SO Judas wasn't a leaker, either...

[elehhhhna]

Psyops at its best. The Godly one TOLD me to do it, so it's really a service to the Lord.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Judas betrayed Christ; Bush betrayed America

But it's all good, man...(republicon "ethics")

[JuniperLea]

2. Yep... Judas, with his kiss of death

Ratted Jesus out.

I'm more interested in the current Repub song fest myself:)

[Radio_Guy]

12. Hundreds of thousands died because of Bush's betrayal

I doubt that many died because of Judas.

[magellan]

3. A cardinal at the Vatican called the Judas revelation "religious fantasy"

That's a decent description of Bush**'s motivations too.

[elehhhhna]

4. I dare you to ask them about Galileo. Go ahead. Dare ya!

[magellan]

8. Bah, there's nothing I'd ask the Vatican that I haven't already asked

...the Jehovah's Witnesses. And I expect the answers would be equally inane!

[WiseButAngrySara]

5. B* has no religion other than self interest. It is a "fantasy" but a

political one. He is not and never will be a Christian. God must hate B*. The Judas story is interesting, but it implies that Christ wanted to "take the hemlock" like Socrates. No way can I imagine that Christ would ever contemplate suicide. He had already "overcome the world" and he was much too courageous to do so. IMO, the tragic Christ image is a gross misinterpretation of Christ's message, which was Joy and Peace and Love; Not tragedy or fear or punishment.

[magellan]

9. I'd be interested to know if this turns out to be a rejected text

You know, writers will often have several versions of how a particular story ends. And the Bible was cobbled together over several centuries from hundreds of texts, many of which were rejected as 'not on message' or simply left out for practical reasons.

As far as Bush** goes, anyone who believes he's really a Christian damages their own credibility. Jesus would never abide using the gospel as a political tool to rally support for bombing and torturing people.

[WiseButAngrySara]

13. I would vote for rejection, considering the fate of the Naj Hammadi texts

and other 'apocrypha' but time will tell. We share the same opinion on B*'s so-called Christianity...Never in my wildest imagination would I think it possible that one administration could simultaneously damage two such seemingly opposite historical characters; Christ and Machiavelli. The BFEE has given both a bad name.

[magellan]

15. Yep, it's one of the rejected texts; up on BBC site

Not so secret gospels
Stephen Tomkins

snip...

The first thing to say is that we do not know much about the precise contents yet. National Geographic has put the whole text online, but with only half a dozen short pages in translation, so those of us whose Coptic is a little rusty will have to wait a while.

What we do know is that the Gospel of Judas was condemned in 180AD by Irenaus the Bishop of Lyons. So it existed by then and had made its way from Egypt to Gaul.

snip...

It seems the Judas text dates from the same period as the Naj Hammadi texts, 4th century AD, when Gnosticism was being advanced through secret gospels. I suppose that leaves little question as to why these texts were rejected by the bishops!

Bush** didn't give Machiavelli a bad name...that was done by psychologists. But by their standards there is a great deal of Machiavellianism, as well as a high degree of Social Dominance Orientation, in Bush** and his half-baked Neocon cabal -- pointing directly to the cynical and elitist expoundings of Leo Strauss, I think.

[elehhhhna]

10. It may imply otherwise--

things were too hot and he had to scramble. Read "Jesus in India" for more interesting theories...

[WiseButAngrySara]

14. I will. I know Jesus studied in an Essene 'Mystical' group, and I imagine

that he might have studied in Greece, but I've just recently discovered these things. Having been raised Protestant, I was always under the impression that Christ 'came to earth' already knowing, and not requiring any study. But this is not the case; he was human and then realized his divinity, like the Buddha, the Zen Masters, Hindii(?) saints, and so many others. That is not what is taught in classical Christianity.

[WiseButAngrySara]

6. I love the wittiness of your title....n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. I think it proves that Jesus was a peace activists

Just like the peace activists in the 60's and even now. Many arrests are pre-planned.

[Neil Lisst]

11. ACLU enters the fray, in the case of Judas v. Christendom

Said Judas' agent, Murray Farbstein "I told him not to do that gig."

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I've always thought Judas was a scapegoat (according to the story, which I'm not saying actually happened.) If you're going to be logically consistent, Jesus and Judas both had ordained roles to fulfill. If Peter denies Jesus three times and still gets to be the first Pope, why should Judas be relegated to Hall of Shame Status?

FREE JUDAS!!