Americans more concerned about Mexicans taking jobs, but not outsourcing?

[maveric]

I hear it on MSM and talk on the streets. "Mexicans are taking our jobs...", but when I bring up all the jobs being outsourced to India, or wherever, they seem to be OK with that, stating that American business NEEDS to outsource to remain competetive.
So its OK for big business to send our reasonably paid jobs overseas, but allowing illegals/Mexicans... is going to ruin our country?

[slackmaster]

1. Our Indian database administrator lost his last job to outsourcing

He was working for a large firm in the San Francisco Bay area.

His job got outsources to a company in India.

:crazy:

[Jim Warren]

2. Squeeze the middle

Effectively, a combination of these two factors WILL have far reaching impact on the workplace. This combined with the fact that the US doesn't make anything anymore and the impact will be felt as fewer jobs come down the pike.

[Joanne98]

3. They're concerned about all of it. Everybody is except the......

EMPLOYERS!

[maveric]

5. Had a conversation with a woman in the grocery store line...

And I posed that question to her. All she could say was that the Mexicans are illegal and on outsourcing she said that "Things change and we must support the corporations for a strong economy". Then she was done with me.

[PsN2Wind]

4. I don't like out-sourcing

or allowing illegal immigration for cheap labor.
However, the cost of out-sourcing jobs is less than importing labor. When jobs are out-sourced those getting these jobs are still in their native countries as are their families, so there is no need to build more schools, medical clinics, and prisons in this country to handle the influx.
I would have been even more sympathetic to those losing the IT and similar jobs if there had been any concern by them when the millions of manufacturing jobs went overseas. But then it seemed the importance of cheap shoes trumped those manufacturing jobs that people with only a high school education could do.

[justice1]

20. I agree with you 100%

In addition, we can control what happens within our borders. There isn't a realistic way to stop American companies from outsourcing if they came to an agreement, with a foreign country.

As I mentioned before, our Secretary of Agriculture outsourced jobs, when he was governor of Nebraska, which included personnel information about Americans, when he gave an Indian company the contract for welfare benefits. It wasn't to save money, because their bid was higher than that of an American company, that had years of experience.

The awarding of government contracts is a type of outsourcing that should be addressed. It's an issue of money, jobs, and privacy. It's hypocritical of our government to warn Americans about fraud and identity theft, when our own government gives out our private information to foreign companies.

[Cleita]

6. Apparently the propaganda machine is doing it's job.

Undocumented immigrants --- bad!
Outsourced jobs to Asia --- good!

[maveric]

7. And the higher paying jobs are going away.

Keeping the Mexicans away from the low-end jobs will present plenty of opportunities for employment to those who lost their jobs to Asia.
Oh! Now I see how it will work out! :sarcasm:
The return of feudalism!

[Disturbed]

9. There are thousands of Asians in the US, illegally.

Not much mention of those folk.

Outsourcing and Insourcing are Corp. ways of garnering cheap labor. The Govt., both Rethugs and most Dems are supportive of that.

[Cleita]

10. I mentioned them. Undocumented immigrants in my

vocabulary means all of them not just the hispanics.

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

8. Because it probably

hasn't effected as broad of a segment of careers as illegals taking service jobs, that is yet. Speaking of which people also talk more about "Mexicans taking our jobs" because they can see them doing it, in busing tables or waiting on them at Burger King because those jobs are out in public view. The jobs going to India are mostly jobs that out of the public view and are jobs most of us never see happen. I remember about 4 years ago when I first signed up for my current cell phone, I had some problems and I had to call customer service, I had to contact them 2-3 times over a month period and each time I spoke to guy named Tom with a indian/Paki accent. I thought I spoke to the same guy and I figured he was here in the US, turns out they told a bunch of different guys over there to call themselves Tom and that's how I first learned about outsourcing. I didn't know it was happening because I didn't see it before with my own eyes.

[TechBear_Seattle]

11. Mexicans are STEALING American jobs...

which is not the same as the corporations giving American jobs away, which is perfectly OK. Isn't it obvious?

[maveric]

12. That is the upcoming rhetoric.

I can hear it now.

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. Yes, the talking-point is easy to predict n/t

[blondeatlast]

16. Language matters, as I was just saing in another thread.

Excellent example of why parsing is so important.

Great post! :toast:

[ContraBass Black]

14. Middle Class jobs are going overseas.

Undocumented immigrants are taking lower-paying jobs. A good many people are screaming about the wrong thing altogether.

[blondeatlast]

15. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Lots of administration folks are making big profits off of the sweat of Mexican people. But those Mexican people carry their own flag, those awful people...:sarcasm:

Lots of big corporations enjoying the profits of outsourcing, and offering up some of those profits to campaign contributions.

But you need to pay no attention to point 2--they don't fly another flag, silly. They LOVE the US of A.

[Disturbed]

17. It was fine with most people when Illegal Immigrants..

were only percieved as doing jobs in the fields, factories, janitorial industries and kitchens but when it was learned that the Construction Insustry was being taken over the Alarm Bell went off!

[maveric]

18. Its the Mexicans fault that contractors are HIRING THEM?

No blame for corporate america for being part of the problem?

[Kansas Wyatt]

19. A few years ago, when it was being reported how many

Jobs were being outsourced, we didn't seem to hear too much about millions of illegals flooding across the border. But now, people who have lost their jobs to outsourcing are having a harder time in the job market just to get by, because cheap illegal workers are driving wages down on jobs they could take. Just a remarkable abundance of labor willing to work cheap without conditions, in addition to over-qualified unemployed and under-employed citizens willing to take blue collar jobs for a fair wage just to survive on. The Powers That Be are burning the American Worker on both ends, to oppress wages paid in the U.S. to fit a World Economy model.

Sorry, no illegal worker should be granted anything and should be barred from ever gaining citizenship. If I went to Mexico and repeatedly broke their laws, would they offer and give me what I wanted? Hell no, and I would probably receive Gitmo service in a Mexican prison. They knew they were breaking our laws from the very start and continue to do so, and they have not cared at all about what they were and are doing to the blue collar citizens of this country.

The question that I would really like to know, is with all of these illegals marching all over America, where in the hell is INS and why aren't they enforcing the law?

If the U.S. would have been enforcing it's laws to begin with, instead of caving into corporate pressure to oppress wages, the illegals would have been turned back at the border years ago anyway or would have been sent back already by now.

Don't like that approach, well tough shit, blue collar citizens do not like seeing their economic future getting flushed into the bowels of the sewage system, and ending up desperately clinging to a submerged turd and trying to blow-up a used condom to use a flotation device for their family.

[mattclearing]

21. Out of sight, out of mind. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. It's really quite amazing how they've managed to demonize

the "Mexicans" with this thing. The fact is, NOONE ever takes a job. People accept a job that is offered.

We're focusing on the wrong people in this debate if it keeps getting framed as "them" doing the "taking" for both the illegal immigration and outsourcing of jobs. In both cases, it is the companies/business decisions.

[Beelzebud]

23. I'm more pissed at Monsanto than Jose.

Yeah, lets blame regular people for the mess our fascist Corporation/Government has sold us all out.