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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:45 PM
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Poll question: Do you favor improving economic conditions in central amcerican countries?
Do you favor improving economic conditions in central amcerican countries to solve the root of the "immigration problem"?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:46 PM
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1. Yes!
Now, someone present this idea to the Dems in congress!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:49 PM
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2. funny--George Will thought he was insulting Sherrod Brown when
said Brown wanted fair trade (which Will put in ironic quotes).
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:52 PM
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3. Great idea but we are ill prepared to even help our people here.
You want examples? Lets play a game shall we?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:54 PM
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5. correction we are ill prepared UNDER BUSH to do so
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:01 PM
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9. Besides Carter helping the Panamenians get their port.
I have not heard of any Democrat doing good for Latin America lately. Or maybe I suffer from selective memory. Seriously, I am not trying to be sarcastic.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:53 PM
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20. That is a good point/question. I would like to know myself.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:52 PM
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4. I favor improving economic conditions all over the world. A sound economy
means working people and families who are themselves consumers.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:58 PM
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6. Can't vote. I'm all for helping people but I want them to ask first.
Time and again we are being told that we must help other countries. Usually it turns out all we did is help our own countries.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:01 PM
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8. not at all a bad point
culture is often forgotten about and is part of the reason Iraq is now the way it is

ignore it at your peril
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Terra Terra Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:59 PM
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7. I believe many people will not be consistent on this issue
Sure, everyone wants to improve the economic conditions so that illegal immigrants don't feel they have to leave their country to have a better life. However, is that not what is happening when jobs are outsourced to India? Good jobs that pay much more than the prevailing wage are being sent overseas, thereby improving the economic conditions in India, but there seems to be a general consensus that this is detrimental to the American middle class. Be careful what you wish for.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:03 PM
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10. improving economic conditions in a foreign country has NOTHING to do with
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 05:05 PM by jsamuel
outsourcing jobs!!!

That is what Bush/Corporations want us to think.

How does bringing in US Corporations making billions of dollars off of native workers help the native country? IT DOESN'T! It helps the corporation because they can pay their workers less.

Outsourcing will not help the economic conditions in central america.

Investing in Central American companies and individual's businesses will though. Small business loans, ....
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Terra Terra Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:25 PM
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17. I disagree
Is it your honest opinion that the workers in India hired by US tech companies have not been helped? If they have been helped by having a job that pays well by local standards, which I believe they have, then that in turn helps the subject country by putting more money into the economy.

Outsourcing can help the countries of central and south america, but i do not favor that approach. However, good luck finding any company that wants to invest in countries in south america. With Hugo Chavez voiding contracts with oil companies and seizing land and property that had not been used for production in recent years, and Evo Morales announcing that he will nationalize once-private industries, a signal was sent to foreign businesses that their investments in facilities and infrastructure could be taken from them without due process. This is definitely not going to attract foreign investment.

This is not to defend the actions of the companies who negotiated their contracts with a corrupt administration. However, in order for a company to invest money in a foreign country they must feel that their investment is secure. While I applaud the actions of Chavez and Morales in their efforts to help the poor in their respective countries, some of their actions have been a double-edged sword that scared away foreign investment.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:28 PM
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19. are you kidding, they already are, they would be crazy not to
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 05:44 PM by jsamuel

Fidelity Latin America Fund
Average Annual Total Returns
% growth!!!
1 Year 63.38
3 Year 66.24
5 Year 25.63
10 Year 14.97
Life 12.46


that beats oil!

on edit:
Oh, btw, outsourcing in India is like a blood transfusion to a patient who is bleeding to death. It helps keeps them alive, but it doesn't close their wounds or help them get better. But the company supplying the blood makes a bundle.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:58 PM
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21. We have to improve their wages too
And insist on the same kind of environmental and other regulations so that the same US corporations don't destroy their countries instead of ours. It's all the same problem. We either fight for each other and all go up together, or just plain fight and all go down together.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:08 PM
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11. What about we improve conditions in CA by
not f#cking with them? It's worked pretty well since most of them have refused to sign of on not holding the US responsible in the ICC and so, the Pentagon has had to back off.

Central America is doing much better since the Pentagon isn't looking so closely over their shoulder.

:)

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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:10 PM
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13. no military, none of that shit
I am talking about investing in Central American companies and individual small businesses. Small business loans... (Give people a chance to start out)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:19 PM
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16. Well, when you take "that shit" out of the equation
most of those places start to do pretty well in their own right.

It's pretty amazing.

My uncle is a medium sized business owner in El Salvador and a rightwinger. He's pretty surprised to find out that when you pry the Pentagon out of your economy, other businesses flourish.

We should try that here. :)
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:10 PM
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12. And how would that happen? We have our own economic Tsunami brewing...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:13 PM
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14. this is just an initial idea from me
Invest in Central American companies and individual small businesses. Small business loans... (Give people a chance to start out)

obviously this is not going to happen under Bush, so we need to get our government back

he will just want to outsource more jobs
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:18 PM
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15. You know there are companies that are considered "liberal"
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 05:18 PM by Lost-in-FL
that are helping Latin America. For example (and someone correct me if I am wrong) Starbucks get their coffee from many South American countries, etc.

But is your question asking for the US Government to help with better policies or you are referring to US coorporations? I am confused here.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:25 PM
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18. understandably
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 05:32 PM by jsamuel
I suggest that either the US government give or encourage the central american governments to give small business loans and such. Encourage the governments to invest in companies from their own countries. Encourage us to invest in central american countries.

Look at what has happened recently:


Fidelity Latin America Fund
Average Annual Total Returns
% growth!!!
1 Year 63.38
3 Year 66.24
5 Year 25.63
10 Year 14.97
Life 12.46

That beats oil!

Now most of this is probably coming from South America, but the same could be done with Central America.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:01 PM
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22. That's what the world bank was supposed to do
Instead the money went into big multi-national corprations. That's what the revolt and "leftist" elections are all about. Trickle down didn't work any better in any other country than it does here. That's why it's all the same problem and we're stupid to be fighting each other. Corporations have to be regulated, we have to demand they pair fair wages, the "market" just doesn't work.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:02 PM
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23. Not until we have our own shit together.
We have our own poor economic conditions to deal with first. Conditions that are worsening by the day.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:14 PM
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24. we can help both at the same time
it is the "us first" attitude that gets us in so much trouble much of the time, but I do agree that we have problems of our own, that is why we need the government back first
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:31 PM
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25. kick
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