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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:15 PM Original message |
I don't smoke, but hatred of smokers has gone beyond over the top |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. The equation most of us follow is risk versus benefit. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. What are the benefits of consuming massive amounts of beef? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You're assuming that meat eaters and people who drink alcohol |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. But enough do it enough to cause substantial harm to others |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 PM Original message |
A drinker doesn't force me to drink |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. An SUV driver forces you to inhale carcinogens |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Does your change of subject mean you're giving up the beef arg. ? nt |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
69. Not at all |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
232. You're kidding yourself. |
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doubleplusgood (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
255. so, until we stop all pollution, we stop none ? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
56. The SUV driver is also transporting himself |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Does he/she need the SUV? No. That is a life choice |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
364. Answer is not "No" in all cases |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
139. So is the smoker, so to speak :-) n/t |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
180. The SUV's not in an enclosed space**nm |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
279. Humvee/SUV accidents heighten injuries to the "other" guy. Too massive |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
337. Don't get us started on SUVs |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
336. Exactly smoking affects all around the smoker. |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
107. risk |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
324. But that's kinda the point. You have to go to "massive" to find a problem |
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FireHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. It should be up to the owner of |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
233. And the children of smokers should be forced to breathe their smoke? |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #233 |
272. Freedom of choice means there are other restaruants to go to |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #272 |
290. Restaurants should be free to ignore the health code imposed by germ Nazis |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #290 |
294. apples and oranges |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #294 |
333. Bars should have the right to post a sign -- NO RESTROOMS -- and you could |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #333 |
381. Your logic also suggests we ban alcohol as well. |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #381 |
387. We do ban alcohol (or did you spring from the womb at 21 years of age?) |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #387 |
389. I think that you don't have to have absolutes |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #389 |
390. I'm not aware of any absolute ban -- can't you smoke outdoors, at home, in |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #272 |
359. I'm sorry, I was unaware of porn theaters where kids are welcome. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #359 |
383. So kids go to bars? |
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eeyore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #233 |
288. Just make smoking establishments adhere strictly to the drinking age. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #288 |
360. I don't think I have any problem with that idea. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
252. That isn't the point.. |
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minerva50 (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #252 |
356. Smokers don't send food back because they can't taste it. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #356 |
368. My best friend is losing her ass right now... That is fact.. |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
388. I have the same problem you do, warpy. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. here's a smoker who appreciates you rationale |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Smoking is a choice, Homosexuality is not... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No, but the use of the two politically is very similar |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
187. I agree. I have a friend who's a smoker and he was not allowed to marry |
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darkism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:48 AM Response to Reply #187 |
230. Ding ding ding! Bravo Czolgosz! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #187 |
234. Very nice. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #187 |
245. You're rebutting arguments I never made |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #245 |
256. Smokers suffer the same "discrimination" as drivers who drink but |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #256 |
258. Those who want it banned in all restaurants are not concerned with health |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #258 |
273. You have officially jumped the couch. The American College of Chest Physic |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #273 |
280. I'll give this the lengthy response it deserves once I get back from work |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #187 |
325. Fine. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Which is an EPA lie that has been debunked many times |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. Right.... |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. All I Know is that smoke STINKS, it makes my head hurt, and it makes me |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
181. Provide some |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #181 |
271. I tell you what, pal... |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #271 |
296. Still anecdotal |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #296 |
319. You're obtuse... |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #181 |
376. I provided anecdotal evidence and it is more than griping |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
274. then don't patronize smoking establishments |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
109. Which is why you are not supposed to ingest those cleaning products. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. Good Points! n/t |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
185. Well, I've got emphysema... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
235. "We live in a toxic waste dump and contaminate ourselves daily." |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #235 |
241. Actually it isn't the only right statement. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #241 |
361. Yes, all of those things are very bad for us. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Your Statement Is 100% False, And You Obviously Are Not A Smoker And |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
84. Yes, but addictions can be kicked, People quit every day. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Not Biased. If You Are Talking From A Perspective Of Which You Have No |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. addiction is ALWAYS a choice - to continue or pay the price to quit |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
177. Don't Care What You've Done, You're Still Wrong |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #177 |
190. Well, I'm another ex-smoker... |
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Thirtieschild (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #190 |
329. Another ex-smoker |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:12 AM Response to Reply #177 |
237. No, he's pretty much right. |
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deek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
202. addiction eom |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. Not smoking in a restaurant is fine. But bars? That's bullshit. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
112. The reason that the ban doesn't apply to casinos is because they are |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
189. Atlantic City Casinos are not native american reservations. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
205. I was referring to WA. Not sure about other states' laws. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
152. How about outdoor stadiums? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
196. Every casino I've ever been in... |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. If we were as obnoxious to people who drive exhaust spewing cars |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Elegantly said |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I can totally forsee a future in which a person is told,"Sir/Madam, |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
156. Maybe, but my fat doesn't directly affect your health |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #156 |
260. What about |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #260 |
346. That would be an indirect downstream effect of my fat |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. What nonsense... |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. What nonsense... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:34 PM Original message |
And the job to limit vehicle emisions in large cities is underway.. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. I do not support a ban, if that's what you mean, and neither does |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Do you use any fossil fuel at all? |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
93. By your own words ... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Preferable by all scientific measure. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #98 |
143. Scientific measure? |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #143 |
251. Ozone layer/global warming? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:15 AM Response to Reply #93 |
238. Whatever happened to "they're BOTH bad for people"? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
200. I did give up the car... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. or scales installed at the" order counter" of bakeries and pizza places |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Good grief. How would me eating donuts or pizza hurt others? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. Health issues for others affect MY premiums |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Oh, so your premiums are akin to your lungs? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. . |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
79. Your (and my, by the way) extra pounds |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. see above. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
203. How does it hurt |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
278. It doesn't. Smokers are just martyrs, that's all. n/t |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. Have you ever flown into LA or another US city ... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. The comparison is moot. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
207. Huh?... |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #207 |
220. Where do you live ... |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #220 |
259. Mobile, AL... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
158. "Indoor"? Like covered sports stadiums you mean? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Weed smokers have always had the good taste and decorum |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
85. For a second I thought you said good taste and "decorating" |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
135. As someone who's ambivalent about the bans, I gotta say... |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #135 |
212. You will never see it |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #212 |
362. Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
198. The next time... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
326. Except that smokers also drive the exhaust spewing cars. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Should I be free to scatter asbestos where I want? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That's more of a malicious act than secondhand smoke |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Oh, so INTENT is important here? Just because those smokers.. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Pointless and boring perhaps, but accurate |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. No, not accurate at all. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
73. Do you really believe that's likely? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
209. Come to Mobile, AL... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
116. How do you feel about the city that has now banned all smoking |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. Generally SUVs do not scatter them in enclosed places |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
86. For those who must use parking garages, they do |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
372. You would be wrong. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. I believe it should be market-driven. |
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bee (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. but why stop there? |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. So if we are to ban something, then it must be everything or nothing? |
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bee (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
268. its not an objection. and its not childish. |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. "Let the Free Market Work It's Magic"..... |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
75. We had a 'free-to-choose' bylaw here in Toronto ... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The "going out of business" argument is BS |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. Tell that to the restaurant and bar owners ... |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
117. No it's not Bs. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. If all the restaurants decide to permit smoking |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. If Bush decides to go to war with Iraq |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
133. That's just silly. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #101 |
262. Bush decided to go to war with Iraq ON HIS OWN |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. I agree. Besides, when compared to smoking, |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
82. My husband's proposed 'ad campaign' when ... |
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firefox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. It is the smoke people hate and not the smokers. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
96. Bullshit. |
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firefox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
328. You made my ignore list |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. My issue is with the "employee rights" thing. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. That's exactly my view |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. but DO any of the bars that COULD prohibit smoking... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. That's a good point |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
99. I don't know about bars, but many restaurants are non-smoking |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
263. they will limit their customer base if they believe it will benefit them |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #263 |
266. well, that simply did not happen in my town... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #266 |
275. But what I'm saying is: |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #275 |
284. smokers are a distinct MINORITY in this town.... |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
302. My city doesn't have any kind of smoking ban |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. Bingo.....where is the workplace safety concern..... |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
126. Great point! |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. I agree -- restaurants should be able to decide to allow smoking. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. This is the second time in a week |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Only people replying are making those comparisons |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Any comparison is inappropriate |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's all I was saying, that the two groups are used in similar ways |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. Try making the same argument with drunk driving instead of gays |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
92. I should have made a different comparison |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
102. We should force the wearing of spandex for all gays. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. That's what I was going to point out. |
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GrpCaptMandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. But what about gay smokers? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
178. Technically, there is no evidence that homosexuality is genetic |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #178 |
378. "Homosexuality does put one at risk." Bullshit. |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. Smoking bans are good public policy . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. I want to be a mechanic, but I don't want to get dirty. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. Yes... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. OSHA protects mechanics from the deletarious effects . . . |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
340. Not true. I was a mechanic for 20 years. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
103. No one is forcing you to get second hand smoke are they??? |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
128. My primary beef is that by allowing people to smoke . . . |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #128 |
162. I think most people are adult enough to know these things |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Sorry, but employers don't have the right . . . |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #168 |
179. So if all employees of a small bar smoke |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 08:33 AM Response to Reply #179 |
246. You won't find many unions banding together . . . |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. truthfully, I think it's in part a reaction against the tobacco industry.. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. I avoid restaurants that allow smoking yet I smoke. Go figure n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. Today - smokers, tomorrow - fat people, next day - arthritics |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. It's all or nothing with non-smokers. They want ALL the restaurants and |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. Yeah, compare non-smokers to Nazi's ... |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
113. Their BEHAVIOR toward smokers IS Nazi-like. IMCPSO |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. I Love Smokers - It's the Smoke That Makes Me Ill.... |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Exactly |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. while I generally agree with you that the smoke bans |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Unless you are waiting tables at the age |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
108. they were all smoking , every where, not w/smoking sections |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. I understand what you're saying |
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FireHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Florida has banned smoking in all restaraunts |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
63. Because Their smoke kills ME |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
105. Why can't you just go to a non-smoking restaurant? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Some are non smoking, but not all |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. Why should smoke be allowed in any restaurant, you ask? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. It's A Public Health Issue |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #127 |
146. By your authoritarian logic, we should just ban smoking, no? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. I Don't Care If You Smoke |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. You don't get it. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. I generally don't go where smoking is allowed |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #159 |
169. People make decisions like that all the time |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
354. I don't care if they smoke in bars, I'm talking restaurants and other |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
186. But that's the thing: YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #186 |
347. So now we are into "natural rights"? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #347 |
367. Well, I guess Alito is in, then, and gay marriage is forbidden. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #367 |
370. Alito is in? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. Does anyone else suspect that the same people supporting |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Oops, the message above was supposed to reply to the OP. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #164 |
348. Soooooo? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #348 |
379. Thanks for the advice. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. I just did a little quick & dirty math/chemistry analysis. If you sit by |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Hey Karl, I don't sit by the road either! |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #114 |
161. So it's all about YOU? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #161 |
349. Ridiculous straw man argument Nance! |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
176. Why shouldn't I be allowed to go to ANY restaurant that I want?? |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #176 |
208. You don't HAVE TO ... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #208 |
311. You obviously know nothing of asthma or severe allergies |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #176 |
239. Because... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #239 |
310. LMAO!! |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #310 |
345. Really? |
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brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #176 |
248. "Why shouldn't I be allowed to go to ANY restaurant that I want??" |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #248 |
295. Who is the person with the overbearing sense of entitlement? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #248 |
313. Yup. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #313 |
318. And I'm just saying if you don't like smoky restaurants, don't go |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #318 |
334. You're right - if I want to hang out with you, it's my choice. |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #176 |
307. If you were allergic to peanuts |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #307 |
312. Hello Straw-man! |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #312 |
317. sitting in a room 20 feet from a smoker |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #317 |
332. If you can smell it, it's dangerous. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #176 |
350. Amen AZ, that is what I'm talking about! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #105 |
315. "Why can't you just go to a non-smoking restaurant?" |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #315 |
320. Gee, maybe us hicks are just too unenlightened to get it. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
129. so does the fumes from the cleansers used to sanitize buildings... |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #129 |
136. Take down the silly strawman arguments |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #136 |
147. Jesus loves you. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Yes, Jesus does, My mother did too! |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #136 |
167. so industrial cleaners are perfectly safe? and disease? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #167 |
351. Yes, but we are talking about SMOKING! |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
67. Public smoking will be banned most everywhere in our lifetimes. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
142. It's about damned time! |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #142 |
211. So much for the Land of the Free....... Driving is dangerous too! |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #211 |
353. Freedom is not free! |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. Same reason why society discriminates against the overweight |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
148. I Don't Care If You Smoke |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
74. Ah' Popcorn! The choice of a tobacco quitter. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
80. I agree w/you 100% |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
83. Sorry, that's flawed logic: most other 'life choices' don't |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. Absolutely they do |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
89. Thanks for being rational jpgray. There are few people like you |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
124. while you are on the subject of driving |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #124 |
145. I field strip it... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
138. Old |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
97. The simple truth is that most often it's the non-smokers who have |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Wah! |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. I don't have to make the choice. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. Not at all. I don't want anyone to have to inhale second-hand |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. So, the only "choice" worth considering is that of smokers? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. I'm not saying the only the rights of smokers matter at all |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. But smokers can attend a smoke-free business |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #137 |
151. Give me a break. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #151 |
249. Why do you get the right to polute the air in an enclosed public space... |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #151 |
292. Most reformed smokers are like women who have had abortions |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #137 |
153. Businesses that allow smoking are discriminating against non-smokers? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #153 |
163. They may not be discriminating, but they are keeping many customers |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. Good. You have made your choice. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #137 |
201. And how exactly are the patrons going to be affected? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #137 |
236. Wrong, both smokers & non-smokers suffer health effects in a |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #110 |
125. NO. That's NOT what we're saying. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. Because what if all bars want to be smoking? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
157. LOL....of course you didn't answer my question. You people never do. n/t |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #157 |
250. I did answer it. I said you can't make your own ideal little scenarios... |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #250 |
309. Being a little autoritarian nanny statist |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #309 |
344. Do they have enough positions for all the non-smokers who |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #97 |
120. And I'm happy that you're happy ... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:53 PM Original message |
The US studies I've seen show no revenue loss |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
223. Firstly, thank you for your reply, and for providing ... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:54 AM Response to Reply #223 |
242. Averages and city-wide studies |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #223 |
385. Boy, you said that well! Thanks! n/t |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
191. Be grateful that you still have a choice. How lucky for you. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
299. So you were still smoking and a smoking ban eliminated your cough & smell? |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
111. Congrats on a cogent, interesting post |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
115. You know what the irony of these arguments are? |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
140. Here Here |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #140 |
160. I would characterize it as a war on PERCIEVED public health. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #115 |
182. Now that is the voice of a true addict. You now smoke out of spite? Lol |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #182 |
253. Or the voice of a defiantly independant person. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #115 |
184. Ohmigod same here! |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #184 |
314. Really? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #314 |
331. Blow it out your ass Mongo |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #331 |
339. Did I uh' miss something here? |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
121. I would agree that restaurants could have smoking if wait staff all wore |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
132. You assume no wait people smoke themsleves. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #132 |
175. No, I don't assume that. I just think we should apply an air quality |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #175 |
254. I would have no problem with your gas engine... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #254 |
373. That's crap and you know it. If you can smell it, it necessarily means |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Okay, I just CAN'T let THAT one slide ... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #134 |
172. So you want to stop corporations from killing people but not smokers? |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #172 |
204. As I said in my post ... |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #172 |
257. Last time I looked, corporations weren't people. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #134 |
173. I know. I feel like Health Canada owes me a lung already |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #121 |
155. I disagree with your health care cost argument! |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #155 |
166. Thanks! |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #166 |
171. No, but the damn complainers should shut up! |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #171 |
195. You may not have noticed my earlier posts ... |
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princehal (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #155 |
174. I am on my 2nd week of being smoke free |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #174 |
183. As long as it was YOUR decision to quit, that's great! |
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princehal (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #183 |
188. Well yeah |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:49 PM Response to Reply #174 |
199. And all non-smokers smell GOOD? |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #199 |
216. Oh please. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #174 |
215. Congratulations! You've made a wise choice... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #155 |
193. Most smokers avoid doctors like the plague |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #193 |
210. Naw, the very few times I've ever visited a Dr. I always told the truth. |
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princehal (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
192. So |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #192 |
322. Knock yourself out, pal. |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
194. As An Ex-Smoker, I Love The L.A. Smoking Ban |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
197. whatever the outcome of smoking bans, I will only choose to spend my time |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #197 |
323. That sounds very workable. |
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newsguyatl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
206. i loathe smokers |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #206 |
297. I loathe self-righteous assholes |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #206 |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
213. Non-smoker here. I agree. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #213 |
218. I agree. Let's go after the corporations so that people can blow smoke at |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #218 |
226. Cry me a river. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #226 |
374. But we do regulate drinking. With rights come responsibilities. |
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Homey (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
214. bullshit |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #214 |
217. What an enlightened second post! nt |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #214 |
219. Welcome to DU Homey! |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
221. very cogent and perceptive points, jpgray. good on ya. |
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moriverrat (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
222. Follow the money |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
224. Try to consider the view from someone that is allergic to smoke. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #224 |
227. I'm allergic to cats. Should we outlaw them too? |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Does anyone force you to breathe second hand cat hair? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #228 |
229. What about the pet store employees? Have you no concern for them? |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #229 |
298. If you are allergic to cats, and you work in a pet store....... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #228 |
304. Ban the cats! (just kidding) |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #228 |
386. Why would someone with cat allergies work at a pet store? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #227 |
308. You don't seriously consider that a legitimate analogy? |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #308 |
342. Hey. No one said you *had* to have a cat. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #342 |
352. OK, but take it a step further. |
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nicknameless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #352 |
366. Cigarette smoke is a "Class A" Carcinogen. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #366 |
369. yes it was. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #224 |
291. No one is allergic to smoke. ETS is not an allergen. n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #291 |
355. Cig smoke is a trigger, not an allergen, that can cause asthma attacks. |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #224 |
321. Where were all the people like you |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #321 |
358. I was a young child being raised by smokers in the 1950s. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #224 |
327. Ditto. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
225. This is where the smoking ban argument falls apart IMO |
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PittLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
231. I have to comment on this ... |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #231 |
240. Excellent Response... |
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alfred e bush (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #240 |
243. taco bell |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:24 AM Response to Reply #231 |
244. Cough cough, hack ...... a big large hawker coming you're way soon...argh! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #231 |
363. I have not expressed self-righteousness or moral outrage. |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
247. Ever think the restaurants want it to be mandatory so they don't have to |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #247 |
264. Did you provide your brother with a butt can? |
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princehal (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #264 |
269. >Smokers who have receptacles for their butts don't litter. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #269 |
285. If your hostess insists that you take a shit ouside. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
261. One flaw in your analogies. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
265. Houston restaurants went non-smoking in September. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
267. American Cancer Society - tapping into Tobacco Settlement Funds |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
270. Tobacco smoke kills non-smokers, too. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #270 |
276. nobody forces you to go to smoking establishments |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #276 |
283. ...and why should I pay... |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #283 |
293. your not |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #293 |
338. Smoking costs are estimated at $50 billion dollars per year. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #338 |
382. Your not paying a dime |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
277. Can we give these stupid "why do you hate smoker" threads a rest? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #277 |
301. No, we don't need you to keep explaining it. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
281. Banning smoking in restraunts is in no way an insult to smokers |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
282. Smoker bring it upon themselves. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
286. Who hates smokers? Talk about hyperbole. |
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StraightDope (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #286 |
306. "...used air laced with a bazillion identified carcenogenic toxins." |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
287. I agree and I too am a non-smoker. |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
289. I think we should ban out of wedlock sex |
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TimeChaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
300. As I said before, |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #300 |
316. You're too kind |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
303. This one is easy: I like to breathe. |
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StraightDope (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
305. Anti-smoking zealots are providing fodder for the Right... |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
330. Thanks for being so sane and rational |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
335. Lay off the beef industry you bastard!~ |
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MikeNY (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
341. Its wrong to single out a group of people |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
343. I don't hate smokers, I hate the smoke! |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
357. All I want to be able to do is taste my food |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #357 |
371. That's What I'm Talking About! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #371 |
377. That's the arsenic talking |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
375. Very well said!!! |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
380. I'm pro-choice n/t |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
384. The lawmakers are now targeting.... |
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Moderator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
391. Locking |
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