Thank you, Cynthia

[DS1]

Hey, remember a few years back when I was standing in a crowd in D.C., it was around October 2002. There was this big rally going on, one of this little anti-war things where 500,000 poeple don't show up. You remember that, right? I was standing there, amoung dozens of other DUers, and thousands and thousands of people, and we were all there for the same reason. Then one of your bodyguards came barrelling through from behind and shoved me to the side, and you followed them. Remember that?

Is that considered shoving? Was I shoved? Grabbed? Why were my rights pissed on in order to make room for you?

But I didn't make a stink about it, you were on my side. You were the only one in Congress making a stink about 9/11.

Now, you're the only one making a stink out of not wearing your tag.

Thank you for throwing the right-wing a meaty, juicy, succulent bone.

You've really moved up.

[unda cova brutha]

1. are you being sarcastic or are you for real?

[DS1]

2. me? sarcastic?

It could be said I'm known for that.

You figure it out.

[Duer 157099]

4. Sounds to me like both n/t

[-..__...]

3. Give her a break...

she was running late for her hair stylist appointment.

[Charlie Brown]

5. This incident, regardless of what happened, will be no help to Dems

and the timing is horrible. TONS of legitimate stories are being buried under this. Are you honestly glad that this non-issue has erupted?

[lablue]

13. won't hurt dems

Come on - this incident just further alienates the gop from African-Americans and is red meat to the mad as hell right - only hurts dems in that it changes the subject a little

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. My feelings:

We have so many here that have been so ingrained to accept authority without question and damn those who dare question a cop or other authority figure.

Gotta keep them darkies (read: anyone who tilts at authority) in line!

I hate to break it to some of you, but cops are people too. They make mistakes, they over-react, they cover their asses and the asses of their workmates. They're in a rough job with lots of pressures and are in a position where their actions are (and should be) up to closer inspection than the rest of us. They chose the job, they should live with it.

However, that should not give them a ticket to actions without question.

Ms. McKinney's actions have now been damned by people on both sides of the aisle. It's safe. She's from a small Dem bastion in a largely Republican state. There can't be too much blowback, right?

I'm close to Cynthia's age, I got to march with Hosea Williams once in Cartersville and feel the sting of a stone on my shoulder by people who felt that the old ways were the best ways. I still have a chip on my shoulder from that rock and I am sure Cynthia does as well.

It's an important and unforgiving chip.

For those of you who didn't live through those years, the decision to err on the side of authority is simple. Dirty Harry taught you that. For those of us who did... We felt the pain, we did the time, we got the beatings in the Muscogee County Correction Camp and all the other little jails throughout the South where Redneck Sheriffs liked to emphasize their political beliefs.

Why did Cynthia hit back when a white man grabbed her as she endeavored to do her job?

Memories.

Peace.

For God's sake, peace.

Tom Yossarian Joad

DU

The same post with the banned title: http://www.leftandrightfight.com/

[IselaB]

10. Right.

"We have so many here that have been so ingrained to accept authority without question and damn those who dare question a cop or other authority figure.

Gotta keep them darkies (read: anyone who tilts at authority) in line!"

Yeah, that's the difference between so many here and you. That's exactly why we want this issue to go away. It has nothing to do with the reasons we've given, like how it is a no-win issue for us that is distracting attention from more serious, more newsworthy matters. That's just us rationalizing, but you've got us all figured out.

What color is the sky on Planet Smug?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

15. It is one of the REAL reasons, my friend.

Prejudice still exists.

If you don't think so, you don't live or read enough.

[IselaB]

18. And if a point was the broad side of a barn

and your mind a shotgun, you'd still miss it.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

24. Wow. How very liberal of you.

Would you like to clarify your argument with a discussion or at least a rebutt?

[LittleClarkie]

28. Cops are indeed people too. Which is why this cop is innocent til proven

guilty, just like Rep McKinney.

[matcom]

7. I REMEMBER THAT!

:rofl:

you should have SUED her for being SEXIST! No wait, RACIST! No wait, shoving a THONGED PERSON! :rofl:

:thumbsup: my BROTHER

[LittleClarkie]

8. Are you black? A woman?

If not, that's probably why. She's a black, woman Congressperson, as she's pointed out. Lookie, no touchie.

Would you say you were touched "inappropriately"? I'm still trying to figure out what she means by that. In my world, that would mean the cop tweaked her magguppie to get her to stop, but that doesn't seem likely. Just think, if you woulda biffed her one, you could have claimed "self-defense" just like her.

[babylonsister]

9. DS1, thanks for this. That bone is being chewed as we speak, and

probably for a long time to come.

[Pastiche423]

11. Disgusting

[CatWoman]

14. Word

[Pastiche423]

36. What does "word" mean?

Am I missing out because I don't have cable?

[Catherine Vincent]

41. It's short for "word up"

[WillyT]

26. Yep... DU Has Reached A New Level Of Suckage As Of Late...

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[BeFree]

12. I think its great

People who never knew she was alive are talking about her. And she's got more to say.

Here is a poor southern woman who, manhandled by the cops, has stood up for her rights, and got people taking notice.

You go, girl! Give 'em hell!

[BuyingThyme]

16. Yes, she's giving people a chance to fabricate stories about being

"manhandled." Something so low that she has not yet dared to tread there.

[DS1]

17. This is no fabrication, my friend

Ask anyone who was there.

[BuyingThyme]

19. Show me a report that says the people who were there

say she was manhandled.

[matcom]

no, HE was manhandled

i WAS there

[BuyingThyme]

46. I was talking about she.

[DS1]

22. Let's see

Lynnesin was there, Matcom was there, Willpitt was there, Kathy (Malloy's producer) was there, rbnyc was standing right behind me, GregW was there. And others.

I was pushed aside, and went :wtf: and then saw Cynthia coming up behind the pusher, and I didn't press charges.

Amazing, no?

[BuyingThyme]

45. I was talking about McKinney.

(I think the poster was too, but I'm not sure.)

[matcom]

20. i was standing right next to you

and yes, you were shoved out of the way

[DS1]

27. no response from the hatchet, yes

Why am I not surprised?

[matcom]

29. because you are a Tom Delay lovin', Karl Rove worshiping WHITE MAN

embrace the Box Turtle. come over to OUR side!

fuckin' KKK Grand Dragon YOU are :grr:

[DS1]

33. Box turtles?

Dude, box turtles are sooo last year! I got me a platoon of Donkeys now, much easier to fuck, plus they can take me and my battalion of box turtles hundreds of miles without complaining about not getting any water.

[Daylin Byak]

25. I'm sorry DU

But I cannot support Congresswomen McKinney on what's she doing. First off saying the reason why CP stopped her because she's black is outrageous. First off CP dosen't know what all the Senators and Reps look like THERE'S 535 OF THEM FOR CHRIST SAKE and that's not counting aides, clerks etc. There was no need to punch the CP officer for stopping her and grabbing her, they were just doing there job, for all we know he thought she was a terrorist or something. There was nothing racial going on here, all the CP officer wanted was some i.d cause Cindy wasn't wearing her congressional pin and she takes offense and eventually punches him.

I watched Tom DeLay on Hannity and Colmes tonight and I must say I hate DeLay and I wish he dies but I must agree with what he said tonight saying that McKinney is a racists and she has always played the race card and the symphony card.

Sorry but McKinney had to right to punch a CP officer, these people are more than tourist attractions, there actually real police who's job is to protect the people that enter and work in the building and punching one of them isn't the right thing.

I thought it was funny when they had her lawyer on and he said and I quote: "Tom Delay is nothing but i spoiled white boy." Boy that's real professional.

[DS1]

31. I have to disagree

I understand where you're coming from, but if you have an issue with authority, you should deal with it appropriately. You don't slap an officer when arrested, just like you expect Tom Delay to not slap a Sherriff when he's served with a court order.

If we all took Cynthia's approach, we'd dissolve into anarchy, and who wants that? If she felt abused, or picked out, she should have gone with it, and taken it up through the appropriate channels, and YOU CAN BET THAT PERSON WOULD'VE BEEN FIRED if wrong doing was found.

[LittleClarkie]

47. And one other thing

If the police are expected to recognize these people without tags, why require them?

[bigwillq]

21. But those tags----

I believe they do not have names nor photos on them. Correct???
So, can't any old person just plop one on their shirt and get into buildings??? :shrug:


The Capitol Police seriously need to know names and faces or they should update the tags to show names/photos--like a driver's license.

[DS1]

23. no

they need to inspect everyone
and if you are a congressman, they should have a palm-scan that even MY SHITTY ISP uses when I go into their server room, which takes less than a second...

[bigwillq]

30. So the tags

do or do not have names/photos??? :shrug:

My beef is with the Capitol security.
Regardless of whether or not she was wearing the pin---and if the pins don't have names and photogs----then it seems like any old fool could just walk right in.

But they should know names and faces also.
What if Ms. McKinney had an assassination attempt against her and these people don't know what she looks like?!?!?!?! How the hell are they going to protect her then???

[DS1]

32. I don't even agree with having pins

lookalikes are easy enough, and I don't trust the eyesight of Capital Officers, I want Biometrics in place, handprint scans, fingerprint scans, retinal scans ---- something! My ISP host is more secure than our Government. What does that say?

[bigwillq]

34. Well that's a very good point.

I do agree that the security needs to be stepped up.
But if my defense of McKinney--why wear the pin if it doesn't have any identifiable marks on it?? :shrug:

But the security have to do their job also. And know who these people are. Their job is to protect and serve and if they don't know what the hell our congress people look like then how the hell can they protect them?

[DS1]

35. It's a system built to fail

seems pretty obvious to me

weeks later

OMG, how did they get that gas inside the Capitol building?

[bigwillq]

37. What a mess.

And this admin. touts and touts it's national security.

What a crock of shit.

[DS1]

38. You could spend 1 million dollars in the private market

and have every single congressional building in DC hooked up to a centralized database security system with failover capability, that used hand-prints, fingerprint, retinal-scans or a combination of the above PLUS a scale underneath them to make sure they weren't carrying lots of sudden extra weight.

But no, nobody wants to do that.

[bigwillq]

40. Why?

Why doesn't anyone want to do that? :shrug:

[DS1]

43. Madrid

[WillyT]

44. Or... You Could Have Everybody Entering The Capital Be Buck Naked...

but nobody would want that either.

Cheaper, and everyone would be easily recognizable, but like I said...

:shrug:

[LittleClarkie]

39. Well, hell, my supermarket just got a system in

that will let me pay with the fingerprint on my index finger. Surely what you seek is doable.

[DS1]

42. that's exactly my point

it took 30 minutes for me to get an ID card made for me, which matched my hand-print in a little box where I had to place my hand against some prongs which went between specific fingers.

now i can waltz in there in less than 5 seconds. if someone has my card, they can't. if i don't have my card, i can't. if someone has my card and my dead hand, they can't (can't talk about why), if someone has my card, and me with my hand still attached, i can initiate a duress signal without them knowing.

this is all over an internet provider. you think our Dept of Homeland Security could do any better? I do.

[Lars39]

48. And then there's irony when you least expect it.

[Karenina]

49. Oh dear... gotta run

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