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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:02 AM
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Democrats registering immigrants in Atlanta!!!
I spoke with a former employee of mine who is now doing radio news in Atlanta. He said there are fellow Democrats registering a lot of the marching immigrants to vote!! These hard working people just trying to make a living deserve a voice in this country, and they will now be heard at the ballot box.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:04 AM
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1. Do immigrants vote in Altlanta? Or did they talk about naturalized
citizens?

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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:00 AM
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21. I assume they are naturalized citizens
Illegals aren't allowed to register let alone vote, which I think is a sham. If you live here, work here, pay taxes here you should vote here. Taxation without representation, anyone? Hello!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:06 AM
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:09 AM
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4. Only Citizens can be registered to vote.
Not immigrants who have not been naturalized--whether they are legal or not.

"We are a nation governed by the rule of law." What nation is NOT governed by the rule of law? In fact, tyrannies are more governed by the "rule of law" than the USA. We had other features that were more distinctive. Once upon a time.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:12 AM
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5. "We are nation governed by the rule of law"
Your president doesn't seem to think so.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:15 AM
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8. but we don't all think that every ''law'' is good ''law''.
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 07:15 AM by xchrom
this is as much about the nature and application of laws as anything else.

i'm very much a socialist who very much wants to see pretty liberal travel and worker access bewteen mexico and the u.s. and canada and the u.s.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:30 AM
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12. A citizen can be an immigrant too.
And vice versa.

Hopefully the ones handling the registrations are clear on the point that only citizens can vote.

I was informed last night that in my state it is technically legal to register someone to vote before they've taken the oath of citizenship, if they know that they will take it before Election Day (like kids who will turn 18) - this allows someone to avoid being caught in the 30-day registration lockdown before the election.

Sometimes people get carried away with good intentions, but hopefully that's not the case here.

I think it is an EXCELLENT idea to look for unregistered citizens at these marches and encourage them to register to vote.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:07 AM
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3. Thanks for repeating THAT Right Wing Talking Point!
Bob Dornan (R) blamed his election loss to "illegals" who voted for his opponent, Loretta
Sanchez.

Investigation proved that he lost honestly.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:32 AM
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13. Not necessarily!
See my post above.

Of course you bring up a good point about how it could be spun. Anyone actually engaging in this activity needs to say loudly and clearly that they are only registering citiizens. Still, there are likely to be a good number of folks at these marches that can and should legally register to vote!
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:12 AM
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6. Thats a right wing talking point
Nothing more. You have to be a citizen to vote. period
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:34 AM
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14. No.
Pls see my posts #12 and #13.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:58 AM
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47. the OP said registering immigrants not illegal immigrants. There is
a difference.

Why are people confusing illegal immigrants with immigrants?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:12 AM
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7. good for the Dems.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:15 AM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:19 AM
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10. isnt the repug party, but the dems. so feel confident they are legal
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 07:19 AM by seabeyond
further an illegal isnt going to register to vote. makes no sense. would just make chances of being caught so much easier.

with proof or fact, the same as the op.... i would say without a doubt they are registering legals.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:34 AM
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15. voting for asshat twice in a row should be a crime
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 07:35 AM by insane_cratic_gal
too, but it's not. Only a crime against humanity and Americans

It's not a crime to register them, it's only a crime if they vote. I doubt any illegal is running up jumping up and down screaming "here I am, here I am." there are maniacs on the loose wanting to kill them over they sloppy policy and free passes given to corps who higher them.

If you guys want to bitch about that, follow the money. Look at the trend, it's not them it's the corporation's desire a bigger profit margin which leads to excessive greed and refusal to pay American workers. Want to keep work here? start reconsidering your ideas on a national health insurance.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:48 AM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:50 AM
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18. my thoughts are that you're regurgitating RW spew.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:54 AM
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20. Perhaps, instead of trying to convince us of the validity...
of RW talking points, you should pay some attention to the pathetic state of the GOP and elections in Ohio.
You are either very sadly deluded or intentionally pushing propaganda.
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electricray Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:06 AM
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22. 5 million new jobs doesn't mean squat
Clinton created 22 million new jobs and poverty went down. I don't know about you but it was a hell of a lot more comfortable for most Americans when they were working and being paid well for it. Your comment implies that people would jump at the chance to clean your toilet for $5 per hour if only the "big government" would stop making it so they don't have to. In my opinion that is a government doing its job. Anything else will allow capitalism to devolve into its serfdom-style nature, which is un-natural in small communities. It only happens when large amounts of wealth and power are held over the heads of large groups of people. There were more than religious reasons for the founers of this country to leave England. America is moving toward East India Trading Company style oligarchy every day because of our neo-con leadership.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:28 AM
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29. I sure miss Clinton!
I was paid more money for roughly the same job that I'm doing now. Our health insurance premiums were cheaper, gas was $1.00 a gallon, and the cost of other utilities was much lower. We could actually save money in the '90s, now we're lucky we break even at the end of the month. Yeah, those 5 million service jobs are really raising the standard of living of the average worker. :eyes:

Do YOU have any ORIGINAL thoughts on this?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:46 AM
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:50 AM
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40. Any thoughts on a President that has committed treason?
Any thoughts on a President who lied us into an illegal war?

The tech bubble didn't really affect the average worker, only the investor class. Under Clinton, the middle class and working poor paid less taxes, and their situation improved. Under Bush, the rich have gotten richer, and the other groups are struggling. Or don't you read the paper?
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:25 AM
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11. The Atlanta area is a mecca for immigrants....
Many of them legal. Many become citizens. It wouldn't surprise me if they are registering to vote. I once read that outside of NYC, Dekalb county was the most diverse areas of the country.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:38 AM
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 07:51 AM
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19. Tell me about it. The Atlanta area has a huge Hispanic population.
I live in a mobile home park in Woodstock and half of the residents are Spanish. There is a housing development being built just up the road. Every morning, I see many, many Hispanics walking or riding bikes to work at it. And I will bet that most of them are illegals.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:07 AM
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23. Good. They're seeing the benefits of embracing the immigrants.
The Republicans are doing a helluva job of making Democrats out of Hispanics, Asians, and other immigrants who see through the obvious racism and xenophobia being used by the rightwing to appeal to their redneck base.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:13 AM
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:25 AM
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28. Come and Get it.... ding, ding, ding..
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 08:32 AM by stepnw1f
pssst... it's xenophobia. :popcorn:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:39 AM
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33. Check the last fifty years.
Opposed the civil rights movement.

Opposed to affirmative action.

Opposed to reparations.

Opposed to giving illegal immigrants working status despite their essential role in the economy.

Florida felon purge '00

Lack of voting machines in urban Ohio '04

Hurricane Katrina

Have you looked at the stands during the RNC? It's a sea of white. They load the stage with gospel singers and Watts and Steeles, but they are covering for the fact that they are a 95% white party.

Now why do you think that is?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:43 AM
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:44 AM
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36. Yeah, and they left when the Democrats embraced the Civil Rights Act.
Next?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:53 AM
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42. No "next" here; our Limbaugh-loving friend is gone now.
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 08:53 AM by dicksteele
Lasted an entire 11 posts.

He will not be missed.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 09:02 AM
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44. Disappointing, I was getting my info together, too.
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 09:02 AM by tasteblind
It's funny, if you look at the House votes on the various civil rights bills, every conservative majority is for an amendment. :)
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:43 AM
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35. Not all Republicans are racists, but most racists are Republicans
you rarely find a progressive racist.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:09 AM
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24. This is so wrong.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:23 AM
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26. why?
If they are illegal, they can't be registered to vote.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:31 AM
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30. IS that what indeed is happening?
How do you prove legal status to register people when so many of these individuals use fraudulent documents, if they have them. Dems should not be registering anyone until this situation is sorted out.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:33 AM
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31. You Need to Ask That Question
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 08:35 AM by stepnw1f
before assuming that people are registering illegals.

I want to know as well... it would be stupid if they did so without verification.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:37 AM
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:45 AM
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37. They'll attempt to register, but it won't happen.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:51 AM
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41. Those who are here illegally will NOT be registering to vote, UNLESS
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 08:52 AM by MH1
they are very stupid.

However the registration percentages for legal immigrants is very low (that was said on NPR this morning), and a lot of the marchers ARE legal immigrants AND citizens. So it makes sense to take advantage of the probability of having a lot of unregistered, citizens in one place that will tend to vote Democratic.

Why are so many people here so effing knee-jerk about this???

:banghead:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:55 AM
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45. What's knee-jerk about this concern?
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 10:56 AM by Skidmore
Why should I assume that people who are willing to present false documents so they can work will not do likewise to obtain voter registration--another document associated with citizenship?

Are our elections not screwed up enough?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:59 AM
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43. With Diebold there vote wouldn't count anyhow nt
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:59 AM
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49. Why do you assume that it is illegal immigrants?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:04 AM
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51. See my response above.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 08:47 AM
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39. Democrats try to give people the vote, and Repubs try to take it away
it's in the Republicans' best interest to surpress voter rights, like they did in Florida and Ohio. The Dems know that a viable democracy depends on the participation of all Americans, not just white Americans.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:57 AM
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46. Well, considering that that is likely highly illegal
I wouldn't say it's anything for the little bouncy guy to get excited about. Only citizens can vote in this country; immigrants, whether legal or illegal, can not.
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 12:04 PM
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53. You missed my post #21
Let me repeat:

"I assume they are naturalized citizens. Illegals aren't allowed to register let alone vote..."



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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:59 AM
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48. Is the freeper gone from this thread? I couldn't stand the smell.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:04 AM
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50. I certainly hope that these immigrants are citizens. I would think though
that most naturalized citizens do register to vote, probably at a higher percentage per capita than those born here.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 11:16 AM
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52. Let's see, there is a large gathering of people
I see nothing wrong with people from all political parties trying to register people to vote. If this is a cause that wakes up those who have never voted, I say more power to those who are trying to urge more and more of us to vote and become active participants in our political system.
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