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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:28 PM
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Is it at all possible....?
that our military leaders would tell their Commander in Chief to shove it if he insisted on attacking Iran? Seriously, what are the odds our military would have the balls to rebel against the White House if they were ordered to do something so fucking stupid?


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:29 PM
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1. No! They are programed to simply follow orders.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:30 PM
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2. Not possible.
The military types are usually pretty gung ho and have obedience drummed into them.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:34 PM
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6. Then again, we've got precedent of the German military...
rebelling against Hitler. A girl can dream.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:38 PM
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11. it was at the END of the war, when the intelligent ones saw that the war
was lost and wanted to save German lives... the situation today cannot be compared, unless there is a mutiny in Iraq, Vietnam style... but it's not likely either
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:39 PM
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13. True, July of '44 wasn't it?
Except we've been embroiled in Afghanistan and Iraq for 4 1/2 years now. Okay, I'm clutching at straws. I admit it.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:58 PM
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19. the only recent precedent I can see is when the KGB
put Gorbatjev/Jeltsin back in charge after an Army coup from the old communist guard.

the King of Spain stopped a fascist coup after Franco's death

The carnation revolution (Portugal) is maybe the best example of a positive, democratic coup :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:51 PM
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17. Give credit where credit's due.
The members of the Kreisau Circle did little but talk until 1943, about 2 years before the end of the war. They did have contacts with the allies, and ultimately engaged in trying to overthrow Hitler. It was too little too late, but it's not entirely fair to say that they only engaged when they saw that the war was lost. Their opposition to Hitler predated the end of the war.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:52 PM
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18. Hitler fired plenty of Generals in his time
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:30 PM
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3. they would resign before rebel, imho
honor!
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:33 PM
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5. Sy Hersh says in his new article that's exactly what will happen.
Will it stop them? Sadly, I don't think it will.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:35 PM
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8. Honor would lead them to resign.
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 04:36 PM by Vinnie From Indy
I see that happening if they felt the orders were immoral or lunacy.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:32 PM
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4. I wouldn't rule it out - especially considering the outspoken

retired military officers who've been complaining...
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:41 PM
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15. I wouldn't rule it out either.
I mean, think about it. We are at GREAT PERIL with this evil, maniacal administration. At the risk of sounding melodramatic...

The "powers that be" had better step up SOON or we are up shit creek. The future of our democracy as we know it is at stake. This is serious business. I have to believe that they know that.

Peace.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:35 PM
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7. maybe not the leaders, but the troops
in a Vietnam-like situation. The problem is that an attack on Iran will be more "gaystyle", Enola-gay to be more precise...
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:36 PM
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10. *shudder*
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:36 PM
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9. Some will resist. But the problem is Bush can always find
enough ambitious fools to do his bidding. There is no shortage of top officer replacement candidates.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:38 PM
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12. It is possible.
Doing the right thing is always a possibility. And people in the military are as capable of recognizing the insanity of what appears to be the Cheney agenda for Iran.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:41 PM
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14. The military isn't as crazy as the koo koo-in-chief
They'd try other ways to dissuade him before actually telling him to go to hell. I think the Hersh article was a first step.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 05:02 PM
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20. I Would Say Every Other Measure They Can Take Is Being Taken Right Now
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 05:45 PM
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21. Short of resignation and an outright coup...
I do agree with you.

Sadly, it may come to a more blatant revolt by the military officers.

Here is another worry of mine. Remember General William Boykin? He was the guy that said christians were at war with satan aka islam. I wonder how many like him are in the military and I wonder if they're getting bumped up the chain of command so bush will get 'yes men' to do his bidding.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 06:05 PM
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22. aren't the fundies working hard at taking over the Air Force Academy???
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 04:49 PM
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16. Maybe before that 'shove it' point is reached they might
take their case to congressional leaders, let them know they need to put a stop to the whole mess ala Goldwater et al privately telling Nixon time's up.
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