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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:52 AM
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US stage mock Iran Invasion with our best pals (the brits)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:55 AM
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1. Didn't the U.S. lose a mock game to Iraq just prior to the invasion?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:58 AM
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3. I was unaware of that...

But, I wouldn't be surprised.

We have already war-gamed going into Iran with the outcome of 'no viable military solution'.

But, reality seems to be a non-factor in making decisions for this adminstration.

Surreal.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:41 AM
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11. They've kind of cleaned the way it went up....but if you read it all
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:53 AM
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12. Yup....
I don't have the URL, but this was in my ancient files.
- - - -

Wake-up call

If the US and Iraq do go to war, there can only be one winner, can't there? Maybe not. This summer, in a huge rehearsal of just such a conflict - and with retired Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper playing Saddam - the US lost. Julian Borger asks the former marine how he did it

Friday September 6, 2002

The Guardian
At the height of the summer, as talk of invading Iraq built in Washington like a dark, billowing storm, the US armed forces staged a rehearsal using over 13,000 troops, countless computers and $250m. Officially, America won and a rogue state was liberated from an evil dictator.
What really happened is quite another story, one that has set alarm bells ringing throughout America's defence establishment and raised questions over the US military's readiness for an Iraqi invasion. In fact, this war game was won by Saddam Hussein, or at least by the retired marine playing the Iraqi dictator's part, Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper.
In the first few days of the exercise, using surprise and unorthodox tactics, the wily 64-year-old Vietnam veteran sank most of the US expeditionary fleet in the Persian Gulf, bringing the US assault to a halt.
What happened next will be familiar to anyone who ever played soldiers in the playground. Faced with an abrupt and embarrassing end to the most expensive and sophisticated military exercise in US history, the Pentagon top brass simply pretended the whole thing had not happened. They ordered their dead troops back to life and "refloated" the sunken fleet. Then they instructed the enemy forces to look the other way as their marines performed amphibious landings. Eventually, Van Riper got so fed up with all this cheating that he refused to play any more. Instead, he sat on the sidelines making abrasive remarks until the three-week war game - grandiosely entitled Millennium Challenge - staggered to a star-spangled conclusion on August 15, with a US "victory".
If the Pentagon thought it could keep its mishap quiet, it underestimated Van Riper. A classic marine - straight-talking and fearless, with a purple heart from Vietnam to prove it - his retirement means he no longer has to put up with the bureaucratic niceties of the defence department. So he blew the whistle.
His driving concern, he tells the Guardian, is that when the real fighting starts, American troops will be sent into battle with a set of half-baked tactics that have not been put to the test.
"Nothing was learned from this," he says. "A culture not willing to think hard and test itself does not augur well for the future." The exercise, he says, was rigged almost from the outset.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:18 AM
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14. Thank you Bigmack, if ya posted earlier ya wouldn'd save me
me some searching time. LOL!! Thank you man!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:57 AM
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2. The U.S. and Britain are the only Coalition of the Willing members...
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 08:00 AM by marmar
who still seem to be "willing." ....

To our British DUers, I'd be interested to know how this news is playing in the U.K.? What's the public reaction to it?
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:06 AM
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6. The British media think that the likelihood of significant UK involvement
is very low. There is much more Cabinet opposition (including Jack Straw) and Blair might not still be PM in a year's time.
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SoftUnderbelly Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:34 AM
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9. well
the chances of britain being involved against iran in a first strike are about zero. if the us attacks and british troops in iraq are attacked because of it, then it would be the end of uncle tony IMO.

having said that, blair's been wading through shit for years and none of it has stuck yet.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:39 AM
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10. I wonder how Russia and China will respond...
If an invasion does take place.

They aren't keen on Iran having nukes, so there is a real problem afoot.

But they aren't keen on us either. Or so we're told.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:02 AM
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4. Its an old event. We needn't help with saber rattling
I rather suspect the British military is very much less a proponent of landing in Iran than they were 2 years ago.

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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:03 AM
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5. The beginning of the end !
Iam not one of those people who is always saying the end is coming near ,however this stuff is starting to scare me ! Not for myself as much as for my two young children ,what kind of world wil they get from us ,one where peace comtinued making its natural advnancement along with the advancement of human rights and the realazation that war only bring death and destruction ? Or a war with multible wars in many areas ,and more and more nukes floatin around till someone uses one of them setting off a chain reaction. Why are all of the sane people in this world letting all these extremist have control, and that includes the U.S. ! How on Earth would GWB fight a war with Iran when we are already short on man power in Iraq and other parts of thte mid-east ! This is all maddness, that makes me wish a President,who's ability to bring two sides of a arguement together for the common good ,our last great President Clinton ,would never have us in the mess we are now in ,from the war to out economy ! Please lets fast foward the next few years and get the nut job out of the W/H !
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:15 AM
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7. We need a hololab like on Star Trek.
Put Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in there and let them have all the wars they want. It would keep them busy and then maybe the rest of the world could actually get to work on solving some problems.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:17 AM
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8. Oh, you crazy Conspiracy Theorists! When will you learn...
that our government never lies! :sarcasm:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:58 AM
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13. What a misleading headline
US Bush regime stages mock Iran Invasion with our its best pals (the brits) (Blair)

Let's get the handles right.
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