Hillary Endorses McCain above Obama - Again and Again.

[jefferson_dem]

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She seriously needs to shut the fuck up with this. :grr:

[DJ13]

1. Hillary McClinton

:puke:

[jefferson_dem]

3. Zellary LieberRodham McClinton

:puke:

[surfin]

33. She will give her tax returns to buddy McClain and repubs but not us

Amazing. I sure hope Obama does not cave in and become her VP. I am hearing many leaders in the dem party talking this way. There new selling point is she will be in for 8 years and then he will get his turn as he is young. Don't go for it.

[sallyseven]

109. Bullshit. Your all big fat republicans

[Dukkha]

48. nice unintentional corporate zing

it would be a McPresident franchise all over again with her

[eleny]

2. Aw, jeez. it's sickening how it was a strategy all along

[Emillereid]

4. What the hell is this lifetime of experience bullshit? Obama doesn't

have a lifetime of experience too? This from a woman who never handled a foreign policy crisis or made foreign policy or who even had security clearance. WTF?

I can't believe she's putting this crap out again - I guess she figures that if she doesn't get the nomination, she try to ruin it for Obama and the democratic party and give ammunition to McCain. This treachery of the highest order. How people can support this traitor is beyond me -- there are things to consider about this turncoat than her gender or her experience being a president's wife. Just to get you started, study up on her Wal-mart days.

[underpants]

7. She claims HERE that she brought peace to Northern Ireland and safe passage for Kosovo refugees

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4906517

[Ken Burch]

39. Oh, and don't forget when she healed the lame and raised the dead

:sarcasm:

[sasquatch]

45. And cured Polio

:sarcasm:
That aside I will be voting for a democrat in november.

[leftcoastie]

144. She

turned me into a newt...



I got better.

:grr:




Hillary's campaign is becoming the worst I've seen from a Democrat (ahem, DLC democrat)> I can't believe SHE is driving me (and my wife) to reconsider if she becomes the nominee. If Barak's campaign is mortally wounded by HRC and loses to McCain, then I think we need to drive the Clintons and the DLC types out of the country on a rail. Or maybe tar and feather 'em first.

[heliarc]

90. Yeah...

This little ditty by the SuperNews guys plays on just that theme.

http://current.com/items/88854218_the_democratic_messiah

[Emillereid]

128. Thanks for that - I loved it!

[roguevalley]

30. this is totally and completely unforgivable. any partisans need to

substitute names and tell me they can overlook this. she's the worst.

[Zachstar]

151. Agreed she is the worst.

McCain is already using her talking posts against the democrats.

[Zambero]

38. I think it was all those years of experience in not baking cookies

She ain't no Tammy Wynette, y'know!

[Kajsa]

114. Thank You!

"give ammunition to McCain. This treachery of the highest order"

I've been trying to point this out to no avail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4903791&mesg_id=4908304

My( and your) point is largely ignored!

;(

[JTFrog]

5. Fucking DINO. n/t

[Plucketeer]

6. Hell hath no fury

like this woman feeling scorned. :banghead:

[underpants]

8. Fifth rec for the FILTH

people need to see this. good work whomever put that together.

[ForeignSpectator]

9. I can't hear that "lifetime of experience" bullshit any longer, you were his wife while HE was the

president for crying out loud!! Obama has been legislator longer than you and you voted for war because shrub tricked you into it...voted for the most serious foreign policy "blunder", way to go!

What the FUCK is going on here?!

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[ForeignSpectator]

112. Of course but isn't that what she said, that she was deceived or so...?

Either way, can't believe nobody calls her on her experience bullshit...

[Deep13]

115. Sorry but that is misogynistic.

A lot of people worked there who were not the president. They all got valuable practical experience. HRC was no exception. You only assume it is meaningless because she was his wife and therefore somehow undeserving of her influence or inplicitely a servant. Well, she was the closest of his advisers and the longest serving one and the only adviser who called the president by his first name. Do you think he would have married her if she could not be a value to his career? Do you think she would have married him if he had no political future?

[Froward69]

10. Despicable!!!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

11. She is clearly stumping for McCain now,

Nice that her ambition is more important than the Democratic party.

[Kittycat]

12. Disgusting vile ... non-human.

[Sonnenschein]

13. How is that different than Obama saying Reagan is better Bill Clinton?

[BrightVictor]

15. I think

that Obama's comments were a reflection that Reagan had a "vision" and changed the path of America. Contrast that to the Clinton years and you can see he had no real "vision" nor did he change the direction of the country in any significant way. Brzezinski came to that same conclusion in his book Second Chance.

[Sonnenschein]

19. What did Reagan change about America? More deficit, more defence spending, more poverty. Clinton

from deficit to surplus. Even with the scandal, he is still more beloved around the world than Reagan.

[BrightVictor]

26. You are missing the point

Its not a who is better argument, its a who did more to alter the path of the country.

[Sonnenschein]

35. Of couse Clinton!

[Politicalboi]

146. Certainly you have heard the term Reagan Democrats

I have NEVER heard of Clinton Republicans

[JAbuchan08]

36. Reagan was bold enough in his actions to cause a sea-change in the political landscape

Bill Clinton was cautious, and often adopted Republican policies. He simply wasn't bold enough and so missed his chance to advance the liberal sea-change so many were hoping for when he was elected. That isn't to diminish the roll that Republicans had in obstructing, but he could have been bolder.

[Sonnenschein]

57. Reagan was bold to do what? What C-Change? A first-rate actor

who played the role of a third-rate president.

[heliarc]

91. And his acting was good enough...

That all of the republicans candidates in debate after debate mentioned him as a savior of the Republican party. Yes he was an actor, but the Republicans hold him in higher regard than democrats hold Clinton... Clinton sold out our FCC in 1996 with media consolidation. He sold out the welfare system. Of course he had a Repug congress to contend with, but then he tops it off with the lying about Monica, or with letting don't ask don't tell fly. His successes in Kosovo aside, Clinton was a bit embattled at home even if people were pretty happy with him at the time.

[Sonnenschein]

108. Reagan was in higher regard, because Republicans tend to

rally behind their leader, unlike Dem. who are more independent thinkers. Of course, Clinton is a centrist and that's bound to offend some people in both parties.

[heliarc]

138. Its not offending the former Republican Mayors of Cuyahoga county

These opportunists seem right at home in the Hillary movement.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/pattonmulcahy.html

[JAbuchan08]

132. Bold and good are not synonymous - trust me on that.

I have a dictionary.

[carolinayellowdog]

18. This happened; that didn't n/t

[Sonnenschein]

22. what didn't it?

[krkaufman]

24. When did Obama say that..."Reagan is better than Bill Clinton"...?

Do you have a link?

Because I only remember Obama saying, a while back, that "~Reagan changed the direction of the country, where both Nixon and Clinton did not~" (communicating that Nixon had mostly continued liberal/progressive policies, while Clinton had mostly continued Conservative/Reaganomics policies), and that the Republican Party, for the last 10-15 years, had been the "~party of ideas~, confronting conventional wisdom~."

I don't recall Obama crediting Reagan's policies or saying that the Republican/Conservative ideas were good.

[BrightVictor]

27. Well said

:thumbsup:

[LSK]

137. what you said

:thumbsup:

[Krashkopf]

28. Its NO different . . .

EXCEPT for the fact that NEITHER Reagan or Bill Clinton are the CURRENT GOP NOMINEE!!!!

Any body who has read my previous posts knows that I have always said that we, Democrats, have a duty to fall in line, behind the Democratic nominee, regardless of who he/she turns out to be. But, Hillary is starting to take plays out of the George W. Bush/Karl Rove playbook now, and it is absolutely SICKING to watch.

You know that disgusted, sick-to-your-stomach, feeling you get EVERY TIME you see George Bush on TV? Well, Hillary, with her "win-at-all-costs-even-if-it-means-'endorsing-John-McCain" strategy is starting to give me the SAME creepy feelings

Very, VERY, sad to see it.

[tinrobot]

32. He didn't slam another Democratic candidate while saying it.

She's raising McCain up and putting down Obama.

[RazBerryBeret]

40. Tired of this line too...

Here is the quote from the transcript of the interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal:

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times...I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

so where exactly does he say Reagan is better than Bill?

[Zachstar]

71. Reagan is no longer running for president...

[ExPatLeftist]

88. "better than"...?

First of all, you should know that, logically, trying to defend one person by pointing out the flaws of another is a fallacy.

Second, I think you might have that statement just a little spun...

And third, Reagan is DEAD and cannot run for president. Bill Clinton is not running for president. So you are asking how the comparison between a dead man and a non-candidate is any different than comparing two current candidates - and pointin out the benfits of the candidate for the other party. Great question. Are you really that dense?

[mac56]

95. Obama is not running against Reagan.

Or Bill Clinton, for that matter.

I can't be more clear than that.

[Carolina]

96. you Clinton folks are fucking delusional, you twist his

comments.

Reagan was TRANSFORMATIONAL and, like it or not, admit it or not, he was.

He ran and won in a LANDSLIDE (!) in 1980 creating a new and LASTING coalition. We couldn't stand him but even today, over 20 years later, he has an effect. His is to repukes what JFK is to Dems. An icon. That was the point of Obama's comment(s).

Sheesh!

[Megahurtz]

123. Because Bill Clinton is NOT RUNNING!!!

Ya think? :dunce:

[Bretttido]

126. For starters, Reagan is DEAD and not running against us this fall

But beyond that subtle difference, he never said that in the first place. He said that during the 80's the Republican party was the party of ideas (albeit bad ones)

[PerpetuallyDazed]

142. You're fucking off the wall

if you think there is no difference here.

1. Obama never said that "Reagan is better than Bill Clinton"

2. Obama was not promoting a REPUBLICAN FOR PRESIDENT over A DEMOCRAT.

What the hell is wrong with you, dude?

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[cameozalaznick]

31. Sorry, can't do it...

Maybe 6 months ago, but too much water has traveled under that bridge. I could have supported any of the other eight (well, maybe not Mike Gravel), but I'm over the Clintons. I don't want to listen to them for the rest of the primary season, much less the next 4 years. Sorry. If you want to call me a spoiled brat, so be it. That's just the way I feel. This makes me sick in my soul.

[Carolina]

97. welcome to DU and I totally agree

watching Shrillary in action boils my blood and I will never vote for her.

First IWR and now this bullshit experience,leadership and ready on day one...

The only outrage she has shown in the last 7 years (her only bona fide experience) has been against a fellow Democrat over campaign material.

Where has her "shame on Bush" been?!

[Johnnyheadstone]

34. WTF

Where have I heard of something like this before.....

"PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT AND RESPOND TO THIS POSTING...
and please say the words-------- I WILL VOTE IN NOVEMBER... AND I WILL SUPPORT WHICHEVER CANDIDATE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CHOSEN TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THE USELESS REPUBLICAN MACHINE

once we win... can't we argue later over dividing the spoils ? ? ?"

Oh yeah....the "loyalty oaths" that Bush and the Republicans make people sign....

A classic Nationalist/Milatarist/Facist Tactic....used to persecute political enemies....
that's ok, it's not like they can illegally tap our communications to determine who thier political enemies are or anything.....OH WAIT.....

And sorry no, I am not interested in "dividing the spoils" I am interested in a return to actual democracy.....which will not happen under ANOTHER Clinton Presidency....seriously people how can you sit there and think 2 familes in the White House for the past 28 years (and a continuation of that for at least 4 more years should Hillary somehow win) could possibly be considered a Democracy? Right, it can't....we need to clean up Washington and the first way to do that is to break the sense of "entitlement" that exsists there.....you want to break it, vote Obama. You want it to continue, vote for Hillary or McCain...

Just keep in mind that Hillary can't possibly win the general....where as Obama would win in a landslide....

To quote my Grandfather again....

"If you vote for the lessor of 2 evils, you are still voting for evil!"

[rambler_american]

92. I WILL VOTE IN NOVEMBER... AND I WILL SUPPORT WHICHEVER CANDIDATE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CHOSEN TO BEAT

I WILL VOTE IN NOVEMBER... AND I WILL SUPPORT WHICHEVER CANDIDATE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CHOSEN TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THE USELESS REPUBLICAN MACHINE
But I am totally disgusted with HRC and have to wonder if she would make the same statement or if she would vote for McCain. The first time I saw a clip of her talking about McCain's experience contrasted to Obama's 2002 speech I was willing to assume that it was just a sloppy choice of words and that if given the chance she would retract them, but this clip of her saying the same thing again and again clearly demonstrates that her intention was in fact to tell voters that McCain is better suited to be President than Obama. If she is the Dem candidate I will hold my nose and vote for her but I will NEVER forgive this betrayal.

It just crossed my mind that she may be hoping to be McCain's choice of a cross party running mate to beat Obama and thinking that McCain is so old he could die in office or at least not run for a second term putting her where she will apparently do any goddamned thing to be.

Despicable.

[trthnd4jstc]

16. Not effective Political Rhetoric

"I have lifetime of experience, Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama puts up a speach that he did in 2002" Etcetera, etcetera.
Truly, the Democratic National Committee, if we lose this needs to consider a set of guidelines about Political Speaches. It makes no sense to speak in a manner that will allow the Republicans to use it against us. Not when we can help it.

I know that Sen. Clinton is framing the debate as between her and Sen. McCain. But, her method makes it seem that the president should be either her or Sen. McCain. I state over, and over, that noone is perfect. No candidate is perfect, but in the world were the Republicans will destroy their opponents over every supposed mis-step, we should never give them fresh bait.

[LiveLiberally]

17. I will vote for the democratic nominee BUT...

I cannot condone Hillary Clinton's tactics these past weeks. Yesterday she "fought and won", but blows beneath the belt like this McCain experience comparison reveal that for her politics -- as in HER political life -- is more important than principles or party. As a lifelong democrat who values principles over politics and my party over any one politician, I cannot see her victory yesterday as anything but a defeat for what I care most about.

[krkaufman]

25. Well said. n/t

[Carolina]

99. Exactly!

not to mention that while her words were clearly meant to diminish Obama, she also just handed her own sorry ass to McCain.

He can take her very words about him, play them in an ad with a voiceover that points out HIS LONGER life experience that is real, bona fide, and HIS ... not derived from his spouse's job!

Her kitchen sink crap is going to come right back at her.

[frog92969]

20. WHO has the least amount of experience?

She should be careful with that statement, even besides stabbing the party in the back.

[Krashkopf]

21. WTF is that??!! This sounds like a stump speech for a McCain/Clinton ticket!!!

Hillary is making it harder and harder for me to promise to support the "Democratic" nominee whoever he/she is.

If she talks like a Republican, and campaigns like a Republican, guess what . . . SHE'S A REPUBLICAN!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[Justitia]

72. Well, she WAS a republican - until she hooked up w/Bill. Old habits die hard. -eom

[kevinmc]

23. McCain: Hillary Would Be Good President

McCain: Hillary Would Be Good President

Maverick Republican Sen. John McCain said Sunday that his New York colleague, Sen. Hillary Clinton, would do well if she becomes president of the United States.

"I am sure that Sen. Clinton would make a good president," McCain told NBC's "Meet the Press," as both he and Clinton were being interviewed from Baghdad.

While noting that as a Republican, he'll be supporting the GOP nominee in 2008, McCain reiterated, "I have no doubt that Sen. Clinton would make a good president."

Asked whether she thought McCain would make a good president, Sen. Clinton was somewhat less effusive, responding tersely, "Absolutely" - before erupting in her familiar cackle.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/20/112022.shtml

Yeah I know it's from News Max... BFD .... it was said on MTP.

Sucking up to McCain and taking down Obama tells me she is not going to get my vote. I will vote for Nader before I vote for a Republican Hiding as a Democrat.

[dana_b]

29. she's a robot

why the hell do people think that Obama would want her as VP if he is nominated? That is no dream team...

[Herman74]

37. Selfish and Irrational is Hillary, and I am...

...just too upset about her remarks to write anymore.

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[EnviroBat]

107. Yep! Me Too!

:applause:

[XemaSab]

50. My thoughts exactly

:thumbsdown:

[RazBerryBeret]

42. What exactly

is she hoping to gain by endorsing McCrazy?

[jeff30997]

43. Being his VP ?

I've seen so many sick things since 2000.:puke:

[RazBerryBeret]

44. Oh Christ!

me too, I live in Ohio. Home of Diebold. enough said.

[Zachstar]

150. Most likely a Chance to run in 2012...

Tho they will also be ready for her then too.

[0007]

47. 'Take it away, I can't stand it anymore, I'm getting sick to my stomach

and my head. What a class-less person!


The point is; get it anyway you can, huh?

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[Bo Bike]

51. I can’t believe the venom spuing on DU these days.

A lot of you people have lost it. We are Democrats and we need to keep in mined that the real opponent is McCain. I don’t know what you were watching but I was watching a politician pointing out a statement of fact. NOT AN ENDORSEMENT!!! Obama has basically one year of experience in national politics before he started running. HRC is right, her and McCain have many years of experience in national politics. HELLO!!! She is pointing out that it will take someone with experience to beat an experienced war hero for president. SO RELAX!!!

[cascadiance]

55. So, one can't put working in the Illinois legislature on one's resume...

... as part of one's lifetime "experience", but someone can put being Bill Clinton's husband on there as more appropriate "experience" than that! Sheesh!

[ihavenobias]

56. But it was an awful move on her part for two reasons

Not only does it hurt Obama (I get it, she wants that despite the fact that she only has a 2% chance of winning the pledged delegates), but it hurts HER if she gets the nomination.

It hurts EITHER ONE OF THEM in the general election! You think McCain won't use that clip in commercials against either of them? With Obama it looks awful, having a high profile fellow Dem bash Obama while promoting his Republican counterpart, and with Hillary it concedes that McCain has experience (worse yet, McCain can claim even MORE experience).

This was truly a lose-lose. It's a minor win for Hillary *in the short run*, but that's about it.

[Bo Bike]

60. So HRC should just give up for the good of the party

even though it is split 50/50. The Republicans don’t need HRC to point out Obama’s lack of national political experience they will do that on their own. HRC is trying to win the nomination of her party. If this is the worst she throws at Obama. Then he’s in trouble if he makes it to the GE, because he will get the kitchen sink then.

[ihavenobias]

62. But it's NOT 50/50, she WON'T win the pledged delegates!

Having such a high profile dem presidential candidate ripping on Obama for something this late in the game (after the Republican nominee is nice and cozy collecting money for the general BTW) is NOT the same thing.

It'll be a gut punch when McCain runs commercials showing those clips of Hillary. Hillary IS throwing the kitchen sink at him now.

There have been questionable attacks (directly or indirectly, from Hillary's surrogate, Hillary herself and anonymous GOPers) on his race and religion, as well as on Rezko, not to mention his "lack of substance and experience".

How much more is there to go after? We've already seen the picture of him dressed in Africa. We've already seen the disgusting emails claiming he's a Muslim that won't swear in on the Bible and will help terrorists (a friend from Ohio forwarded it to me). Ironically, part of the beauty of a lack of Washington Insider Experience is that there's less garbage to go after. Less things to attack him on.

And don't forget I also made the point that this questionable move will hurt HER if she makes to the general. McCain will turn that argument right around and make her look like a fool for it. All this does is drag out the primary leading Obama to play defense and spend money and time on her instead of on McCain. Meanwhile the attacks on Obama get to build up from McCain AND Hillary, while McCain gets to raise money for the general election.

Best case for Hillary supporters (assuming the only goal is that Hillary is the nominee) is that the superdelegates override the will of the people, which is a double edged sword with some potentially serious consequences, including an increased risk of losing in November, all else being equal.

[Bo Bike]

65. There is a 1/100th of 1/10th of 1% difference in the popular vote

and a 2% difference in the pledged delegates. I would call that 50/50.

We have seen a lot of unfair stuff thrown at Obama as well as Clinton (Obama campaigns race batting in SC). But picture that stuff at a magnitude factor of 10. The republicans will not have any manners when it comes to attacking Obama.

I just plane disagree that it would hurt HRC if she gets the nomination. Her experience is not as vast as McCain but she can hold her own. Besides McCain is a flawed candidate and will be easily portrayed as representing 4 more years of Bush and a flip flopper.

HRC still has a legitimate claim on this nomination. When the voting is over it’s very possible that she could have the majority of the popular vote while still having less pledged delegates then Obama. That teamed with the fact that she won the big battle ground states like OH (which is a must in the general) will be more then enough to claim the nomination through the super delegates. For any one to say that it is bad for HRC to make her case when she is still very much alive in this race is undemocratic.

[Justitia]

73. LOL - the republicans will eat her for lunch in the GE, don't kid yourself. -eom

[aein]

141. The race may be close, but Obama is still leading, and its traitorous to praise the Republican...

...nominee to the detriment to the probable Democratic one.

[Oilwellian]

58. Oh really? The real opponent is McCain?

Tell that to Hillary. :eyes:

Perhaps you can tell us exactly what kind of experience Hillary has in national security. If the criteria is being the wife of a president, then that means Laura is experienced enough to run for president.

Hillary's vote for war sunk her with the antiwar Americans, and guess what...we're a large majority of the country. That's why Obama is winning and considered to have a much better grasp of REALITY.

[Oilwellian]

59. I'm gonna take these clips and create something

I have to get rid of my outright rage somehow. :evilgrin:

[jgraz]

67. Except her "experience" spin is pure, insulting bullshit

Is she saying that a Harvard Law Grad who taught constitutional law, was a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago and who has more real legislative experience than she does somehow does NOT have a lifetime of experience?

The Clintons have been a cancer on this party for too long. Time for some radical surgery.

[Justitia]

75. Her "experience" got a president IMPEACHED & 4000+ soldiers killed. Some experience. -eom

[jgraz]

76. Let's not forget the one million dead Iraqis. Just to shore up her tough-girl bona fides

But, in fairness, you gotta give the Clenis most of the blame for impeachment.

[Justitia]

78. No of course not, it just didn't fit in the subject. On impeachment, she lied too & it was her deals

that started all the investigations.

But hey, she's got "35 yrs and / or a lifetime of experience" in destroying the Democratic Party.

[Carolina]

100. spare me, what the fuck is HRC's experience

I have been a Dem for over 50 years but with DINOs like Shrillary Low Road why bother.

I remember being INSPIRED by JFK ... just words!

HRC has voted with Bush more often than not and on key things: IWR Patriot Acts I & II.
Where was her 'shame on Bush' these past 7 years (her only boma fide experience)?

And as for experience, McCain will use her own words about experience against her because he's not only got more, his is bona fide and really HIS. NOT derived from being someone's spouse.

[Bretttido]

127. You think that the ONLY experience Obama has in his lifetime is...

a speech back in 2002? You think that's a fact??? If you do, you are beyond help.

[trickyguy]

52. My brain is fried.

My brain got fried the first time I heard Ms. H. give this
back-handed endorsement.
And now I'm just really pissed at her. Is she that bent on
winning the Democratic nomination
that she would endorse a Republican and throw Obama a crumb?
Apparently so.
Well, now she can add this piece of rotten politiking to her
"lifetime of experience" resume. 

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[0007]

104. I'll vote for that and hail to Gus Hall.

[trickyguy]

54. My brain is fried.

My brain got fried the first time I heard Ms. H. give this
endorsement
to the Republican contender. And now I'm just really pissed at
her.
Is she that bent on winning the nomination that she would say
this -TWICE -and then
throw Obama a crumb? How low can she go? 

[Tarc]

61. Heh, the O-Bots are mad because she is right

That's really all there is to this non-story of a story.

[hendo]

74. It must be nice to be blind n/t

[silentchurch]

80. go ez - they hurt from last night

give them a little time to adjust to reality

[Carolina]

102. and the Hillbots are delusional

if they think Shrillary Low Road is a fighter with experience...

She has voted with Bush more often than not and on key things: IWR Patriot Acts I & II.
And where was her 'shame on Bush' these past 7 years (her only bona fide experience)?

Speaking of experience, McCain will use her own words about experience against her because he's not only got more, his is bona fide and really HIS. NOT derived from being someone's spouse.

Her recent wins are pyrrhic victories because she will lose in November -- repukes hate her, indies will not lean her way and now she has alienated many Dems who will simply abstain from voting for the top of the ticket.

[Megahurtz]

124. Maybe Freeperland

is the correct Forum for you.

[Bretttido]

129. Keep your denegrating bot comments to yourself next time.

[Diane R]

63. That woman is a very dangerous narcissist.

[DesertFlower]

64. this was written by someone

on another board:

"Hillary has climbed over bodies (figuratively, of course. I think) to get where she is. He has stood by her husband, a serial adulterer. That was bad enough, although it is her choice. It speaks to her character, though. But she has also defended his actions. Inexcusable. I'm not talking about the adultery, either, but the lies. And the financial shenanigans. The chinese connection.

Hillary doesn't care for the people. I doubt she cares for Bill. She may care for Chelsea. But mainly she cares about Hillary. If I had to choose between them, I would probably choose Obama."

i think he might be right and he's a conservative.

[jgraz]

68. No, she's literally climbed over bodies to get where she is

Just ask the Iraqis.

[DesertFlower]

69. good point. nt

[Carolina]

103. Exactly

[jgraz]

66. She really is pure scum

There is no other way to describe it. She needs to be run out of politics on a rail.

[Zachstar]

70. Everyone remember the link to the video!

Everytime the Clinton Supporters want to tell people how great Clinton will be for the democratic party. Link that video.

Whoever made that video can you please post the video in file format (AVI or MPEG or whatever) so that people can burn it on to CDs and other media to give out to local news outlets and their friends?

[Justitia]

77. Well, Hillary certainly loves her some McCain doesn't she? She's vile. -eom

[silentchurch]

79. The Omies are a bit sensitive 2night?

It is not HC's job to porp up B.O.'s weak creds. It is B.O.s perogitive to provide a basis to have any shred of confidence in him. Please distribute the video as widely as you see fit. All it does is piss off the O-faithful and provide relavent info to the open minded.

[Megahurtz]

125. ...

[Bretttido]

130. There is nothing democratic about propping up the Republican nominee

while propping down the presumptive Democratic nominee... with false statements

[Buve]

81. What a sexist, vile insulting thread this is.

[other49]

82. experience is a serious issue that shouldn't be ignored

i don't see why this is such a horrible thing to say and if
obama supporters are offended by this, wait till the
republicans are attacking during the general election (check
out the ammunition the right does have on him:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/16/no-he-cant-because-yes-they-will/).
 
i also don't think she is playing dirty pool here or has done
anything so slanted and terrible during this election. 
obama's entire campaign is based off of the concept that
corruption and experience are necessarily synonymous and
therefore only someone with as little experience as possible
can deliver us from the evil of 'politics as usual.' with this
implication he is basically insulting many of his democratic
colleagues that have served in washington.  
in any case, experience is an issue that will be seriously
raised in the general election and i rather voters deal with
it now rather than when it really counts.  check out this
video where obama himself even says in 2004 that he would not
consider running for pres because he hasn't spent enough time
in the senate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfYkmieurw. 

[marions ghost]

84. you can have all the "experience"

in the world and lack wisdom.

Hillary is well-programmed and on-message at all times. But her repeated elevation of McCain at the expense of Obama is very unwise.

[other49]

85. sure you can have experience

and not wisdom (although often the two go hand in hand) but it
takes more than wisdom to run a country and i don't see any
real reason to think obama is more 'wise' than she is.  i also
don't see how this is any different than him lumping her and
mccain into the same camp because they've both spent time in
washington, elevating himself to a level above other
politicians.  it's not like shes giving any new ammunition to
the republicans, everyone knows about obama's lack of
experience.  shes just giving the voters her perspective on
why she thinks she would be better matched against mccain. 
whats the big deal?  if you think this is a serious attack
wait till the fall.  also read this article from a former CIA
official who knows washington on what the right will throw at
him:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/16/no-he-cant-because-yes-they-will/

[marions ghost]

87. Let me explain--I see Hillary Clinton as a plodder

Quite a "smart" plodder, but a plodder who pushes very hard. She knows how to work the system. She consults her advisers. She does her homework. She dots her I's and crosses her T's. She's so earnest and dogged in everything. She feels she deserves the top post because she has gained "Experience."

However--in order to really move this country in a different direction, we need a different kind of person. We need someone who really can LEAD in another direction, when given the people's support to do so. Someone who sees the Big Picture and takes risks to get to the next plateau. Someone who knows how to move obstacles. Someone who is calm and positive and doesn't emulate Repuglican dirty politics.

This kind of wisdom and vision is to be found in Al Gore, who was stopped by Grand Theft in Florida. It is found in John Edwards who was rendered invisible by Big Media. And I think it is found in Barack Obama...perhaps a little rough, but certainly like a diamond in the rough.

Hillary Clinton is just not in their league.

[LVjinx]

83. Millions of her supporters agree

25% of Clinton voters are so angry they say they won't vote for Obama if he faces McCain. Only 10% of Obama supporters say the same. http://raford.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/25-of-hillary-supporters-would-vote-for-mccain-if-obama-is-nominee/ 25%!! How many million votes is that from this primary season alone? So keep it up, Obamites. You might just lose this thing for the Democrats this year.

Obama has run an absolutely sickening campaign. Accusing people of racism, using quotes out of context, calling opponents flat-out liars, manipulating caucuses. Examples: When Bill Clinton said Obama's voting record on Iraq was identical to Hillary's, Obama and his supporters said he was lying. But was he? Can anyone find a vote Obama and Clinton both made on Iraq that is in any way different? When a reporter in SC asked Bill Clinton about the history of primaries in the state, he went over the last few decades. Included in this summary was the fact that Jesse Jackson won SC when he ran. What did the Obama campaign get out of this? Headline: "Bubba says: Obama just like Jesse Jackson!" How many primaries did Obama lose before playing the race card? ONE! New Hampshire. What's the only reason someone would have voted for Hillary? Why, the Bradley Effect! Anyone not voting for Obama is racist! After just one loss! Pathetic! Endless race-baiting and misrepresentation. (Edit: Oh yeah! And the Obama campaign's attempt to say Bill Clinton was calling the idea of a black man in office a "Fairy Tale." More lies and distortion, this was in reference to the false claim that Hillary and Obama's Iraq votes were different in any way)

THIS WILL NOT WORK AGAINST REPUBLICANS. It will only make them angrier and more likely to vote against us. And, frankly, it will only make Hillary supporters more likely to vote for McCain. That's a two way street, you say? You must not have read the link up top. And Hillary doesn't even have to actually endorse McCain, this 25% have already made up their minds.

[Bretttido]

131. All your stats show from a single poll is that Clinton supporters lean Republican

And this should sway us to vote for Clinton? Take a step back a relax, your judgment has been clouded as is blatantly clear from your ranting.

[wake.up.america]

86. WTF. Hillary is not helping anyone except McCain!!!!

[natrat]

101. b/c she is a corparitist with a whole lot of very stupid people who support her

[geomiles]

89. Declaration of Independent Democrats

I need help. I am hoping to publish this on a website like yours to try and save the Democratic Party from self-destruction.

If millions of names associated with emails would be willing to make this pledge, it might pop the delusional bubble in the Clinton Campaign, and someone might tells her that the emperoris has no clothes.

Declaration of Independent Democrats

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for the people of a political party to make a Pledge that on November 4, 2008, I will only vote for the candidate that wins the most pledged delegates in the Democratic nomination process of 2008. If through an undemocratic act of arrogance the party leadership or Super Delegates override the will of the pledged delegates and not offer the legitimate winner of all the pledged delegates as the parties nominee, I will only vote for the legitimate winner of the pledged delegates as a Write In Candidate on November 4, 2008. This pledge is made as an act of moral conscious in the name of justice, honor, liberty and democracy. A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that we should declare the causes which impel us to sign this Declaration of Independent Democrats Pledge.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all women and men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness along with the right to collectively determine the nominee of our party based on the popular vote of each and every member within our party. There is no place for the elitist undemocratic institution of a Super Delegate in the Democratic Party, for we are the party of and by the people.

The purpose of this pledge is to stop Senator Hillary Clinton from leading the Democrat Party into a suicide charge of spin and hype that dishonestly will perpetrate an undemocratic and Un-American disenfranchisement of the loyal Democrat voters that participated in ALL the Democrat Primaries and Caucuses. In simple terms, we don't want Senator Clinton to do the same thing to us that George W. Bush did to us in 2000; steel the election.

This is not a threat, it is a serious pledge and before making this pledge really ask yourself if you intend to back it up.

This is not a strategic pledge it is a moral one that is meant to inform the corrupt and arrogant powerful within the Democratic Party that we the people will not put up with anything but a legitimates democratic out come in the picking of the Democrat Party's Nominee for the President of the United States. To be consistent with the morality of fairness Florida and Michigan must be redone, allowing a fair competition. This actually benefits Senator Clinton by giving her more potential elected delegates to try and win to over come Senator Obama's delegate lead. This is honorable and legitimate and fair.

With regard to the extremely undemocratic existence of the Super Delegates, this should be the last election that Super Delegates take part in. The Democratic Party needs to really be a party of the people and abolish the Super Delegates after this election. Sadly in this election the Super Delegates have to determine the future of the Democratic Party, so they seriously need to consider the impact of this pledge and the impact of their actions!

George Miles

[WeCanStopMcCain.org]

93. JESUS CHRIST WAS A HARD CORE LIBERAL

I am not a religious person, but I have read all 4 gospels. Although Jesus supposedly never wrote a book himself, the accounts of what he had to say are remarkably similar. Here is what he did not say. He did not say that if you do not believe that I died for your sins you will burn in hell fire for all eternity. He did not say that the only correct religion in the eyes of God was Christianity, he himself being a Jew.

Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever met a Jew who believes that his path is the only true way. Maybe that is where Jesus got his universal acceptance of all people from. In fact, nowhere in the gospels does he say that we should make laws against gay people or anyone else that makes us uncomfortable. I seem to recall him instead saying something like, “Judge not that you not be judged” and “Whoever is without sin cast the first stone”.

Yes, as far as I can tell, his message was quite simple. He promoted brotherly love, the realization that whatever you do to anyone you are doing to yourself and to God. Everyone is God’s child, and if you judge or harm any of them, you are doing this to God.

Now, given Christ’s temper when it came to showing up at temples and kicking over the table, I get the impression that Jesus the Christ was a man of passion and principals. I am pretty sure that if he were living today, and turned on Fox News, and saw O’Reilly spewing his hatred and Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a “faggot” that he would probably get up and kick the TV in. What would probably really piss him off are all these televangelists telling us to who hate in his name. Yes, Jerry Falwell’s “Moral Majority” would have been an organization he would have distanced himself from. I also think that whole kicking things over bit he would probably do in the lobby of Pat Robertson’s studios for “The 700 Club”.

Jesus was a hardcore dude. He lived by his principals and constantly told his followers to be tolerant, feed the poor and love each person as you would love yourself. What this nation needs now is a leader with a streak of those qualities in him.

I recently watched a speech on YouTube over and over a few time times. It was given by a man who claims to be a devout Christian himself. This man is constantly being accused of being a Muslim because of his race and his funny name. But apparently he attends this place called “Trinity Church of Christ” and even wrote about it in a book. This man is also, by the way, is running for the Presidency of the United States.

So in this speech, this man said something that at first I wasn’t sure if I agreed with. He said, “I am my brother’s keeper. If my neighbor is suffering, I am suffering. If my neighbor is sick or living I poverty, then I too am sick and living in poverty.”

I thought about Jesus Christ and wondered where he would stand on that. What would he have to say. Would he be “Conservative”? Would he oppose the killing of over 1 million people in Iraq, half of them children? Would he be concerned about the poverty and suffering of other people but then say, “Hey, keep your hands off of my money. That’s their problem. My money is mine. Mine!” Would Jesus say, “I know McCain wants to lead this country into more wars, but I must vote for him because saving money on my taxes is more frankly more important than innocent human lives?” Would Jesus be a conservative?

I say he’d be a bleeding heart Liberal. Yes, that “L” word that a.m. talk radio has trained us all to despise and to think of as wimpy and lame and frankly just uncool.

Somehow I think that the guy who coined the phrase, “Love your neighbor as yourself” would not be able to get behind the Iraq war or the next war that McCain can’t wait to get started. I don’t think he’d like the government or being taxed, but I think he’d put caring for others over caring for his own wad of cash. It seems to me that that was the cornerstone of his teachings. It also seems to me that Barack Obama echoes this in every speech he gives and every piece of legislation he either promotes or votes against.

Would Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter have been Jesus’ disciples? I don’t think they’d have the stomach for it. And what about George W. Bush, the man responsible for the deaths of 1.1 million Iraqis, half of them innocent children? Jesus would certainly accept him unconditionally, but old Dubya wouldn’t have the time or the tolerance for such a bleeding heart liberal. It would get in the way of all his plans.

So when I was watching all of these speeches on YouTube and listening to Barack Obama, I was really struck, seriously it really touched my heart when he said, “There is not a conservative America and a Liberal America. There is not a black America and a White America. There is not a Gay America and a Straight America. There is the United States of America”. I was practically moved to tears. He didn’t have to remind the audience, by the way, that he was giving them any straight talk. He just spoke from his heart.

Here is a man who expects more of us than we expect of ourselves. He seeks to unify instead of divide. He seeks to heal instead of to kill. He represents everything it means to be an American and is, by far, the most “Christ-like” candidate running for President today.

Barack has never gone for the cheap shot. He always takes the high road. Whatever he lacks in experience, like JFK or Roosevelt, he makes up for it in his idealism, in his belief in the goodness of human nature and in his ability unite and inspire. I’m pretty sure that if Jesus Christ were alive in November of this year, he would cast his vote for his committed disciple, for the one who most walks the talk and lives by the values of acceptance and brotherly love. There is no doubt about it, Jesus Christ would vote for Barack Obama.

- Eric Allen Bell

www.WeCanStopMcCain.org

[mac56]

98. "There is no doubt about it, Jesus Christ would vote for Barack Obama"

Unbelievable.

This is probably the most absurdly arrogant comment I've ever seen posted on DU.

And no, I'm not a Hillary supporter.

[Hersheygirl]

110. Well, since you are so knowledgable

who do think Jesus would vote for?

[mac56]

111. Joking, right?

You really presume to suggest whom Jesus would vote for?!

Dear Lord, protect me from your fan club.

[knight_of_the_star]

147. Does it matter?

Why the fuck does it matter who would Jesus vote for? He has been dead for close to 2,000 years and is busy doing other things at the moment, and I for one feel it is incredibly sacreligious for ANYONE to say that this or that divinity supports them. If Jesus wants to show His support then He can handle it himself, just like how I'm not saying Odin favored Edwards because honestly I think He could show such an endorsement Himself without me saying so.

[ForeignSpectator]

113. Might be but one thing's for damn certain, he would not vote for mccain or Clinton...

which tends to become the same.

[Name removed]

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[EnviroBat]

106. That did it for me...

I was on the fence until seeing this today, but I can't take her fake-ass scripted bullshit anymore. I'm supporting Obama all the way. I will donate to his campaign today, and next month, and next month, and the next... She's a slime ball, typical dirty politician, and I've had enough of the right-wing smear tactics. I wish she'd just shut the fuck up, but she won't. I'll take the next best thing... Obama will WIN!

[swag]

116. Awful. Another $50 for Barack from me.

Obama was exactly right in the run-up to the war, and she and John McCain went along with some very transparent lies.

[Deep13]

117. Pointing out that McC has better qualifications on paper than Obama...

...when everyone knows that anyway does the Dem. party an important service. It lets us know that we may be walking into an impossible situation in November. This gives voters a chance to change their minds if they haven't had a primary yet and it gives Obama practice at deflecting the allegations.

The only way this is offensive is if you already believe that the sun shines out of Obama's ass and that any criticism no matter how sensible is a personal insult and a blaspheme against an icon.

[swag]

120. Unfortunately for her and McCain, their "experiences" in national security

include going along with a lot of transparent lies and supporting a hugely disastrous and absolutely unnecessary war.

They should have listened to the inexperienced guy's 2002 speech:

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

[Deep13]

121. I'll stipulate that HC voted for war authorization.

I think we all know that anyway.

[Bretttido]

133. She is propping up the Republican nominee against Obama with lies

Unless you really think the ONLY expierience Obama has had in his entire lifetime is a speech in 2002?

[LaurenG]

140. You never help the enemy, and she has done that.

So what if McCain is more qualified, he's more qualified than she is as well. She should mind her words because I guarantee you they WILL bite her in the backside before this is over. :shrug:

[mod mom]

118. Her lifetime of experience: Screwing the people & promoting the powerful @ Rose Law Firm?

Clintons(both)-Jackson Stephens-Rose Law Firm

[info being]

119. Screw her

[Name removed]

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[jonnyb]

134. I agree

I agree with Megahurtz. If Hillary is the nominee, I'll sit this one out in Nov.

[cadmium]

135. This is the real Clinton. We have been

treated to the policy wonk Clinton, the Race-baiting Clinton, the teary Clinton, and the generous loving closing statement Clinton.

What the past week of Clinton negative ads and innuendo reveals that they care more about being in charge than anything else. I am sure that the Clintons would rather have McCain or Bush in the White House than any non-Clinton Democrat.

Like Randi Rhodes says on her radio show "When they show you who they are - believe them".

[Lena inRI]

136. Hillary has FOOT-IN-MOUTH disease. . .

repeating the same political faux pas over and over again because she's not realizing the effect of her words. She's parroting some political hack's advice on what to say to get elected.

So I don't care how many "flag officers" endorse her or how many years of "being in the White House" she has. . .I don't want her anywhere near a negotiating table.

Obama has the judgment I want for the next POTUS.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[shenmue]

139. "She seriously needs to shut the fuck up with this." Nice going...

:puke:

Seriously, do you have anything to offer besides taking things out of context and vile insults?

Look at the rest of this thread. Frothing-at-the-mouth garbage.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Thank goodness actual voters are not falling for your twist-and-rant strategy. Distort something, repeat it at high volume and you'll... really embarrass yourselves again and again.

Does this have anything to do with the fact that you got your ass kicked in three states?

This couldn't be more "spin" if you put it on a turntable.

Go play with Karl Rove because that is all you will be able to do in a few months.

[davidwparker]

143. I'm going to endorse Nader over Hillary if she keeps this up. She won't

win my state anyhow. A nomination of Hillary is a loss of me state in the GE.

[Politicalboi]

145. Hillary 08

Married to experience.

[empire we are]

148. There was a time in the very recent past

that I thought the democratic party would finally grasp and articulate genuine concern for the VAST majority... you know who, schleps worth less than the magic amount... wealth that can influence and determine government mandate and advantage.

Obama's voting record casts doubt, but his words hold faint promise.

Clinton has shown her true beliefs. The wants of Wealth overrides all. Ego matters, but the wants of power and wealth always dominates.

[Thepricebreaker]

149. Love those sound bytes.. OMG.. What is she doing?