Lindsey Graham says Bush is innocent because he BELIEVES it was legal

[Ian David]

[Olney Blue]

1. And I'm 21 again because I BELIEVE I am 21.

[rodeodance]

2. I head that illogical rant! He went on and on about it.

[liveoaktx]

29. VIDEO snip

the Good Faith argument

Sheesh. The asylums are full of good faith mental cases.

[Strawman]

53. In the words of Chief Wiggum..

I'd have to say this to Graham:

"Well, your story is verrrry compelling, Mr. Jackass."

[barbaraann]

3. That would mean Bush is deranged rather than criminal.

I think the reality might be some of both.

[liveoaktx]

4. I believed when I was spying in my neighbor's window standing

outside their bedroom and listening night after night that, because they might be talking about harm to me, it was legal for me to do it. I was sincere! I did it in Good Faith! Why are you arresting me for being a Peeping Tom?

[Bozita]

55. That is good!

[Nikki Stone1]

5. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you're Junior

NT

[rurallib]

6. What a great defense for every DUI in the country!

"Oshifer, I believe I am sober!"

[Avalux]

7. OMFG. What an absurd statement.

I have no words...... :silly:

[dchill]

8. Lindsey Graham KNOWS...

that Bush believes a lot of shit. Screw what Bush believes and what Lindsey Graham says. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[Fridays Child]

9. And he wants the country to respect him for his great legal mind.

:rofl:

Edited to add: Hey, Graham, if B*sh thought it was legal, why did he lie about it in the 2004 campaign? Ever hear of that little thing called "consciousness of guilt," in all the time that you practiced law?

[TaleWgnDg]

10. Lindsey is a lawyer. Lindsey is legally defining . . .

Bush's assertions/behavior through the lens of "intent" . . . however, what Lindsey is not saying is that he's arguably wrong in criminal law's objective standard re mens rea . . .

In short, Lindsey is parsing legality to sound correct thereby backing his party's president. S'all. Politics is such fun.

[Inland]

32. Almost reflexively, Lindsey is defending against an impeachment charge.

After all, if a president is making an inexcusable interpretation of the law, then what better result than to just SAY so with a censure vote? The Labrador Retriever defense is for impeachment or a criminal charge, and it's interesting that Graham is defending Bush from charges that nobody has made.

[TaleWgnDg]

41. Yup. I agree. And well said. n/t

[LiberalPartisan]

11. So if a pedophile believes...

Well, Graham is from South Carolina, so I guess that logic flies...


Sheeesh.

[yellowcanine]

12. The president has a responsibility to know what is legal and what is

not. He has high paid lawyers to tell him if he doesn't know himself. Bush can't hide under that rock.

[NanceGreggs]

14. Don't you mean ...

"Bush can't hide under that CROCK!"

[yellowcanine]

18. or CROTCH!

[Inland]

34. He SHOULD have CONGRESS to tell him, too.

LIke hearings and oversight. But our Congress is AWOL, and when the issue arises in this hearing, Graham won't make a peep. Disgusting.

[Junkdrawer]

13. As ignorant as Bush is, he can't use that excuse...He lied about...

"always" going to the FISA court before he taps phones.

[Junkdrawer]

17. So...for those keeping score...Lindsey Graham is lying to cover...

Bush's lying about Bush's illegal activities.

[madmom]

15. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[EFerrari]

16. What an idiot. I saw that. Can't we outsource this guy

to Mars? He'd do well in a void.

[Lasher]

19. I wish I could get Graham to believe he can fly (EOM)

[dogday]

20. And Lindsey wasn't suffering from a hangover today

because he believes he doesn't drink :rofl:

[yy4me]

21. and if he didn't believe it was legal, he could post his name to a

"signing statement". That would make him innocent because it would now be legal. Good grief, what a bunch of BS. (excuse me, it was one of those days)

[MSgt213]

22. Getting bad legal advice does not save you. Knowing the law is still

an individual responsibilty. The excuse is also flimsy if you only ask for one side of issues and fire any of your lawyers that tell you different.

[The Magistrate]

23. Someone Should Try That On Before A Judge, Sir

The ensuing hilarity would be a pleasure for all on-lookers....

[dchill]

48. Well, if the "someone" is Lindsey Graham...

or some other Republican, and the judge is Scalia or one of his clones, there might not be much to laugh about...

[tridim]

24. Pass the joint

It's now legal because I (and millions of others) believe it should be legal. Joy!

[MissWaverly]

25. isn't he the one who had the virtual debate included

in the Supreme Court Brief on the detainees, but he had no debate on the senate floor
that day.

[Hubert Flottz]

26. Charles Manson and Jim Jones probably believed they were...

above the law too.

And Bill Clinton believed what he was doing was legal and it was!

[Benhurst]

27. If you BELIEVE in Lindsey, clap! Clap, children! Clap! NT

[Roland99]

50. I believe! Praise Jay-Sus!!

[Benhurst]

51. Just one or two more prayers and the little girl in the lower right-hand

corner will stop picking her nose. PTL!

[Roland99]

52. Digging for gold for the Lord! Can I get an A-MEN!

[paul_fromatlanta]

28. There are some laws where what you believe matters but

I don't think wiretapping is one of them. Self defense, for example can depend on whether you believed you were in danger.

Consider article 2 section 2 of the impeachment charges against Nixon - it doesn't seem to go to intent.

>He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security<<

Disclaimer: I know the law has been rewritten since then (FISA ).

Disclaimer #2: all the President Bush has acknowledged doing without a warrant is taping incoming foreign calls from terrorists which is a different matter all together.

[Hubert Flottz]

31. We already know, that he was spying on Quakers and anti-war...

protesters and groups and animal rights groups, not connected to the 9/11 terrorists.


Edit...Maybe Mr. Graham should be held to account for not upholding the Constitution and the rule of law like he swore to do? Maybe we should one day hold him accountable for obstruction of justice and as a willing co conspirator?

[Inland]

30. "Well, let's not do anything about it. There's a war, and it's Friday."

"Let's collect our paycheck and go home."

[Lexingtonian]

33. I guess I don't have to pay taxes this year

since I believe what they do with the money is illegal.

Oh, wait, for some reason the law doesn't let people like me do that.

[EFerrari]

35. We need to codify the Unitary Citizen theory. n/t

[lonestarnot]

36. I believe when I steal all that money from the bank that I needed

it worse than them, and that I just borrowed it with no intention of paying it back, therefore I am innocent. What a load of crap.

[northofdenali]

37. "This crowd in the White House really believes this stuff"

I swear, just that phrase makes me :puke: but - and don't get me wrong here, I am NO fan of Grahams - does he sound skeptical to anyone else? Check liveoaktx's clip - I swear I think he was saying this with a definite smirk in his voice and tongue-in-cheek look on his face.

Not that it excuses him for even bringing up the magical thinking of the "crowd in the White House". Hey, I believe I'm George W. Bush!! What's that asshole doing in MY HOUSE???

[moondust]

38. Preposterous, like everything else GOP.

It's silly to pretend that the President of the United States, whoever that may be, will have "unlimited powers" until the so-called "War on Terror" is over and "won", which it never will be. The framers of the Constitution are rolling in their graves.

[drmom]

39. Yes, the insanity defense...

...if you murder someone, but truly believe that murder is not wrong, then you are acquitted by means of insanity.

[antonialee839]

40. and I believe it's legal for me to rob a bank.

[Twist_U_Up]

42. Shouldn't this have its own FISA forum ?

I mean

election fraud forum

9-11 forum

isn't this a so called conspiracy theory too???:wtf:

fairs fair

[Bunny]

43. Okay. And Clinton never committed perjury, because he didn't

BELIEVE he was having a sexual relationship with Monica. Remember your role in that little bit of American history, Lindsey???

[Poiuyt]

44. And Hitler truly believed that he was right in eliminating the Jews

[Left Is Write]

45. Whatever happened to...

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

[undeterred]

46. So we are each a law unto ourselves

I believed that your car and your spouse were mine so I guiltlessly had my way with your spouse in your car.

[dchill]

47. No, No , No !!!

Only REPUBLICANS in OFFICE are a law unto themselves. Everyone else will be prosecuted! For whatever! You need to ask Lindsey Graham about this! He knows!

[Lisa]

49. just another day in the Unreality-Based Community! (n/t)

[Jawja]

54. And Clinton believed he

didn't have real sexual relations with Monica and therefore, didn't commit perjury - but that was somehow lost on Lindsey Graham.

Just another slimy, rubber-stamp Repug. I haven't forgotten all those self-righteous speeches by Graham during the impeachment hearings, where RULE OF LAW was above all else, and no President was above the law, unless it's George W. Bush, a Repug President.

[Jack Rabbit]

56. I know a lady who thinks animals talk to her

So, as long as she really believes it, I guess she's perfectly sane.