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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:17 PM
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The President is engaging in Pre-1776 thinking.
So many Republicans and Democrats who have shown any opposition to the President have been accused of Pre-9/11 thinking. I charge the President with Pre-1776 thinking.

It is a sad day in America when the President and the king of England in 1776 have more in common than the President and his father. I thought we might look over the Declaration of Independence for some inspiration:

"IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:21 PM
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1. Feingold said this back in Feb
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 09:21 PM by pstans
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/2/10581/84829

"The President's pre-1776 mentality is hurting America and fracturing the foundation on which our country has stood for 230 years. The President can't just bypass two branches of government, and obey only those laws he wants to obey."

Bu$h's pre-1776 mentality should be mentioned over and over again.

www.russforpresident.com
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carboncat Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:59 PM
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10. Careful, on that one LOL!
Pre 1776 thinking obviously LED to 1776, so hey, if he's doing THAT, we're in a good place!:D
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:21 PM
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2. Dang! You made me spit beer on my monitor!
Good post.

And welcome to DU, by the way.

:dem:
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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:22 PM
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3. Isn't it interesting...
that the list of grievances the Founding Fathers wrote down was against King George?

History tends to repeat itself...
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:22 PM
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4. Just the subject line is great!
How sad for the Nation that we have been hijacked by profiteering corporations.

How sad that so many Americans apparently are loyal to their party than to their Nation.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:23 PM
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5. If you've seen one king George you've seen them all!
A King with a Jester's brain = the Oaf in Chief!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:29 PM
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6. Wow. Breathtaking.....
:patriot:
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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:31 PM
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7. Totally fallacious argument...
The drooling corporate retarded puppet in office can't even think. He probably has corporate executives wipe his ass because he doesn't have the opposable thumbs required to pluck the dingleberries off himself.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:38 PM
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8. So is he really King George then?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:53 PM
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9. Pre 1215 thinking
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:05 PM
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14. Magna Carta n/t
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:00 PM
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11. Neocons Don't Believe in Things...
...like the Declaration of Independence. It's just a piece of paper to them, like the Constitution. So who are the *real* anti-Americans? Not the people on our side!

Tammy
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:14 PM
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20. They don't believe in quaint documents and their favorite philosopher
wasn't Jesus but Machiavelli, philosopher to tyrants and princes, not presidents. The Unitary Executive doesn't believe in democracy.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:03 PM
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12. Pre-Galileo mentality
These people think America is the center of the universe.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:50 PM
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15. There is a raging epidemic of narcissism going on. Bush
and his people each feel that they personally are the center of the universe, ego centric.
That trait distinguished the underlying reason for the awful political malady that is inflicting this country.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:40 AM
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17. Arises out of insecurity, ignorance, and just pure despising the non-rich.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:45 PM
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13. It is kinda funny...
If you look at this, there is only a single article on this page which doesn't sound like it came out of the mouth of a Democrat, and the Hillary article is one a very anti-war person might publish:

http://www.amconmag.com/

I have come to a conclusion which many have already: George W. Bush is an interloper. Liberalism and Conservatism are American political ideologies, the President is quite like a communist. He is the Neville Chamberlain of principles. He compromises for the illusion of security. And that is a mild interpretation of events, a somewhat different one is that he wants power, and a dramatic one is that he intends to take over America.

In 1954 McCarthy was considered over the top when he said people were following a communist party line. Take a look at him attack Murrow, and listen to the accusations he makes against the communists in this video:

http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/vplayer2/play.pl?type=rm&prod=popup&arena=video&feat=vplayer&adtype=pre&id=1065699n&ord=76928.57343475075

Replace communist with neo-con Republican and I think some of the very same charges McCarthy leveled are applicable. The President is no better than a leader of the USSR. His little politburo director Rove puts out the party line and his little minions follow it to the tee. The President, just as McCarthy accused the Communists, wants to alter the US form of government in an unconstitutional way. What was once absurd and over the top is now true. How strange?

Remember McCarthy was a nut-case, and he was outrageous (as the video shows), but if you alter that nutcases words just a little you have Rove and Bush.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:30 AM
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16. We Do Not Consent
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:45 AM
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18. "A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may
define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."


Amen and amen.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:58 AM
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19. Gives me chills every time
I read that. Every member of BushCo. should be forced to sit down and read that document.

Our Founding Fathers are surely spinning in their graves over this administration's incompetance and betrayal of the American people.
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