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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:05 PM
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Poll question: Do you adhere to the possibility of CIA drug trafficking?
In other words, do you believe in the concept of a 'shadow government' in which the CIA is involved with global drug trade to fund covert operation(s)?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:07 PM
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1. Yes. With 100% metaphysical certitude
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:29 PM
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37. lol
;-)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:10 PM
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2. yes... something similar inspired Heller to write Catch-22
think MM Enterprises. ;-)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:10 PM
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3. What? Guys who commit murder might traffic drugs?
Perish the thought. We all know the goons..er, patriots..at CIA are all noble humanitarians.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:11 PM
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4. Where do you think the monkey* gets it's coke?
He ain't popping that hula jaw for nothing.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:12 PM
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5. Possibility? duh, remeber Iran/Costra affair?!!
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:14 PM
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7. I only posed the question in that manner to include both viewpoints
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:16 PM
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32. One viewpoint is clearly false...
As there is evidence out there supporting the other "view"

Drugs... the best way to fund black ops...
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:15 PM
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8. That is what I was going to say
Already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:12 PM
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6. It was already proven to be so.
But, those agents involved are Bush loyalists - loyal to the goals of the BFEE, not the rank and file CIA agents loyal to this country.

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astonamous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:16 PM
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9. "Ray Charlse could see that". n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:25 PM
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11. CIA-Drugs
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=drugs+CIA&btnG=Google+Search

The CIA is not in the business of maintaining Democracies. The CIA's business is to keep Capitalism, mainly Amerika's Multi-Corps, as the dominant force on this planet.

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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:22 PM
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10. Who said NO?
Maybe they're a freeper, maybe they're delusional, or maybe they're both :)
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:57 PM
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14. I'm one of the people who said no.
Just not into the whole tin-foil hat theory thing, I guess.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:24 PM
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17. it's a proven fact, see the Iran/Contra hearings
why do you have 666 postcount LOL?
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:27 PM
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18. Wow, I didn't even notice the post count.
I'm past it now.

As for the poll and the question above, I was thinking more of the "CIA is selling crack in poor, black neighborhoods" theory, not Iran/Contra. On that note, however, I will freely admit that I'm not well-read on the Iran/Contra subject.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:36 PM
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21. 'Contra drugs' did make it to in poor black neighborhoods
via the CIA.

see "Crack The CIA" www.gnn.tv/videos/video.php?id=1
There's footage of John Kerry at the Iran/Contra hearings in there.

It gets interesting once you realize that there are both bad guys and good guys within the CIA and other agencies (ie leakers, whistleblowers).

Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:23 PM
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34. Okay yeah sure...
CIA agents were not out on the street pushing rock... but the crack epidemic may have been a direct result of CIA trafficking operations.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:31 PM
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39. You might want to read this...
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:45 PM
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23. Individuals versus the agency.

I don't believe the Iran-Contra hearings showed that the agency was complicit. Didn't it find that individuals hired to fly the guns down to the Contras took advantage of their CIA protection on the empty return trips to smuggle drugs for their personal enrichment?


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:03 PM
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25. You are correct. Not the CIA as such,
but elements within.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:19 PM
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33. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention...
This isn't tinfoil hat Masonic Illuminati speculation... its a certifiable ugly truth.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:26 PM
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12. Sibel knows
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:44 PM
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13. if you want really good blow nothing beats their product.
Just kidding, I wouldn't know.
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:07 PM
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15. Michael
Rupert documents this rather thoroughly.....


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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:51 PM
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31. Is he the reporter that was "suicided" last year?
There was a West Coast reporter that "killed himself" last year that had done a lot of work on the entire CIA drug connection.

I can't remember his name right now. Was that Rupert?



Laura
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:30 PM
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38. Gary Webb.
see post below.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:34 PM
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40. No, Gary Webb died last year. n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:21 PM
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16. Gary Webb Dark Alliance
For Gary Webb, this should have been "the Big One," the story that leads to the Pulitzer, fame and ...cont'd
—James Adams, The New York Times Book Review

Description

Gary Webb was a cherished friend of ours, and one of the best investigative reporters we've ever known. He attacked stories with a unique blend of zeal and skepticism. Gary had no axe to grind, and typically Gary himself didn't fully believe in his own stories until he'd finished them. If he could overcome his own skepticism then he'd done his job. Anything less than that would have been unworthy of him, and he was incapable of lowering his standards, although he must have been tempted sometimes. It is important to note that the objections to the "Dark Alliance" series were obscure and unsubstantiated, and that when the book Dark Alliance was published it was highly praised not only in the alternative press but also in the mainstream media-including several of the same publications, such as the Washington Post, that had earlier attacked Webb for sloppy journalism. That Gary was vilified on Page One of the New York Times and the Washington Post is something many people still remember. That both papers ultimately treated Webb's book with due respect is forgotten. That Webb's own newspaper distanced itself from the "Dark Alliance" story is remembered. That the Justice Department's formal internal investigation largely confirmed Webb's own conclusions is hardly mentioned. That Webb won a Pulitzer Prize as part of a team reporting on the aftermath of the San Francisco earthquake is another salient fact that hasn't been mentioned in many of the obituaries being published in newspapers across the country. Gary never got over having been betrayed by many of his own peers. He knew his work was deserving of their respect. He knew he was one of the best. It baffled him that other newspapers didn't pick up and run with the CIA-Contras-Crack Cocaine story after he'd busted it wide open. And it puzzled him that even after all his awards-even after newspapers of record wrote in their reviews of his book that it specifically put to rest the earlier allegations against him-he'd remained something of an outcast. Gary had a great time writing Dark Alliance. For awhile we had daily phone meetings to review drafts of the text chapter by chapter. The only time that was possible for Gary was at the end of his work day, so I'd call him at around 6:00 p.m. Pacific Time, which was 9:00 p.m. for me, and we'd go for two or three hours. For both of us this meant shutting doors on our families and after a couple weeks we were weary of spending our evenings this way. But that didn't change how fantastic our process was. Over and over Gary said what a joy it was to have an editor who kept asking him to write more, after all the years having to continually cut back his copy length for space considerations at the newspapers where he'd worked. And often when I queried him about a specific fact, I'd get back a fresh story and new characters that were riveting. Dark Alliance isn't a short book, but one thing I learned in those conversations was that in order to write it Gary had had to go so deeply into the worlds he was writing about that he'd found enough material for ten books, and that part of what made him so good was that he understood you've always got to get more material than you'll ever be able to use. Often newspaper writers have trouble transitioning to books. Gary was such a skilled writer on the page that he took to writing his first book with a natural ease and would have written many more. Seven Stories and FAIR will co-host a memorial celebration of Gary Webb's life and work in late January, date and place to be announced. - Daniel Simon, Publisher Seven Stories Press

Read Gary's introduction to Censored 1999.
Read Gary's timeline of the events in Dark Alliance.

Robert Parry on Gary. Jeff Cohen on Gary. Dark Alliance is a book that should be fiction, whose characters seem to come straight out of central casting: the international drug lord, Norwin Meneses; the Contra cocaine broker with an MBA in marketing, Danilo Blandon; and the illiterate teenager from the inner city who rises to become the king of crack, "Freeway" Ricky Ross. But unfortunately, these characters are real and their stories are true.

In August 1996, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb stunned the world with a series of articles in the San Jose Mercury News reporting the results of his year-long investigation into the roots of the crack cocaine epidemic in America, specifically in Los Angeles. The series, titled "Dark Alliance," revealed that for the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to Los Angeles street gangs and funneled millions in drug profits to the CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contras.

more...

http://www.sevenstories.com/book/index.cfm/GCOI/58322100705890

Gary Webb, RIP
No thanks to the L.A. Times
by Marc Cooper


Webb: Pursued truth at all costs.
(Photo by Larry Dalton)


First the L.A. Times helped kill off Gary Webb’s career. Then, eight years later, after Webb committed suicide this past weekend, the Times decided to give his corpse another kick or two, in a scandalous, self-serving and ultimately shameful obituary. It was the culmination of the long, inglorious saga of a major newspaper dropping the ball journalistically, and then extracting relentless revenge on an out-of-town reporter who embarrassed it.

Webb was the 49-year-old former Pulitzer-winning reporter who in 1996, while working for the San Jose Mercury News, touched off a national debate with a three-part series that linked the CIA-sponsored Nicaraguan Contras to a crack-dealing epidemic in Los Angeles and other American cities.

A cold panic set in at the L.A. Times when Webb’s so-called Dark Alliance story first appeared. Just two years before, the Times had published a long takeout on local crack dealer Rickey Ross and no mention was made of his possible link to and financing by CIA-backed Contras. Now the Times feared it was being scooped in its own backyard by a second-tier Bay Area paper.

The Times mustered an army of 25 reporters, led by Doyle McManus, to take down Webb’s reporting. It was, apparently, more important to the Times to defend its own inadequate reporting on the CIA-drug connection than it was to advance Webb’s important work (a charge consistently denied by the Times). The New York Times and the Washington Post also joined in on the public lynching of Webb. Webb’s own editor, Jerry Ceppos, also helped do him in, with a public mea culpa backing away from his own paper’s stories.

more...

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/04/dissonance-cooper.php
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:34 PM
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19. In Gary's own words
<snip>

So, for the record, let me just say this right now. I do not believe--and I have never believed--that the crack-cocaine explosion was a conscious CIA conspiracy, or anybody’s conspiracy, to decimate black America. I’ve never believed that South Central Los Angeles was targeted by the U.S. government to become the crack capital of the world. But that isn’t to say that the CIA’s hands or the U.S. government’s hands are clean in this matter. Actually, far from it. After spending three years of my life looking into this, I am more convinced than ever that the U.S. government’s responsibility for the drug problems in South Central Los Angeles and other inner cities is greater than I ever wrote in the newspaper.

But it’s important to differentiate between malign intent and gross negligence. And that’s an important distinction, because it’s what makes premeditated murder different from manslaughter. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that you’ve got a body on the floor, and that’s what I want to talk about tonight, the body.

What I’ve attempted to demonstrate in my book was how the collapse of a brutal, pro-American dictatorship in Latin America, combined with a decision by corrupt CIA agents to raise money for a resistance movement by any means necessary, led to the formation of the nation’s first major crack market in South Central Los Angeles, which led to the arming and the empowerment of L.A.’s street gangs, which led to the spread of crack to black neighborhoods across the country and to the passage of racially discriminatory sentencing laws that are locking up thousands of young black men today behind bars for most of their lives.

But it’s not so much a conspiracy as a chain reaction. And that’s what the series and my whole book Dark Alliance is about, this chain reaction. ...

<more>

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=oid%3A32816
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:36 PM
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20. I believe "October Surprise" involved drugs...
The trial of Richard Brenneke, held April 24 to May 5 in Portland, Oregon, had enough solid news significance combined with tabloid sensationalism to have been the story of the month, maybe even the year. Funny, you could not read about it in the 'New York Times'.

Consider: The U.S. government literally takes a man into court direct from a cardiac intensive care ward to try him on charges of having falsely stated in another federal proceeding the following: That he, as a CIA contract operative, had taken part in meetings in Paris in October 1980 at which representatives of the Reagan-Bush campaign - including campaign director, and later CIA chief, William Casey; later George Bush security aid, Iran-contra figure, and now controversial U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, Donald Gregg; campaign foreign policy head and later National Security Adviser to Ronald Reagan, Richard Allen; and, possibly, George Bush himself - had treacherously bribed Iran not to surrender the 52 U.S. Embassy hostages it held to President Jimmy Carter's negotiators in order to guarantee Ronald Reagan's election.

Brenneke was also charged with having testified falsely that he had been involved with Gregg in the purchase of Soviet Bloc weapons for use by the Nicaraguan contras and that Gregg himself had countenanced drugs for weapons deals as part of the contra support operation. Conviction on any of the five counts could have cost Brenneke five years in prison.

Among the witnesses were such newsworthies as Gregg himself and Richard Allen. Also testifying were ex-CIA officer turned Agency critic, Frank Snepp; Secret Service agents; Customs Service undercover men; former Casey employees; and assorted colorful and controversial characters from the clandestine world. Among 19 witnesses called by the defense, and one for whom district judge Malcolm F. Marsh would not allow government funds to be used to bring to court, was ex-President Jimmy Carter. The case had almost everything except Donald trump.


http://www.csun.edu/CommunicationStudies/ben/news/octsurp.html
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:38 PM
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22. it's true
nuff said..
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:48 PM
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24. I don't know that it is going on now: I'm not inside the CIA
but I know they certainly have done this in the past, across the greater part of their 6 decades in existence. I know their predecessor orgs OSS and ONI didn't shy away from making friends in organized crime in Europe and of course money from drug trafficking would help form the financial basis of any state-intelligence/organized crime joint ventures.

I don't know of any reason to think that they wouldn't be doing it still, since it seems to be a practice that has a long institutional history at CIA, and since FBI gives them a pass on it--even officially!--and they never get into any real trouble.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:14 PM
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27. According to this, OSS was also into drugs.

Celebrating a Golden Anniversary:
50 Years of Drug Dealing by the CIA


PART I. THE HELLWELL DYNASTY
or HOW BURMA GOT ITS START



<snip>

But Spooks dealing drugs isn't a 90's thing. Our beloved agency busily flew heroin around Asia on the CIA proprietary airline AIR AMERICA during Viet Nam, and refined Hmong and Burmese poppy in Asian soft drink bottling factories, used the U.S. Mafioso MOB to distribute the drugs and banked millions in their own Bank which they later collapsed, stealing the receipts.

Just revealed: the sixties weren't the start of the CIA dealing poppy to ghettos. Colonel Paul Hellwell of the OSS brought heroin from Burma and sold it in U.S. ghettos as far back as the 40's, so Gary Webb is five decades late with his scoop! We are in a 50-year anniversary of something other than just Roswell aliens! The Hellwell Aliens also were gray men, that being the exact shade of their MORALS!

The heroin that the OSS dealt was grown in Burma, and refined in Shanghai. The OSS stumbled upon this import when they were in Asia with the Flying Tigers to stop MAO TSE TUNG from getting into power. Tigers were supposedly heroic civilian volunteers — John Wayne even played one in a movie, but this was just a lacquer job. The Tigers were OSS mercenaries paid for with OSS SECRET funds (at first, OLIGARCH money, later drug receipts). ALLEN DULLES was the brains behind the Tigers and the entire agency then. Dulles ran an inner clique at the OSS, what was to become Directorate of Covert Actions. Dulles was also very tight with the super-rich Eastern billionaire families (read Dulles' biography and read BITTER FRUIT by S. Kinzer which indicates oligarchs paid for dirty tricks). If you read up on it, you'll discover that Dulles ran secret wars out of the White House (not unlike Ollie North) and had a repressive agenda related to every banana republic that had nationalistic or socialist tendencies, which might get in the way of transnationalist corporative agendas.

The Flying Tigers were in China helping a General named Chiang Kai-Shek (nicknamed 'CASH MY CHECK' as behind our backs, he sold our guns to the Japs). Chiang was used in an attempt to destroy Mao. Of course, it couldn't be done and in 1949 they had to beat a fast retreat to Taiwan. Mao later stopped all poppy-dealing by making death a penalty for it. But before the end, Colonel Paul Hellwell, an Ivy leaguer, rich kid, observed how Chiang sold opium to Chinese addicts to earn revenues for guns and troops. The French saw the same thing going on in Vietnam when it was their colony. Dope and spooks kind of made terrific sense to Dulles. An intelligence service can't pay for underhanded illegal covert ops. Tax payers can't, Congress WON'T. Why should it be left to poor oligarchs to fund the secret fight? You have to think like the OSS. In their heads, the fight was patriotic...it was against nasty nationalists or dirty communists seeking to get nice YANKEE traders out so they could have their OWN industries. Actually nationalists called us Yankee IMPERIALISTS and felt we were out to exploit their banana republics and acted so much like Commies that we felt it was patriotic to rub them out. Why should oligarchs pay for their murder when blacks in U.S. ghettos would empty their pockets for drugs? And boy, did those nickles add up!

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/fifty.html
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:38 PM
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26. Hell Yeah! See Barry Seal and others!
Flew the stuff (cocaine) into Mena, Arkansas for the CIA. Iran Contra scheme.

Probably the only way that Clinton really got to be President, he didn't stick his nose in it when people knew damned well that it was going on!

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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:23 PM
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28. Let's put it this way -- Heroine & Cocaine were not in the patriot act.
Home made Meth was. Interesting.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:23 PM
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29. We traded arms for opium during the vietnam war.
That is where Ollie North met Richard Secord. Secord had an air transport called Air America. Later on after the war, his airline was called Southern Air. It was used as the carrier that resupplied the Contras.

BTW, we don't give weapons, we sell, or swap favors or commodities for those weapons.

A load Master during the Contra war wouldn't come out and say to me the air transports involved in the resupply were smuggling drugs. but he did say that airlines lose money "dead heading." "Dead Heading" means traveling empty, without cargo or passengers.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:33 PM
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30. Have you ever heard the song CIA Dope Calypso by Allen Ginsburg??
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 07:34 PM by hollowdweller

CIA Dope Calypso


In nineteen hundred forty-nine
China was won by Mao Tse-tung
Chiang Kai Shek's army ran away
They were waiting there in Thailand yesterday

Supported by the CIA

Pushing junk down Thailand way

First they stole from the Meo Tribes
Up in the hills they started taking bribes
Then they sent their soldiers up to Shan
Collecting opium to send to The Man

Pushing junk in Bangkok yesterday
Supported by the CIA

Brought their jam on mule trains down
To Chiang Mai that's a railroad town
Sold it next to the police chief's brain
He took it to town on the choochoo train
Trafficking dope to Bangkok all day
Supported by the CIA

The policeman's name was Mr. Phao
He peddled dope grand scale and how
Chief of border customs paid
By Central Intelligence's U.S. aid

The whole operation, Newspapers say
Supported by the CIA

He got so sloppy and peddled so loose
He busted himself and cooked his own goose
Took the reward for the opium load
Seizing his own haul which same he resold

Big time pusher for a decade turned grey
Working for the CIA

Touby Lyfong he worked for the French
A big fat man liked to dine & wench
Prince of the Meos he grew black mud
Till opium flowed through the land like a flood

Communists came and chased the French away
So Touby took a job with the CIA

The whole operation fell in to chaos
Till U.S. intelligence came in to Laos

Mary Azarian/Matt Wuerker I'll tell you no lie I'm a true American
Our big pusher there was Phoumi Nosavan

All them Princes in a power play
But Phoumi was the man for the CIA

And his best friend General Vang Pao
Ran the Meo army like a sacred cow
Helicopter smugglers filled Long Cheng's bars
In Xieng Quang province on the Plain of Jars

It started in secret they were fighting yesterday
Clandestine secret army of the CIA

All through the Sixties the dope flew free
Thru Tan Son Nhut Saigon to Marshall Ky
Air America followed through
Transporting comfiture for President Thieu

All these Dealers were decades and yesterday
The Indochinese mob of the U.S. CIA

Operation Haylift Offisir Wm Colby
Saw Marshall Ky fly opium Mr. Mustard told me
Indochina desk he was Chief of Dirty Tricks
"Hitch-hiking" with dope pushers was how he got his fix

Subsidizing the traffickers to drive the Reds away
Till Colby was the head of the CIA

Allen Ginsberg


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:24 PM
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35. Yes -- Read "Into the Buzzsaw"
Great book, very well documented.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:26 PM
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36. Wasn't this basically proven? nt
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:37 PM
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41. Read "The Politics Of Heroin" by Alfred McCoy n/t
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:41 PM
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42. The unassailable truth
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1556521251.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,32,-59_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

A must read on this topic:
The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade (Paperback)
by Alfred W. McCoy

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1556521251/103-44...

Too much money to let it get away from Wall $treet
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