Republican nominee? We need someone more concerned with her own victory than insuring a Democratic president?

Oh and before you say it - if the positions were exactly reversed; if she lead in delegates, committed super delegates, popular votes and states won, and Obama was doing his best to destroy her in a desperate attempt to pull out the single digit chance of victory, I would be just as dead set against that strategy from his camp.

I don't hate Hillary, but I have lost a LOOOOOOOOOT of respect for her and her husband who I voted for twice and would have a third time. But I have never seen this as an election about Bill Clinton. Obviously enough people feel the same way that Obama will be the nominee.

[sce56]

53. Question Why do you have no profile? Or are you just a paid shill?

Anyone that hides how long they have been here especially with a mere 400 posts which any paid shill could do in less than a weeks time is likely a and should be

[Limelight]

48. Let me clear it up for you

1. Didn't need to read his comments, I saw them, in their entirety. Race baiting. Pure and simple. If I'm a knuckle head for having the unmitigated gall to notice I guess that makes you an idiot for not being able to see/hear it for yourself.

2. What do I care what happened while he was the president if he's a person of such literal integrity now? I actually heard someone around here making the stupid comment that the black community "threw the Clintons under the bus". Are you serious. Exactly how sincere could they have been if their main argument now is he's Black/Muslim/Unamerican (or are just happy to sit back and smile as others make the argument for them? You'll excuse me for thinking if he/they can so easily throw away their "convictions" about equality to win an election they never had them to begin with.

3. I have been, am now and will likely always be a proud Democrat whether you doubt it or not.

[Yes We Did]

21. Then go vote for pappy McCain.

You probably were going to anyway.

[TankLV]

7. YES - EIGHT YEARS OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY AND HOPE!

I am so sick of the obama ASSHOLES - the TRUTH hurts...

can't say a fucking TRUTHFUL thing about obama and the babies go into crybaby mode for DARING to criticize their phoney "saint"...

get used to it...

[Yes We Did]

18. You don't get to say that. You guys don't believe in hope.

[anonymeme]

29. Hillary IS MY HOPE & Bill Clinton Was the Original Candidate to Run on Hope & I Believe in Them Both

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[anonymeme]

28. And Again, Amen! And Thank You TankLV...

~*:hug:*~

[anonymeme]

23. All The Truly Wonderful Things Bill Clinton Did For ALL Of Us, But What Has He Done for You Entitled

All The Truly Wonderful Things Bill Clinton Did For ALL Of Us, But What Has He Done for You Entitled Ones Lately, Right?

And Bill Richardson is a political whore. I met him and spoke with him politely and didn't ask him the question I wanted to ask him about why he was willing to give Alberto Gonzales a pass on his bad acts because they share a common ethnicity, until called on it and shamed by other Dems for even thinking it.

By doing this to Hillary and the Clintons, he proved his shocking lack of loyalty to people who were very good to him.

He signed his book for me, and I think I'm going to sell it on eBay. You want it? $50.00.

[ooglymoogly]

39. dumb troll alert

[ooglymoogly]

26. I repeat DAMN STRAIT!!!!

[Donnachaidh]

52. Bill Richardson just has his nose up Obama's ass because he wants to be VP

Or do you not remember the way he was SOOOOO Protective of Hillary when she was ahead? He's a failed presidential candidate cozying up to the *possible* nominee. He'll say or do anything at this point to please his potential future BOSS.

The more I see of Richardson, the more I'm reminded of others looking to butter their own bread -- aka Joe Lieberman. :rant:

[anonymeme]

25. "Eight years of peace and prosperity" Amen!

"Eight years of peace and prosperity" Amen!

And Obama supporters have the mistaken idea that all unity flows in one direction only and that's towards Obama.

Sorry, that's Unilateralism NOT Unity.

[ooglymoogly]

30. BRINGING ON 7 YEARS and...

counting of total devastation, the shredding of the constitution, and the bankrupting on all levels of our country. Was what we have now worth that 8 years of prosperity? If you say yes to this you have a few to many lights out.

[Jennierox]

56. Peace and Prosperty Rules!

I long for the days when I could turn on TV and see a young president Clinton playing the Sax and energizing the country with a balanced budget and peach and prosperty.

[SeaLyons]

2. K&R

[digidigido]

8. Not quite

The first 6 were pretty good, even though there was NAFTA, and the total incompetence with
Health care that didn't happen, oh, and the very courageous "don't ask, don't tell", which really
exemplifies the leadership of the Clinton's. Was that one Hillary's?
Getting caught lying, and refusing to resign. I was with them up until there.
At that point.....the next 2 years were pretty awful.
Let's face it, the truth... this is about the old guard, and for all her harping about being an
agent of change, Hillary is the old guard. The old guard is scared shitless by Obama because
he could be an agent of change. Now as much as they are talking about change, they are not
using the word the way he does. For the old guard, change is about going back to the policies
of the 90's that didn't get us health care, that outsourced a great deal of our economy, and
let's not even begin to talk about their concept of moral leadership.

[mopinko]

9. shame that he tarnished that.

too bad that he not only slid down into the mud for another few years in the white house, but that he has gotten rich off of god knows what.

[jgraz]

10. Wow, he was GOOD! I'd vote for that guy.

His wife? Not so much.

[People4Change]

11. The Clintons were good for the Clintons - Dems didn't fare well

CLINTON WAS NOWHERE NEAR as good a politician as the
Washington media and political establishment has claimed and
the myth has proved to be a destructive fantasy for the party.
Bill Clinton got 43.9% of the vote in 1992, while Michael
Dukakis - purportedly the worst of all candidate - got 45%.
True Clinton was up against Ross Perot who got 19% as well as
Bush, but Clinton might well have lost were it not for Perot,
in which case he would have joined Michael Dukakis in the hall
of shame. Clinton won a majority in only two state-like
entities: Arkansas and DC. In only 12 other states was he able
to get ever 45%. Dukakis, meanwhile, got over 50% in 11 states
and got over 45% in 12 others.

THE DAMAGE DONE TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY by Bill Clinton was
the worst experienced under any incumbent president since
Grover Cleveland. Here are some of the stats:

- GOP seats gained in House after Clinton became president: 48

- GOP seats gained in Senate after Clinton became president: 8

- GOP governorships gained after Clinton became president: 11

- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became
president: 1,254 as of 1998

- State legislatures taken over by GOP after Clinton became
president: 9

- Democrat officeholders who became Republicans since Clinton
became president: 439 as of 1998

- Republican officeholders who became Democrats: 3

If you want to really know what went down during the Clinton
years, read a story titled "What you won't find in the
Clinton Museum and Library" by Sam Smith.

[susankh4]

12. I was a Dem

and I fared very well.

[anonymeme]

32. As A Result of the Right-Wing's Destructive Manipulation Using a Private Issue as a Wedge!

All those things are As A Result of the Right-Wing's Destructive Manipulation Using a Private Issue as a Wedge!

One wonders why you are using that fascist propaganda of theirs to malign a great President and to support your cause -- whatever that may be -- and somehow I don't believe that it's Obama.

[Michael101]

13. Wow Bill Clinton did do a good job..

but what does this have to do with his wife, Hillary Clinton?

It's like me applying for a job, and then going to an interview, and telling the employer my husband's achievements.

This is her interview, not Bill's. She can't run on his platform.

[People4Change]

14. She IS running on Bill's presidency

What does this have to do with Hillary Clinton? She IS claiming Bill's white house years on her resume. That means she has to claim all of it, not cherry pick what she wants.

Which means she also has to claim all of this:

CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS/INDICTMENTS:
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION

- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION

- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS WERE OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.


OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

Want to bet none of this is showing up on her "resume"? Want to bet the Republicans are waiting to pounce on Hillary should the super delegates be stupid enough to consider her the most "electable"?

[Buck Power]

15. Hmmmmm

Dang good?

What about the Lewinsky scandal that effectively paralyzed his administration for its second term? What about the fact that Bill Clinton left the White House in such a state of disgrace that many, including Al Gore, think that is one of the reasons we lost the White House in 2000?

What about Bill's DLC-loving ass and the fact that he pushed the democratic party to the right? What about the fact that he fired Jocelyn Elders for merely suggesting that masturbation was "safe sex"? What about the fact that under Clinton the US began locking up more nonviolent drug offenders than ever before?

I could go on and on. The Clinton years were OK but you need rose-colored glasses to go beyond that.

[anonymeme]

42. No She is NOT. And If Those Aren't RW Talking Points & BS, I Don't Know What Are!

Note, please, that I made no direct accusations against any DU poster, but...

Oh... My... God!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. oh how I long for those days of a competent leader and the years of peace & prosperity

[humbled_opinion]

19. Yearn no more.

Support Obama and you will get 8 years of total competence including, hope, change, end of wars, end of corp profiteering, energy independence, and ending all the partisanship in D.C. we will actually get things done for the people by the people.

You can still be part of the dream... realize it.

[ooglymoogly]

24. yes, yes and once again yes

[anonymeme]

31. You Said It and Me, Too, ElsewheresDaughter!

~*:hug:*~

[Yes We Did]

17. You forgot what we lost in those 8 years.

The House & Senate.

It's called the politics of division, and that's this pony's one trick.

[anonymeme]

36. Yes, And the Politics of Division Has Been Used Against Democrats by Republicans for Decades...

Yes, And the Politics of Division Has Been Used Against Democrats by Republicans for Decades...

And Bill Clinton had NOTHING to do with starting that, but he sure as Hell was a victim of both the tactics and strategies of the Republican party and Right-Winged fascists as much as we the people and the Democratic party were victims of the RW machine.

What pony are you talking about? Yourself?

Surely you cannot be speaking about Bill Clinton -- or trying to get over on us with that crap -- as all REAL evidence of his actions and abilities are to the contrary of your description.

[ooglymoogly]

22. Bill clinton gave us 8 years of prosperous times...

and 7 years and counting of catastrophic disaster and a total turnover of the government to GOP swindlers who erased any good he did, leaving only the bad things he did, which are still in play and only adding fuel to *'s criminal enterprise of catastrophic pillaging and slash and burn policy. When this gets put to an end there will be nothing left to govern, the people will be bankrupt, the country will be bankrupt and in a cavernous hole of debt. The monied will be able to buy up plum properties for a song and we will be left starving and at the mercy of swindlers pretty much like 29. I blame this all on Clinton for lying about his private life and giving the pugs the ammunition to steal the government.

[DWilliamsamh]

33. Yeah...Bill was a v. good President

Too bad he can't run again.

[anonymeme]

37. DWilliamsamh...

But Hillary happens to be able to run and she is just what we need!

Thanks. ~*:hug:*~

[DWilliamsamh]

50. based on what exactly?

Her kitchen sink tactics that have damaged the prospects perhaps irreparably, of a democratic victory in the GE? We need someone more concerned with her own victory than insuring a Democratic president? Oh and before you say it - if the positions were exactly reversed; if she lead in delegates, committed super delegates, popular votes and states won, and Obama was doing his best to destroy her in a desperate attempt to pull out the single digit chance of victory, I would be just as dead set against that strategy from his camp.

i don't hate Hillary, but I have lost a LOOOOOOOOOT of respect for her and her husband who i voted for twice and would have a third time. But I have never seen this as an election about Bill Clinton. Obviously enough people feel the same way that Obama will be the nominee.

[Straight Shooter]

44. Thank you for showcasing this video.

Makes me laugh when O supporters stomp and shout that they don't want "that man!" in the White House again, as if ML was the only episode of 8 years of Bill Clinton's presidency.

Damn the GOP for making a scandal out of a ridiculous sexual indiscretion. It's all they had. A penny weighed against a thousand bucks, and even yet here on DU it's still being rehashed as if it's significant. It wasn't then, it isn't now, it never will be significant.

[susankh4]

46. Wow! Thanks for all the Ks & Rs! But....

It is a crying shame, and NOT good for the party, when we sit around bashing our only two term president since FDR.

Somehow half the Dem party thinks that the sport of knocking Bill Clinton is "good" for party? Oh, sure it is :sarcasm:. And the GOP will be all too happy when they get to remind the voting public how we Dems even turned on our own, and "admitted" that the last president we elected was a McCarthy-ite failure. :shrug:

This latest attack by Fisher is, once again, beyond the pale. He is talking about a former democratic President here:

He says: “Bill Clinton cannot possibly be said to be helping — instead he is hurting — his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."

(Fischer was referring to President Clinton’s comments over the weekend that a race between John McCain and Hillary Clinton would be a contest between two people who love their country, which some Obama supporters — including former Air Force Gen. Tony McPeak – have interpreted as an attack on Obama's patriotism.)

BILL CLINTON SHOULD *NEVER* BE FORGIVEN? :wtf: is wrong with the Obama camp?

[Taverner]

49. I agree

And the next 8 years, as long as its under Clinton or Obama, will be even better.

[GOPBasher]

54. Eight years of Hillary would be great, but she wouldn't win, so

we'd have eight years of McCain. Of course, after the damage this primary has done to Obama, I don't see him winning either. I hope I'm wrong. I want, above all else, a Democrat in the White House, Clinton OR Obama would suffice.

[AmericanUnity]

55. The 90s were good. They were also bad with all the partisan bickering. As a 36 year Dem voter I've

earned my right to back Obama if I feel he's the best candidate for the new millenium.

Hillary cannot win. Mathematically impossible. Time to politely do what's right for
the Democratic Party. We've given the Clinton's a lot too. Stood by Bill through several
years of trouble.

We don't owe them.

[democracy1st]

57. Yes he stuck with a Liberal/Progressive Philosophy

but when he went corporate he lost not only support but seats. Keep in mind the Clinton's represent the corporate wing of the party. Nafta,1996 telecommunications act


Many Democrats wish Bill Clinton still occupied the White House. However, before you put him in Mt. Rushmore, you might want to investigate his role in the mortgage foreclosure crisis.

The chief aim of what I have termed the Republican Counterrevolution has always been to roll back the New Deal. Anti-gov'ment rhetoric hides this as surely as states' rights hid racist segregation. Of all the New Deal legislation the GOP has sought to overturn, one that has always been at or near the top of the list is the Glass-Steagall Act. Ironically, a Democratic president repealed this for them.
http://www.progressivehistorians.com/2007/11/bill-clintons-role-in-mortgage-crisis.html