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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:19 AM
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For Those Above Reproach, We Salute You
It is in the best interest of Democrats, the Democratic Party, the nation and DU for this board to be able to discuss gender issues that affect all of us. Particularly as the dominant Republican regime uses gender issues to divide and conquer. These issues all hinge on one single pivot: maintaining the status quo of male dominance in the home, in the bedroom, in education, in business, in medicine, in culture, in government, in the world.

The pendulum of social progress has swung so far, that many men do not realize how they have absorbed the dittohead demonization of “feminazis” that permeates the culture. On DU, the level of insecurity is so high that discussions of gender issues invariably get bogged down in petty slapfights and personal attacks. Some men in the Democratic party lack the information and vocabulary to discuss these issues without being overwhelmingly threatened on a very personal level.

SOME men get quite upset when women on DU discuss issues and refer to “men.” SOME men believe that this is a personal attack on all men and on them in particular. We really don’t have time for this.

One concession to this need that SOME men have is to make sure to type “SOME” before any mention of men. We really don’t have time for this.

One tries to imagine what it would feel like to be SOME of them. How to relate? What if we are white people, and we are in a discussion with black people discussing “whites” this and “whites” that........................ :think: ..............

We would probably accept that the discussion was about whites as a GROUP affecting the behavior of blacks as a GROUP. We would probably not attack the messenger while pretending to contest the message.

We would probably accept that the discussion was not ALL ABOUT US. We would probably not be personally insulted unless the relevant comment WAS about us.

So-- in the interest of fostering better communication on DU and amongst Democrats, on gender-related issues that are crucial to our politics and must be honestly discussed, here is a proposed alternative to putting “SOME” before every comment about men in general:

PROPOSAL:

When discussing gender issues on DU, “men” or “SOME men” may be replaced with "Those Above Reproach." This will show some respect for those who know that comments about male power/behavior in general have nothing to do with them, but they’re not sure we know that, so they have to fight, to make sure we know they aren’t part of that so-called patriarchal system no-way, no-how.

Those Above Reproach know who they are-- and they simply need to know that WE know who they are-- and know that we should never say anything about “men” that sounds like we mean them; they are Above Reproach.

Those Above Reproach-- or T.A.R. for short-- could refer to all those who benefit in some way-- by virtue of their gender-- in male-dominant society, who don’t feel responsible in any way for the existence of male-dominant society. It really ticks them off just to be reminded of it.

Those Above Reproach-- or T.A.R. for short-- will also remind SOME women not to tar SOME men all with the same “broad brush.” We have heard this repeated complaint and can avoid the pitfalls of SOME men not understanding that a generalization is not necessarily about them. Now we can acknowledge that they are Above Reproach.

(To our credit, we do not attack SOME men for use of the word “broad”).

When women discuss issues that affect us by virtue of our gender, we inadvertently touch a sensitive area in SOME men. Those Above Reproach are insecure about things that may upset the status quo-- a status quo they may not even think about. The proud pivot that the Republican machine hangs its divisive harness on is unquestioned, unchallenged, ubiquitous male dominance-- Above Reproach.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:24 AM
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1. omega -- you are a true DU goddess...
and you never cease to amaze me.

kudos, absolute kudos.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:27 AM
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2. :thumbsup:
:rofl: :grouphug: :patriot:
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:30 AM
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4. i am giving this a shameless kick, : - )
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:30 AM
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3. Those of us who are above reproach
thank you.

Oh wait...that sounded really arrogant.

But if I'm above reproach, can I be arrogant?

This is gonna take some time...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:34 AM
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6. LOL
You ARE a Teaser. :hi:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:36 AM
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9. I do my best
err worst.

I wish I knew what this argument had been about. Must've been a doozy.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:33 AM
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5. Gosh, that must have been SOME argument!
;)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:36 AM
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7. Yep
.... and it's always the SAME ONE!!!!!!!1 :freak:
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:36 AM
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8. So you just T.A.R.red a bunch of men, right.....
J/K. It was a joke, alright? :rofl:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:41 AM
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11. That's a broad statement
at least there's no FEATHERS. O8)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:36 AM
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10. Patronizing again?
;)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:06 AM
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12. "Patronize" "Patron" "Patriarchy" --- anybody gotta dic
-tionary? B-)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:10 AM
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13. Matronize?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:26 AM
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14. .....in religion!
"Particularly as the dominant Republican regime uses gender issues to divide and conquer. These issues all hinge on one single pivot: maintaining the status quo of male dominance in the home, in the bedroom, in education, in business, in medicine, in culture, in government, in the world."

:d'oh!:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:31 AM
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15. We Must Be Careful Not To Anger Them!
Goodness knows they have it hard enough already.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:06 AM
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17. Hard enough?
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 02:25 AM by omega minimo
That's why I tried to imagine what it's like for TAR and why TAR are so damn tetchy about it.


:bounce: :bounce:

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:47 AM
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16. Thank you. Well said
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:07 AM
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18. But.....but.....you forgot
SOME men. The "Guys Rejecting Objectification, Patriarchal Excess, Rape and Sexism" are going to feel left out.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:34 AM
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23. T.A.R. know who they are
:rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:21 AM
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19. kick and recommended... now you have 5!
GREAT post and check your PM!

:kick:



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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:29 AM
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21. SWAMPY!
:yourock:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:28 AM
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20. "The proud pivot that the Republican machine hangs its divisive harness...
Poetry.

If it's Republican, these days, it is almost unquestionably a bad idea.

Something for ya:

...and generally my generation
wouldn't be caught dead working for the man
and generally I agree with them
trouble is you gotta have youself an alternate plan
and I have earned my disillusionment
I have been working all of my life
and I am a patriot
I have been fighting the good fight
and what if there are no damsels in distress
what if I knew that and I called your bluff?
don't you think every kitten figures out how to get down
whether or not you ever show up...

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:32 AM
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22. I had to rub it in, din't I
:evilgrin:

Thank you, Will. Who wrote that, it that you? There's a melody there, though....?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:51 AM
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26. That's Ani DiFranco, the song is "Not a Pretty Girl"
If you don't know Ani, you should.

"Not A Pretty Girl"

I am not a pretty girl
that is not what I do
I ain't no damsel in distess
and I don't need to be rescued
so put me down punk
maybe you'd prefer a maiden fair
isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere

I am not an angry girl
but it seems like I've got everyone fooled
every time I say something they find hard to hear
they chalk it up to my anger
and never to their own fear
<-------(kinda what you were talking about in the OP)
and imagine you're a girl
just trying to finally come clean
knowing full well they'd prefer you
were dirty and smiling

and I am sorry
I am not a maiden fair
and I am not a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere

and generally my generation
wouldn't be caught dead working for the man
and generally I agree with them
trouble is you gotta have youself an alternate plan
and I have earned my disillusionment
I have been working all of my life
and I am a patriot
I have been fighting the good fight
and what if there are no damsels in distress
what if I knew that and I called your bluff?
don't you think every kitten figures out how to get down
whether or not you ever show up

I am not a pretty girl
I don't want to be a pretty girl
no I want to be more than a pretty girl
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:01 AM
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27. Heard some heavy rappin Ani tonight on AAR
Live, sounded recent cuz of the lines in the rap-- she's gotten GOOD.

"every time I say something they find hard to hear
they chalk it up to my anger
and never to their own fear <-------(kinda what you were talking about in the OP)"

Sums it up. We've long figgered that out at DU and get so tired of having the same Groundhog Day threads disintegrate-- nothing ever HAPPENS.

The OP came out of trying to imagine what that fear is like from the inside. Of someone with that proud pivot. :evilgrin:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:35 AM
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24. I tune out anyone who uses "men" the way the KKK uses ...
well, you know

Same for anyone who generalizes "women," too.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:42 AM
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25. Ah Hell! I coulda jest called it "The M-Word"
:evilfrown:
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:29 AM
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28. Wonderful post. n/t
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:35 AM
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29. locking
flamebait
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