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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:30 AM
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A coworker of mine saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the first time last weekend
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 02:36 AM by VolcanoJen
She came into work with all sorts of questions. She said how angry she was, and how her husband was even more so... both abstained from voting in 2004. Back then, she was truly repulsed by all the election discussion.

Tonight, she said, "I always heard it was so biased, and how everything was faked. They showed every one of those people, and it was all real. Nothing was faked. It was from his point of view, but it was real. And that movie is old!! That was, like, how many years ago! Look at what's happened since!"

She couldn't stop talking about it. I was amazed, and just kind of stood there with my mouth open.

Wow. DVDs are forever.

edited - Dan Quayle taught me how to spelle
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:33 AM
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1. "Both abstained from voting in 2004"
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:35 AM
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2. I'm sayin
:think:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:38 AM
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3. It's like the nation is slowly coming awake
Very slowly. Like a hibernating beer waking up with a hangover.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:43 AM
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4. Well...I've got news for them!
They're late for fucking work! Get up, already!

Peace.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:45 AM
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6. Way'at fooj!
:hug:


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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:49 AM
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10. People like this are at fault...
for letting our country slip into fascism. Unbelievable. “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:54 AM
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14. Is there a "better late than never" clause, though?
I'd rather have her on my side, right now...
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:17 AM
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17. No, you are blaming the VICTIMS, purduejake !
"People like that" are working 50 hours a week
just to pay the rent and the grocer....

"People like that" work 3 jobs per couple,
just to maintain a standard of living that BOTH their fathers maintained
with a single blue-collar job.

"People like that" depend upon the 'Nightly News'
and the 'Local Paper' to tell them about things which actually MATTER.

"People like that" have been BETRAYED at every turn,
by everyone they ever trusted.

"People like that" are pretty fucking ANGRY
when they catch the smallest hint of the TRUTH.

"People like that" are slowly waking up,
and if we welcome them properly,
they will never vote "R" again.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:56 AM
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18. Beautifully written.
"People like that" are slowly waking up,
and if we welcome them properly,
they will never vote "R" again.



I really appreciate your signature too. That Andy Stephenson. What an incredible person.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:04 PM
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21. Applause, Applause!
That's excellent, dicksteele. Excellent.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:53 AM
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11. It does seem like it
Which I am thankful for thank goodness. Now if all these people get out and vote in the midterms we can take back Congress and get the bastards!!
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:21 AM
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20. Is that a brown or
blond one--beer that is? SG :evilgrin:
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:43 AM
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5. Wow!
Everyone really need to see 9/11... I was shocked and very angry after I saw the movie.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:47 AM
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8. "Never give up! Never surrender!"
:D :hi:


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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:55 AM
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12. Yes
I got my grandmother on my Mom's side to see it. She already was going to vote for Kerry (and did, she saw it after the election) and was baffled and so was my Mom. Now my other grandmother is doubtful of Bush so next time we see her I'm going to try to take the film and get her and my dad to watch it.
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zapp Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:47 AM
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7. at least they woke up.
Even if it's now. Now, get them to channel that anger!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:49 AM
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9. I think what really zings to the heart of...
... ordinary working people is the clip of Bush saying to the fatcats, "it's nice to be back with the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite, but I call you my base."

It's so at odds with what they're used to hearing from Bush on the news that it's additionally shocking. It truly homes in on the real Bush and the contrast is so extreme that it both shocks and infuriates the people who were sucked in by the corn-pone, down-home routines that are so familiar to them.

Good to see they thought to check it out.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:58 AM
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16. That's exactly the line she kept quoting!
She kept saying "He said 'Haves, and have mores. I call you my base.'"

Sure, it was meant to be all funny ha-ha at the time. But she got the wink. Five years later, she got the wink.

I think there's hope... I think she proved it to me.

Lend your coworkers your copy of F911. Now, more than ever.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:39 AM
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13. Arghh!
And you're from Ohio that too of all places!

It's too bad she didn't know how important it was BEFORE the election. Well, she and her husband will have to get to the polls this November to get rid of the senator and governor (and congressman if he's a puke) from your state...And they're both very vulnerable. It won't be making up for missing '04, but it'll be a good start!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:57 AM
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15. When my mom saw it, she called me from a payphone in the mall.
She was so mad, she couldn't even drive.

And she said,"Now I see what you mean. They did steal it."

It was amazing.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:30 PM
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28. I had the same experience with my mom
She didn't want to discuss everything that had been going on the last few years, it was too scary for her to face the truth, I guess. She thought that I was exaggerating, that it wasn't as bad as I thought, I mean this is America, how could it be that bad, not after Vietnam. She thought.
And then she watched F 9/11. She apologized to me, so angry she sounded like she could cry. My mum always listens to me in the end. :)
So she will be voting next time. That's for sure.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:05 AM
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19. I am always shocked that these people do not want the fighting.
How the hell do they think we got here in the first place? We are pretty nice in what we say about the 'others' now from what I have read about the start of this country. Some of us did not like to be ruled by a mad king and his crazy children. Those that did left. I guess the ones that could not leave stayed and became people who wanted to be ruled by the rich families. Not sure about that part but all of them could not have left.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:17 PM
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22. our public library still has a long list to take out the DVD ...
I ended up buying two spare copies for them, because some people have been waiting for months.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:23 PM
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23. That was incredibly thoughtful of you!
As a matter of fact, my coworker checked out her copy from the library.

Libraries need more copies... I think you've just inspired me, Lisa!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:33 PM
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24. the librarians tell me that they are lucky to get 50-60 "take outs" ...
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 01:34 PM by Lisa
.... from a DVD before it requires major repair. The level of use is so high that the things just wear out. I was amazed to hear that VHS tapes (now being phased out in our library system) actually last longer under the same conditions. Oh, well.

It's kind of you to think of donating, VolcanoJen! DVDs rival hardcover books in cost, and the libraries often can't afford to buy a copy for each branch in a city ...

I would suggest getting in touch with a particular librarian, who may be able to help rush any donated DVDs through cataloguing. And may also have some suggestions for what they especially want ... I try to mix my political donations with popular films too (although I tend to support artists like Johnny Depp and Martin Sheen!) -- so far there have been no objections from the library board, since the librarians go to bat for me. We are now working on getting more Rick Steves travel DVDs -- my contact at our local branch is a big-time progressive, the shop steward for the library union, and a travel nut! She was really upset to find that some right-wingers are boycotting Steves for criticizing Bush's foreign policy. So we're going to support him with a big order.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:44 PM
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26. I'll follow your advice!
I've always had a jones for the library. Before the internet, I would spend my entire weekend there, sometimes. Now I just go to get novels, but I have a friendly rapport with a favorite librarian there, so I'll talk to her about donating next time I'm in.

I adore Rick Steves and found his books so useful during my last trip to Europe. I had no idea the wingnuts have targeted him, too. :wtf:
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:59 PM
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27. we won the "West Wing" battle at our branch!
A number of library patrons had been requesting more TV shows on DVD. The central library was resisting -- they complained about the cost (true enough, since those boxed sets can be expensive). But after I brought in my new West Wing set as a donation, they changed their tune to "they're hard to catalogue". So the librarian picked up the phone and reminded them that we stock BBC and CBC fiction shows, some of which are nowhere near as good ... and that it's an Emmy-winning show which is very popular here in Canada ... and that there was no way she was going to turn away $60 worth of DVDs when 95% of the branch collection is out or on hold at any given time!

We found out this morning that Central caved in. Thanks to the librarian's persistence, they've ordered all the West Wing seasons -- one complete set for themselves, and Seasons 1-4 for our branch. The staff are going around high-fiving each other, because they know that this will boost circulation -- something the library board looks at when they consider budget and staff allocations.

Here is a link to the social activism page by Rick Steves ... check out his letter to the editor, about the flag!

http://www.ricksteves.com/about/pressroom/activism/activism_menu.htm
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:39 PM
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25. I hear there's another election coming up this year
Maybe instead of scoring these folks for failing to vote in 2004 which is long past retrieval (and I admit that I'm a bit frustrated by their earlier indolence), we could do things to secure their votes come November?
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