Official NSA Spying Hearing Thread # 3

[liveoaktx]

LINK to thread #2

[Sydnie]

1. Thanks ! n/t

[liveoaktx]

2. Hatch back up- ASS!!!!

[liveoaktx]

3. Hatch seems to have a KING fetish

[Sydnie]

4. Oh how I hope Hatch's word come back to bite him in the ass

when it's not THIS president doing things that are not lawful!

[rodeodance]

5. Hatch talking of Pres. powers again.

[rodeodance]

9. Hatch appreciates Specter coming up with new LAW (witch forgets Bush

broke the 1978 law)

[The Witch]

14. I did not forget! (Oh, did you mean "which"?)

Sorry! Copy editor by trade! :-)

[rodeodance]

50. oops, Witch, yes, i meant which. oops

[helderheid]

6. Hatch is up. DONATE TO PETE ASHDOWN FOR SENATE:

www.peteashdown.org

I would much rather be listening to him!!

[liveoaktx]

7. Hatch "Good IF we can comply with the FISA statute"

arguing that president power trumps his following the law

[FormerRepublican]

19. How, exactly, do presidential powers trump this:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentiv

Oh, right. They think the Constitution should be rewritten, and they shouldn't use the amendment process to do it.

What a bunch of freaking dictators.

[rodeodance]

61. "war powers"

[Sydnie]

8. "will comply with" was more correct Hatch

Statutes that the president "will or can comply to". Can't he comply to all of them?

[liveoaktx]

10. Hatch- Fruit of the poisonous tree.... arguments

Kornblum- Ames never went to trial. If he had gone to trial, his attorney would have challenged all the evidence obtained in warrantless searches.

[liveoaktx]

11. Kornblum- Defense lawyers can't see FISA applications

[liveoaktx]

13. Kornblum-Warrantless applications would be subject to discovery

at trial. Classified information procedures act

[The Witch]

12. Why does Hatch get two rounds in a row?

:puke:

Incidentally:

repuke coworker talking about vanity fair article on 9/11 widow "Oh people get so caught up in Iraq :eyes: and 'are we treating the terrorists fairly' :eyes: they forget how horrible it was"

:eyes: are her expressions, btw

[liveoaktx]

15. Specter grossly unfair to give Hatch more time and questions when

he cut off the DEMS, including Feingold at the beginning. Ass.

[The Witch]

16. Specter's not only grossly unfair, he's unfairly gross. n/t

[Sydnie]

18. Bwahahahahahaha n/t

[liveoaktx]

17. If one parties to conversation not Al Qaida, that's outside of the pres

purvue. AG said one party in the US, one overseas, one Al Qaida, if neither Al Qaida, how can that be justified under the NSA program?

[liveoaktx]

20. Kornblum-District Judge would protect a criminal

Hatch- warrantless surveillance.

To be admissible, evidence would have to be lawfully obtained. Law is clear that President has the authority to do warrantless surveillance, if foreign involved.

[liveoaktx]

Specter taking issue with Hatch- separation of powers

"YOu are not a judge". Judges make determination of constitutionality, not Senators.

Hatch "We make them every day..."

Specter- "Violates the principle of separation of powers'

GOOD. he is against having the Intell committee do the oversight.

[The Witch]

21. I love how they are using "terrorist" and "criminal" and not addressing

whether or not they have the probable cause to say one or the other is a terrorist/criminal. that's what the court is supposed to determine. MORONS.

[Sydnie]

22. Specter kissing hatch's ass then slapping him in the face!

A bitch slap at that.

[The Witch]

25. That's funny as hell. Specter is telling Hatch to be more subtle

in his hackery. Not quite so obvious, Orrin! I promise to give you the blowjob later!

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. lol! That was so totally cool!

[wtmusic]

23. Hatch / Specter mutual fellatio session in progress

:eyes:

[The Witch]

28. AHAH see my prev. post right above you

great minds think alike

[dogday]

24. What are Hatch and Spector arguing about? nt

[liveoaktx]

29. About Dewine's amendment that would send NSA, not to a court

but to the intel committee

[Sydnie]

36. Was it DeWine that paraded out the law change in 2001 or 2002

that they squelched because they didn't want anyone to know what they were doing? I can't for thre life of me remember who it was that proposed the change then and then couldn't bring it to the floor.

[liveoaktx]

48. Yes... because they decided it was unconstitutional

[Sydnie]

54. I have been trying to search for that info for weeks but couldn't

remember which asshat had proposed it. Thanks so much for that info!

[rodeodance]

26. I think specter just squashed Hatchy boy. te he.

[rodeodance]

30. umm. now Hatch is saying the Courts will have to decide if Bush broke law.

[liveoaktx]

32. Dewine's amendment MUST BE STOPPED because it puts

Congress in the process BEFORE the courts. That's what Specter is pointing out when he talks about the separation of powers

[liveoaktx]

38. I actually appreciate that Specter is standing up for the Court process

Hatch trying to say that the President can just act and it may or may not be upheld by the courts. AS LONG AS ITS CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW>

Well, guess what, Hatch, Bush did NOT do everything to comply with the law. He VIOLATED the law.

[The Witch]

43. Specter has his moments.

And then he slithers in elsewhere. I've said it before, I'll say it again, there is Truth in Anagrams.
ARLEN SPECTER = CLEAR SERPENT.

[liveoaktx]

51. Specter saying again that this should be submitted to the court

"That's how we decide that we are a nation of laws. President does have ... vast authority but as you've all testified to, that's ultimately a judicial decision"

[WiseButAngrySara]

64. Oh how hysterical! Truth in anagrams...Clear Serpent slithering!

:rofl:


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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. Odd...CSPAN3 showing "Military Tribunals on Trial"

just tuned in...Hatch :puke:

[The Witch]

34. after this will be the Supreme Court oral arguments on Hamdan

I will be listening. VERY interested in that case.

[rodeodance]

33. wonder if Feingold is back (Hatch just said 'some people' very critical

of Bush) on this issue of going ahead with his new 'program"

[wtmusic]

35. "Trying to come up with a statute...the President will comply with"

(Hatch acknowledges the President broke the law) :rofl:

My, aren't the Emperor's clothes exquisite?

[The Witch]

37. ARGH! The Prez acting in an OMG Doomsday scenario is a RED HERRING!

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

[liveoaktx]

41. Yeah, put HATCH up as a witness and let's grill HIM about what

he's up to! heh. (Specter)

[wtmusic]

39. Hatch arguing that as long as the President "acts in the best interests"

he can do WTF he wants???

These idiots are amazing.

[liveoaktx]

44. He also added that as long as the president did everything to comply w/law

but he did NOT.

[rodeodance]

40. Hatch: I want my President to act if fells necessary (go ahead with spy)

[rodeodance]

42. Good for Specter--says Pres CAN act--72 hours to do it. well well, ol

specter comes round!

[rodeodance]

45. and Hatch says'this is differeent"--but will NOT explain himself!

[liveoaktx]

46. I think he has always believed this, it's the Dewine/Hatch contigent

that are trying to be unconstitutional.

[Norquist Nemesis]

47. "His President" is the key. If it were a Dem President

he'd be screaming like Holy Hell and calling for removal from office! :banghead: :grr:

[rodeodance]

55. IF--what a word!!!!

[Sydnie]

49. why are they debating this instead of asking what the judges think?

Bloviating is an art form with them!

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. Who's on the next panel? n/t

[The Witch]

56. Someone from CAFP and someone from time warner

Should be interesting.

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. ACLU, Ctr for American Progress too

Should be very interesting!

[The Witch]

53. Bathroom Break - Hatch n Specter to meet in men's room for oral sex

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[The Witch]

57. that was quick :P

[rodeodance]

59. geesh, that must have been a quicki they ARE BACK

[liveoaktx]

58. Going to start a new hearing thread-link in a moment

[liveoaktx]

62. >>>> THREAD NUMBER 4 UP NOW-LINK

Thread 4

[Sydnie]

63. OT note- Weinberger has died

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060328/ts_nm/weinberger_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Caspar Weinberger, U.S defense secretary under President Ronald Reagan, died on Tuesday at age 88, his family said.

Weinberger died about 5 a.m. in a hospital near his home in Mount Desert, Maine. He had recently been treated for pneumonia.

"He was just a worn-out guy," his son, Caspar Weinberger, Jr., told Reuters.

[maddezmom]

65. locking

thread 4 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x774060