My butt-kicking of a Freeper on Abortion

[rpgamerd00d]

His post:

"If liberals want abortion "rare," they'd be supporting abstinence.
Over ONE MILLION abortions per year in the U.S. and over 45 MILLION per year worldwide IS NOT RARE, YOU JACKASSES!!!"

(another freeper replied)
"Just wanted to point out our public school system presents an abstinence program. It starts in 6th grade. Of course parents can opt their kids out, if they wish."

My reply:

Oh, so much stupidity for me to go through.

Lets start with abstinance.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

To a Republican, the way to stop murder, is to tell people "Don't murder".
To a Republican, the way to stop speeding, is to tell people "Don't speed".
To a Republican, the way to stop fraud, is to tell people "Don't defraud."
To a Republican, the way to stop pregnancy, is to tell people "Don't have sex."

Again, I must say:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

What friggin world do you people live in? People LIKE sex. Telling people to not have sex is like telling Star Jones to not eat Ice Cream. Its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Abstinance is the most unrealistic, delusional, naive idea for pregnancy prevention ever postulated by mankind. You should be embarassed to even mention it.

OK, now, lets go on. Lets look at the actual data of WHO is having abortions, shall we?

Link: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/teen_stats.html

Data: (only goes from 1972 to 2000, sorry, it'll have to do for purposes of discussion)

Women aged 15-19 who had abortions:
1998: 248,680
1999: 240,940
2000: 235,470

If the total abortions is "over a million" per year, then teenagers represent less than 1/4 (25%) of abortions. That means ADULTS represent over 75% of them. Your diatribe about teaching abstinance "in school" is meaningless, even if it was effective, because of this. You'd be missing 75% of your target audience.

I think that pretty much nails the coffin shut on this moronic idea of abstinance.

So, whats left?
One and only one thing, the thing that makes the most logical sense - Contraception.

Since we know for a fact people are going to have sex whether you like it or not, the only rational, logical way to prevent abortions is contraception. Multiple forms of contraception provide practically perfect protection against pregnancy. Women who take "the pill", plus use condoms, plus use creams, etc. bring the efficicacy to 100%. In addition, education on HOW to use each form of contraception increases its efficacy. (link and link and link)

And if that isn't embarassing enough, there is "The Morning After" pill and other emergency contraception. IUD Emergency Contraception is 99.9% effective (0.1% failure rate). link

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

Abortion.

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/issues/issues_not_afraid.html

"In January of 2000 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, (CDC) reported the latest statistics gathered on abortions performed in the United States. In 1997, the CDC said that 1,184,758 abortions were performed, the lowest level in two decades. Additionally, approximately 88% were performed during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. In actual numbers that would mean that 1,042,587 were performed in the first 3 months of pregnancy or in the first trimester. That leaves approximately 14,217 that were performed after the first trimester."

[LisaLynne]

1. You might have just made a head explode.

Because you used like, facts and stuff and actually were telling the truth. I don't know if they can handle that.

Oh well -- probable messy outcome aside, good job! :yourock:

[shoelace414]

2. would YOU have not had sex if your teachers told you to not have sex?

[rpgamerd00d]

4. If if I did refrain from sex, it would have only been till age 18.

Abstinance doesn't address the issue in the first place - sex without contraception.

[shoelace414]

7. As Al Franken says..

Abstinence education works.. right up to the point where it doesn't work anymore, then they need birth control eduction.

[Lerkfish]

5. depends. was it sex with the teachers?

sorry, just couldn't resist. struck me funny.

[LiberalVoice]

3. Where I come from...

a "God damn!" would be in order. lol

Do you have any of their replies to that post?

[rpgamerd00d]

8. There were other conversations goin on, and no one addressed my post

except one other "moderate" who agreed with me.

[NewJeffCT]

6. great job

Thanks for posting. Did you get any response back yet?

[rpgamerd00d]

9. Got first freeper response:

"Ok, so can we put to rest the notion that most abortion *isn't* about birth control? I appears to me that it is."

x(

[rpgamerd00d]

10. My reply to that reply:

So, would you then agree, that an increase in actual birth control (condoms especially) would be the #1 way to reduce abortions? Because, again, abstinance doesn't work on adults, because adults like to have sex and you have no venue to "teach abstinance" to adults. Not to mention, they would laugh in your face. They are GOING to have sex. Well ?

[Fleshdancer]

11. GREAT response....

I just love the ridiculous abstinence only argument - or as I call it, the Three Monkey's approach: Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil. It's a cop out for adults who don't want to have to deal with the reality of teenage hormones which is just plain bad parenting. It's like giving someone a drivers license without teaching them driver safety...the consequences are too big to not educate young people.