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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:38 PM
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Graham/Kyl (?) insert fake statements into Cong. record re: Hamdan
Did anybody here about that? Some court reporter discussed this today, and I think Nina Totenberg reported it, too.

Lindsey Graham and another pug senator (Kyl?) inserted a bogus dialogue into the Congressional Record which tried to support the applicability (ex post facto) of the legislation regarding military tribunals, said legislation possibly being affected by the case currently before the SCOTUS.

this is important because, according to the reporter, the court will consider arguments dealing with the legislation, above and beyond the legislation itself, in determining whether the law in question should affect the Hamdan case. The problem for the fascists is that only repeated comments by Sen. Levin appeared in the record during the discussion of the law, and he was ADAMANT that this law had NO relevance to Hamdan.

What Graham and his cronies did was to make up a "colloquy" that appeared to have actually occurred on the Senate floor, including the typical sort of "may I interrupt/have some of the senators' time?" exchanges commonly seen during actual hearings. this colloquy did NOT occur during the bill's discussion, and was inserted into the congressional record after the fact (a common occurrence, but almost never happening under these circumstances, according to the reporters)

this is just another example of the depths to which these creeps will sink to further destroy the rights of citizens

I googled for some links regarding this, btw, but without success

anybody have any more details?

really made me angry
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:42 PM
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1. There's a post on DU ....
I can't find the post but here is what it contained:

This was copied from http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007217.php


Fraud and Perjury? Or at least that is what appears to be the case here.
Today the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the case of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. The Court will be called upon to determine--among other things--whether a provision in last year's Detainee Treatment Act ("DTA") effectively strips the Court of jurisdiction to hear Hamdan's case. The Government contends that it does and in support of this position, Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and John Kyl have filed an amicus brief with the Court.
This amicus brief argues that the legislative history of the DTA supports the Government's position. Specifically, the brief cites a lengthy colloquy between Senators Kyl and Graham themselves which purportly took place during a Senate floor debate just prior to passage of the bill.
Sounds harmless, huh? Here's the catch:
Apparently this entire 8 page colloquy--which is scripted to read as if it were delivered live on the floor of the Senate, complete with random interruptions from other Senators--never took place.
A.L. points out the Emily Bazelon at Slate was the one who first confirmed this after lawyers for Hamdan pointed this out in their brief (emphasis mine):
In their own brief to the court, Hamdan's lawyers said that Kyl and Graham's colloquy didn't take place on the floor of the Senate. As evidence, they cite the C-SPAN tape for the debate leading up to the Dec. 21 voice vote. Kyl and Graham don't appear. (See for yourself.) Senate officials confirm that the Graham-Kyl colloquy was inserted.
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At another , Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., appears to interject a question. "If I might interrupt," he begins.
I called Brownback's office to ask if he'd given this testimony live on the Senate floor. "Yes, it was live," an aide told me. I said that I'd been told otherwise by Senate staffers and mentioned the C-SPAN tape. "Let me call you back," the aide said. She never did. Nor did Kyl or Graham's press reps.
Folks, regardless of whether you support Bush or not, if what Hamdan's lawyers and Bazelon report is true (and it appears to be true) this is fraud of the worst kind - fabricating a debate/conversation just to prove their rubber-stamp loyalty to the weak King George (who is so weak he has no guts to fire anyone and meekly accepted the resignation of Andy Card).
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:18 PM
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5. that's it, exactly....and, as usual, it's worse than I'd heard.
that bit about Brownback lying about his own 'testimony' on TV just about says it all

too bad he's got a safe seat, and that such mendacity probably won't hurt him politically

bet this will get zero play in the M$M. no room for anything but missing white chix and marching brown people
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:26 PM
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6. Well I sent it out to like minded friends
and I am a constituent of Sen Graham. However, I think this level of fraud and perjury is so deviously difficult to discover and flesh out in the first place that when it does come out - people either can't understand the seriousness of the issue or can't connect person A to action B to now court case C because they all happened at different times.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:47 PM
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2. Like when Roberts-Bond-Hatch ADDED Rove talking points against Wilson into
the Intel Committee's Iraq report. Only they signed that addendum to the report. Fitzgerald should have nailed them for their lies. I'm still hoping.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:00 PM
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4. I remember that very well....pretty sure I posted on that fiasco
the VRWC went nuts with that bit of BS as part of their highly coordinated smear against him and his wife, and the media went along with it, 'amazingly,' just as they did the Swiftboat and Ratherboat campaigns
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:53 PM
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3. very curious. It's amazing what these cretins are getting
away with. Horrifing, actually.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:17 PM
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7. talking about this now on AAR
well, they were, til just now

"..the corrupt Antony, fat Tony, Scalia..."

amen to that

think he'll recuse?

think he'd have recused if he'd been in Roberts' shoes?
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:25 PM
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8. k&r nt
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:34 PM
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9. they're doing the SCOTUS case on Lehrer right now
bet they don't cover the fraudulent exchange
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