Help with list: What has Bush done that's not conservative or Christian

[prolesunited]

I'm having a disagreement with someone who maintains Bush is a Christian and a conservative/Republican.

My point is that he is neither and continually violates core tenets of these ideologies. I would like to make a list of specific examples, so naturally, I thought I would turn to the brain trust here to help.

So, please help me out here. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had the same argument with "true believers," so this would help us all.

[cdb]

1. war isn't christian, is it?

racking up a massive deficit isn't conservative

[unblock]

2. the opposite list would be much shorter

i can't think of a damn thing he's done that's either christian or conservative, and i'll throw in "compassionate" for free.
maybe he's at least GONE to church a few times, although they probably left before his skin started smoking too much.

[CottonBear]

3. Borrowed more $ than all other presidents combined.

Mocked a Texas woman (Karla Tucker) on death row who asked for a stay of execution.

Killed over 30,000 Iraqi civilians and possibly up to 100,000.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Largest deficit in our country's history

Growth in the size of government
The wars overseas (conservatives have traditionally been ones who don't want foreign entanglements)
Those are things Bush has done that are NOT conservative. If your acquaintance disagrees, maybe you need to let him know what traditional conservative values are.

As for Christian-oh my-
Cutting benefits for the poor ("Blessed are the poor")
Letting Katrina victims die as he played around ("Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do unto Me"
Starting a war ("Blessed are the peacemakers")
Making a big display of his piety. (Don't make a big display of your prayers, that's what the hypocrites do; Christians retire to their closets and pray where only God sees them-don't recall the exact quote, but these are the words of Jesus).

[Doubting Thomas]

5. WWJB

It was on a bumper sticker:

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

[blm]

6. His economic policy enriches the wealthy and forces the poor to accept low

wages for longer work hours. Not just the poor, but the entire working class is working harder for less pay and benefits.

[DanCa]

7. His church is not for the war the pope called him the anti christ.

Yet I guess where money lies honor dies.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Good Christians ...

... don't condone, much less encourage torture.

They also don't wage war (Iraq) that devastates the entire infra-structure of a nation (i.e. clean water supplies, electricity, demolished homes, schools, hospitals, etc.) and then walk away from the obligation to un-do the damage.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. I would ask the 'someone' to name exactly what Bush has done

in the name of Christ. I would also ask how running up more debt than any other President, expanding government by 25% in 5 years, issuing a slew of unfunded mandatory commitments to the states while arguing against state initiatives (right-to-die laws for example), and nation-building could be considered conservative.

[Canuckistanian]

10. He's cetainly not a fiscal conservative

Oh, he's got the tax cuts, but only for the rich.

Other than that, he's a drunken sailor, spending money before he even knows what it's supposed to be for.

And things like high trade deficits and foreign owned debt are supposed to be bad for fiscal conservatives.

Shrub just doesn't care.

[sasha031]

11. tell the person to do something new and unusual

pick up a book and read Jimmy Carters new book "Our Endangered Values"

[prolesunited]

13. Actually, I want to read that book

We're on the waiting list at the library.

[Avalux]

12. Tens of thousands of dead Iraqis for a war of choice

That should be about it. A real Christian could never justify killing so many innocent people for corporate greed.

[jwirr]

14. Bush lied and soldiers died.

[Bake]

15. Just to make it easy .... EVERYTHING

Everything * has done has run counter to genuine conservative and Christian principles.

Bake

[arcane1]

16. I'm curious- what has he done that IS christian?

:hi:

[prolesunited]

18. Hey there, stranger!

:hi:

Almost forgot, one guy posts a picture of his Christmas card that contains a Bible verse. :eyes:

So, who's got some verses on actions vs. deeds?

[arcane1]

19. and getting stranger...

well, without a specific policy in mind, I know Bush tends to piss upon the poor quite a bit

lying isn't a very christian thing to do either, I suppose.

[dusmcj]

17. here's a few

said that gays can't marry - that's not Christian, only God can judge.
used the Constitution for toilet paper - that's not conservative
handed control of US foreign policy over to a Likud PAC (agents of a foreign power, PNAC) - that's not conservative
lied about reasons for going to war - that's not Christian
involved the US in foreign entanglements - that's not conservative

[antonialee839]

20. How about what has he done that is conservative or Christian?

It would make it so much easier on those of us with carpal tunnel.