1000 feet underground, low-kiloton yield, NUKE radiation STILL GETS OUT

[berni_mccoy]

Even when detonated 1000+ feet underground, low kiloton nukes still send radioactive gas and material into the atmosphere. The energy and force is so powerful, even at sub-kiloton ranges, that radiation gets into the atmosphere and leaks out.

Two tests by our government prove this: The tests were conducted in New Mexico and at the Nevada Test Site: Operation Hardtack II (http://www.radiochemistry.org/history/nuke_tests/hardtack2/index.html) and Operation Nougat (http://www.radiochemistry.org/history/nuke_tests/nougat/index.html).

Here are some tests/results:

TEST: Gnome
Time: 19:00.00.00 10-Dec-61
Location: Carlsbad, NM
Placement: Shaft
Depth: -1184
Yield: 3.1Kt
Lab: LRL
Project: PS
Description: Plowshare shot, fired in salt dome, cavity formed was 170 ft. in diameter, and 80 ft. high, some radiation accidentally released and detected off-site

Test: Blanca
Time: 15:00.00.0 30 October 1958 (GMT)
Location: NTS, Area 12e
Test Height and Type: Tunnel, -987 Feet
Yield: 22 kt

UCRL test of an alternate W-47 primary in a thermonuclear system mockup. This shot was successful, the predicted yield was 20 kt. Similar to Hardtack II Evans. The device was 18 inches in diameter, 45.5 inches long, and weighed 717.6 lb.

Although it was fired in an underground tunnel, the shot still vented radioactive material into the atmosphere (visible in the picture below).

If we attack Iran with B61's (bunker-busting nukes ranging from 0.3Kt to 340Kt yields), these will penetrate between 0 and 250 feet (the best results publicly are far less than 100 feet deep). It's almost guaranteed that the results will look something like this on EACH SITE THAT IS BOMBED:

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/media-gallery/video/testing/project-sedan-3.wmv

[Kutjara]

1. Thanks for the data. And that doesn't even consider...

...the effect on the water table. If BushCo. hasn't considered the above-ground effects, they damned sure haven't considered the subsurface ones.

[lonestarnot]

9. In other words, they haven't considered SHIT! Surprised?

[bigtree]

2. The penetration levels don't seem correct, 0 and 250 feet

is much deeper than the reports I've seen.

from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:

"There are currently two strategic versions of the B61. The B61-7, produced from 1985-1990, is a variable-yield gravity bomb for the B-52 and B-2. The B61-11 is an earth-penetrating weapon (EPW) for the B-2 with a "single yield," according to the NPR. Full-scale drop tests of the B61-11 were conducted in Nevada and Alaska, initially from F-16, B-1, and B-52 aircraft. After the B-2 Stealth bomber became operational in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP) in October 1997, it was chosen as the designated carrier of the B61-11. Of its three drop tests conducted in 1998, one involved two unarmed bombs dropped at an air force test range in the Yukon in Alaska. With its hardened steel case and nose cone, the B61-11s penetrated the frozen tundra to a depth of only two to three meters. Its conventional cousin, the 5,000-pound GBU-28, is said to penetrate about six meters of concrete.

The Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator program, recommended by the latest NPR, could use the B61 (or B83) in an effort to build an earth-penetrating weapon that would be more effective than the B61-11. But a serious flaw in the concept of nuclear earth-penetrating weapons, even those with relatively low yields, is that they cannot penetrate deeply enough to contain a nuclear explosion and its deadly radioactive fallout. If used in an urban environment, such a weapon would cause thousands of casualties (see Robert W. Nelson, Science and Global Security, Vol. 10: pp. 1-20, 2002)."

http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf03norris

Same concern about fallout, just different data on penetration.

The Pentagon claims that a bomb that penetrated further would contain the fallout. Your data blows that away.


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[berni_mccoy]

4. Agreed. The point is low-yield get radiation into the atmosphere even at

1000 feet below the surface. What will an explosion like that detonated less than 100 feet (even 250 feet) do? The results will be devastating to the surrounding areas and radiation will be sent into the atmosphere. Neighboring countries will be exposed.

[tocqueville]

3. the penetration will be far less, probably max 10 ft

depending on the load 60 000 t to the double of radioactive debris will spread with wind. If the wind turns at last moment... it could reach Iraq or Saudi Arabia with more or less deadly fallout. Or else it will reach Afghanistan/Pakistan...

If the radiation went right up into the upper atmosphere it wouldn't be a big problem. The problem is THE DUST !

look at the pictures of the Nevada test site on Google Earth, gives you an idea...

[Roland99]

5. Depleted Uranium dust from bombing Iraq showed up in ENGLAND!

[berni_mccoy]

6. Do you have a link?

That would be very helpful and interesting. I hadn't heard that before.

[Roland99]

7. It was posted up here...that's how I found out about it

Here are some articles I just found:

Evidence from the measurements of the Atomic Weapons Establishment
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2006/DU-Europe-Contamination1jan06.htm


From Battlefields in the Middle East: Depleted Uranium Measured in British Atmosphere
The Queen's Death Star
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MOR20060302&articleId=2058

[lonestarnot]

8. Of course it gets out. They take us for "morans" as in rans.