Could/Would you stay in the US if we nuked another country?

[demgurl]

My husband agreed we would consider moving to Canada (where my family resides) if the US ever made a nuclear strike against Iran without any provocation. This was about five months ago and Iran was specifically mentioned.

We have two kids and we are worried about attacks on the US if the country makes a nuclear strike against anyone. Before children I may have stayed and fought but I fear what might happen to them if we stay. I am scared to death that the US will be struck with a nuclear weapon if we strike another country. I do not want to die but, more importantly, I do not want my kids to die.

I know some of you always say fine and just to leave. This post is about conversing about worries and fears of staying or going and how many of you have even thought about it. This is not about dismissing someone's thoughts.

So have you thought about this and what have you decided?

[Deja Q]

1. If that happened, there'd be nothing left to nuke.

That's why this Iran gibber won't become reality.

The corporate elite wish to survive.

(hell, few must've noticed how quickly China bowed down to Bush's demands recently; they've already started anti-piracy programs and are becoming "responsible"...)

[demgurl]

16. I think there is a reason this is in the press...

and that is because someone is leaking it so perhaps we can stop this misadministration. Short of an overthrow, there is nothing we can do to this government. They do not listen/care about public opinion. They do not care about protests.

Nothing stopped the cabal the first time and nothing will stop them this time.

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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Hang in here

but I have no children. My boss today told me that he was surprised Bush hasn't been impeached yet. My boss is a good old boy-tobacco chewing, pickup truck driving, sports/hunting nut-and a Democrat, though not a political activist. I don't see how Bush will have enough backing to nuke. At least that is what I pray.

[enid602]

4. fleeing

I've found myself saying I'll leave as well, but most $$ is in a 401K, and can't be moved without penalty. I can sell the house, but how does one go about trying to move those funds outside the country. US does not yet have currency control laws, but might well once we nuke Iran. I don't know if fleeing the country will be so easy.

[etherealtruth]

7. Even if "we" could flee ...

who would take "us"?

[demgurl]

14. Come on up to Canada.

If I moved back there you would have a place. A lot of them realize that it is not our fault.

[etherealtruth]

18. Brings a smile to my face ...

My grandparents came from Canada (paternal grandmother illegally) ... Irish/Scots.
:hi:

[tjwash]

9. Having to flee...

...would give some people a fresh perspective on their immigration views, that's for sure.

[enid602]

12. yes

Very good!

[converted_democrat]

5. I want out.. I'm already looking into Mexico and a couple of

South American countries..

Edited to more accurately depicit my feelings on the situation..

[Nightjock]

6. Kids change EVERYTHING

I don't blame you. My wife and I would move too and that would be entirely for the sake of our children (ages 2 and 4).

But I really believe the f*cker is getting impeached before he can get that far.

[mdmc]

8. i'd stay

but i'd be in jail
most likely

[politicaholic]

10. I'm Canadian and I would NOT leave...

When your ass is on fire one of your hands has to be there to help pat it out.

[MadisonProgressive]

11. I'm staying and fighting the bastards (I have 2 kids).

[Malva Zebrina]

13. Too old to go anywhere

no one wants anyone to emigrate if they cannot contribute to the good of that country.

I am stuck here, even though I would like to get out of here as the insanity escalates in my own country.

I am near the Canadian border, so comfort myself that I can cross over--although it has been reported that soon we will need a passport to get back into the US from Canada,

Which is a wonderful country. I have been there many times and love it and it's people.

There is no doubt, we are being shackled by an insane president. In my mind, he is itching for another 911 to happen, perhaps even if he has to do it himself (tin hat, but too many questions have not yet been answered about 911 to make me comfortable)

The man is absolutley insane. He lies everyday. He has lied to us for five years. We are going to suffer greatly if he is not exposed as a maniac and a man certifiably insane, driving this country toward something so horrible that is is indeed motivation to get out.

[Trillo]

15. I will likely remain the the U.S. until the day I die. (n/t)

[bmcatt]

17. Me and mine would be leaving within 24 hours

I've got 2 kids (3.5 years and 6 months) and there's no way I'd want them to live in the only country to pre-emptively use a nuclear weapon. We're about 35 miles west of New York City and I find it very hard to believe that, in the event of a retaliatory strike, there wouldn't be *something* happening in the area.

The current plan is to spend up to 4-6 hours packing everything that's absolutely vital (clothing, stroller, records, the truly irreplacable family heirlooms, my computer so I can continue to work from wherever) into both cars and then each of us gets one kid and a car and we head into Canada as fast as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if the border wound up closing at some point and I'd damned sure want to be on the other side when / if that happened.

I have no idea what we'd wind up doing about the (town)house, other than try and get some neighbors to watch it and then, potentially, packing it and selling it remotely. Or, if the rest of the country comes to their senses, we just consider it an extended vacation and come back. But, sadly, I don't see that happening, at least not before there's a lot more collateral damage.

:grouphug:

[demgurl]

19. bmcatt, sounds like you have a plan.

Hubby has always asked what we would do with our house if we just up and left. That is a quandary, isn't it? I tell him perhaps we can sell it but lots of people in history have had to up and leave their house never to come back.

May I ask if you are keeping some extra essentials on hand? I imagine there will be some unrest if/when this happens and you may need things like diapers on hand.

Good luck to you and yours.

[bmcatt]

22. It's all just "stuff"

Heck, I've got a literal wall-full of paperbacks that I've accumulated over the past 25-plus years that I'd be heart-broken to leave, but I would. About the only things that I'd truly consider irreplacable are a couple of portrait-sized needlepoint works that my grandfather did, along with the giant box of family photographs which have still never been sorted.

Every time this topic comes up in conversation with my wife, she's ready to freak out about the house, etc., but it's only money and things, both of which are, for the most part, replaceable.

If the worst happens and the house is foreclosed on, well... it probably won't matter at that point, now will it? After all, that means that not only did we flee, but that we weren't able to come back. Also, realistically, I view Canada as a stopping-over point. If we really needed to get out of the neighborhood, I'm more seriously considering Australia or New Zealand as final destinations. That should be far enough away to avoid anything truly major. Plus they're (relatively speaking) warmer than Canada.

As for supplies, it waxes and wanes. We tend to buy some stuff in bulk, so there's usually a bunch here. Part of those 4-6 hours would also be spent running out and stocking up on diapers, baby food, powered formula, bottled water, etc., for the trip. That plus trying to find the other car-cellphone charger or getting a replacement so we would have one in each car and be able to talk via our cells.

Realistically, btw, I don't consider this a "plan". A "plan" involves knowing exactly what I'd take and how I'd pack and where we'd go. This is, at best, a general set of guidelines so I can avoid the panic reaction and just get down to work. (On the initial list of "what to do" is also getting in touch with a distant-ish friend who lives in Toronto who promised that we could crash there if we ever needed to - and she understood the circumstances under which we'd need a place to crash...)

Good luck to all of us and wishes that such will not be needed.

[Jose Diablo]

20. I cannot place myself in your position mentally

Thus I cannot say you should stay. But I and my family has been here for coming up on 3 centuries, on my fathers side. My mothers side has some native american plus the rest of her side also goes back to the early 18th century. It's my home, I will be buried here if it comes to it. I cannot leave, and I won't. Even if it were to put my children at risk. It doesn't because all my children are adults with their own children. Thus for me its a 'theoretical' simulation.

I would never criticize you if you did decide to leave. It's your decision, and your husband's.

It's hard to imagine Bu$h nuking another country, preemptively. He couldn't hope to get away with it. But, nothing he's done gives me confidence that he's playing with a full deck. I just don't think he's as stupid as people say he is.

[Jigarotta]

21. with Harper in the saddle, I'm not sure

you'd be going far enough.

You are welcome to come, but I have a feeling there will be no where to run soon.