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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:02 PM
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bush is punking you on immigration reform. He has NO intention of putting
any changes through at all.

You see, his pals, the giant corps, rely on cheap labor economics. Come on, do you think bush will harm his base? Do you think bush would undermine massive corporate profiteering?

Do you?

Of course not.

But you see, YOU are getting ALL WOUND UP. YOU will prevent bush from making ANY changes to immigration policies.

And then, nothing will change.

But it will be all your fault... and bush's pals win.

It's rather brilliant.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:04 PM
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1. It may end up being Clinton's fault! n/t
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:08 PM
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7. well what isn't the Clenis's fault. nt
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:05 PM
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2. And taxpayers will spend trillions on a bogus war on illegal migrants
Just like the bogus war on terror.

But at least Bush's cronies will get rich off the taxpayers' tit.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:05 PM
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3. So, since we're stupid, please enlighten us on what we should
be doing instead.

Redstone
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:07 PM
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6. Creating a north american union, like europe did with their EU of course.
Create a comprehensive living, working and traveling policy between Canada, the US and Mexico.

Not that anyone will.

But it's what should be done.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:12 PM
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9. OK, I like that. Open borders seem to have worked out real well
in Europe...I've not heard anything negative about it. And in Europe, they were having a war with each other 61 years ago. If they can put that stuff aside and open the borders, we ought to be able to do that with Canada and Mexico.

Yes, you have a good idea. Though I'd like to see Mexico update its environmental-protection laws first.

Redstone
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:43 PM
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14. Eh it's too idealistic and realistic. It doesn't factor in greed,
corruption and criminal, exploitive cheap labor republican criminals who would sell their mother to make a profit. After all, in the USA, "we the people" just means "we need to make more money off these suckers, if you're a republican politician.

And it is republicans who are in control, and who will be for a long, long time.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:45 PM
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16. And if it's not Republicans, it'll be rich Democrats. Money talks, yes?
But I do like your North American Open Borders idea. I like it a lot.

Redstone
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:51 PM
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19. It's not open borders. It's a union of the states with comprehensive
cooperative social, economic and geo-political alliances and accords.

Open borders implies a lack of rules and regulations. Rules and regulations are needed, but can be designed on the EU plan.

But don't get your hopes up. No one on the planet has come up with such a concept other than myself.

And no one will, for at least another 25 years.

But at least you can say you heard it from me first.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:56 PM
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21. I'll remember that when someone writes about you being the
groundbreaking visionary who thought of what should have been obvious to the rest of us all along, twenty years from now.

(No sarcasm whatsoever in the above.)

Redstone
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:05 PM
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24. lunacy punctuated by occasional outbursts of brilliance....
Such as it is.

*CHEESE*
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:11 PM
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27. Damn, you stole my description of how I work!
Cheers.

Redstone
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:01 PM
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22. Yep, and I really don't think Canada or Mexico are going to open
up their borders and let us roam freely - they don't now, and really I can't blame them. Under this adminstration we have become "undesirable". This is the same kind of "can of worms" that Bush opened up in the Middle East and it won't end any better either.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:06 PM
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4. the protests over the weekend must have had him wetting his pants.
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 09:13 PM by rocknation
Now he can say, "The people spoke, and this time I listened! No criminalizing illegals--I'll make them exploitable guest workers instead, which will make my corporate contributors happy, which is what I wanted all along!" You betcha that this whole thing has been a setup!

If Bush were genuinely serious about immigration reform, he'd be offering up laws that did a better job of keeping illegal immgrants out of America, and of punishing people who hire them.

:headbang:
rocknation
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:08 PM
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8. Exactly...
It's so frustrating.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:06 PM
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5. 500,000 immigration protestors, lots of media coverage
Hundreds of thousands protest his war games, nada. No media coverage.

This is a fucking sham. I wouldn't be surprised if these "marches" were organized, at least in part, by some faction of BushCo. When he "gives in" to them, he expect they'll annoint him the Patron Saint of Guest Workers.

Like everything else this man is involved with, this is all just a sham designed to score political points.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:13 PM
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10. I'm not wound up. And I'm doing jack shit about it.
:D This just isn't an issue I feel much passion about. :boring:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:16 PM
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12. It's a red herring, anyway, to keep all the really bad shit off the
front page of the public interest.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:21 PM
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13. Rovian diversionary tactic, complete with compliant masses
waving Mexican flags instead of torches and pitchforks. Personally, I doubt the Pukes will get any mileage out of this.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:44 PM
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15. Rove is the most brilliant fucker on the planet. I wish he would have a
stroke.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:15 PM
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11. Your post is the most BRILLIANT post
so far. This is exactly what that piece of shit is doing.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:49 PM
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17. Agreed. K/R
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:17 PM
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28. The other side of the coin is blaming the victims for their plight.
The majority of the undocumented are exploited and cannot say a word about anything because of their status. They taught to cower at authority and to take and accept whatever scraps that are thrown their way.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:49 PM
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18. Keep the immigrants to do the below minimum wage jobs, never
raise minimum wage, send the decent jobs overseas, extend tax cuts to the corps. Just wnet to a book club tonight where the ex-president of the University of Louisville, a former history professor gave us a book review of Theodore Rex (biography of Theodore Roosevelt.) Roosevelt took on the banks and the powerful railroads immediately after being elevated to the presidency when McKinley was assassinated. We need another brave and rugged individual as soon as possible.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:53 PM
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20. Yes, the hallmarks of Cheap Labor Economics....
exactly.

Your brave and rugged individuals have all been politically assassinated.

You're gonna need a revolution.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:04 PM
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23. yeah, I don't like george bush
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:06 PM
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25. Ashton Kutcher is way cuter, you have to admit.
Although I give the marriage another year at best.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:10 PM
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26. Naw, he'll pass something that has welfare for big farms
to pay increased wages, only to illigals....
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:18 PM
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29. His guest worker program brings in MORE workers
Yes he wants to change immigration, he wants to open the doors to the lowest wage worker possible and after they've used up, send them back home. It's a cheap labor gift and since he didn't give corporate America ss, he's going to work damned hard to deliver this.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:20 PM
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30. "Jobs Americans won't do"
Complete bullshit, he's lying again!

How in the Hell would he know what work Americans will do for a fair wage, anyway?:shrug:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:10 PM
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32. Lots of illegals work in construction. Since when won't Americans
work in construction? :shrug:
You're right. "Complete bullshit, he's lying again!"
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:27 AM
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35. Republican Senators were saying yesterday
That illegals were needed for construction jobs, just like agriculture jobs. Why? So republican donating developers and builders can get by with paying $5 / hour payrolls, and rake money in on both ends of their business.

No American citizen, who works as a construction worker, can survive on $5 / hour. Most of the building that is going on, is being done by a massive amount of illegal workers, and they have undercut construction wages to the point that John Q. Citizen cannot afford to work in construction anymore.

Democrats who do advocate for illegal immigration and unlimited immigration had better wake the hell up, because American workers are paying attention to who supports the undercutting of their wages and replacing them with illegal workers. Give up your livelihood and economic security first, then you will actually have some credibility for supporting unlimited and illegal immigration. Until then, keep wondering why working people keep voting for republicans, when they see Democrats placing illegals ahead of them.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:05 PM
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31. Agree with you 100%.
Nothing will change and workers will continue to be exploited while Bush & Co laugh all the way to the bank. :puke:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:52 PM
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33. You are correct
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:19 AM
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34. *whacked* one more time...
for the after dinner crowd.
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