Why do you suppose Mary Winkler killed her husband

[CatWoman]

Larry King doing segment on her now.

She is the preacher's wife who killed him and fled to Alabama with her three children.

[Deja Q]

1. Because one of them is more insane than the other.

[babylonsister]

2. He probably either abused her or their kids.

:shrug:

[madeline_con]

3. What HypnoToad said. eom

[Staph]

4. If I had to guess . . .

And this is purely a guess, I would guess that her husband was an abuser. Physical, mental. He pushed her to the edge, and as a good preacher's wife, there was no one she could talk to.

But it's just a guess.

[CatWoman]

5. I tend to agree with you

[paul_fromatlanta]

11. Yep, he had threatened to shoot his neighbors dog.

[AllieB]

12. That's a pretty good indication of a crazy person

anyone that would hurt an animal usually has no problem hurting a human.

[Maru Kitteh]

52. He was also an "avid" hunter. Doesn't really mix with "preacher"

Just a quiet morning, slaughtering the meekest of God's creation?

I suspect abuse. Mental, sexual and physical.

[Feron]

71. Maybe...

She was just plain nuts.

Or maybe one spouse was cheating and that was the motivation.

Who knows?!

But, I don't see how hunting has anything to do with abuse or with this case.:shrug: It is possible to be both a kind person and a hunter even if you disagree with it.

[paul_fromatlanta]

74. The police said it was not infidelity.

[paul_fromatlanta]

73. Depends on the culture... in the rural South where hunting is normal

Its much more likely that preachers will have grown up hunting.

[Ladyhawk]

78. LOL...I know a fundy preacher who killed a mountain lion illegally

and let it rot under the tree he shot it from. Fundy preachers and hunting go together like rama-lama-lama-ka-dingety-ding-dee-dong. I know two fundy preachers and both of them are poachers.

[mmonk]

6. That is what the police

and crime scene investigators and such are for. One can speculate but time will most likely reveal what transpired.

[CatWoman]

15. cue Leslie Gore

*it's my party and I'll speculate if I want to*

[mmonk]

17. I order you to stop.

;)

[CatWoman]

21. ROFL!!

:D

[movonne]

28. I thought the police said they knew the reasons but would not

divulge the information..and I wonder why..

[Beaverhausen]

7. All the talk shows will discuss it for months until we find out the truth

I just can't wait! :eyes:

[mmonk]

14. Got that right.

The sad thing is this scenario plays out quite a bit across America. It will be analyzed and speculated on for a long time because it's dirty laundry which can be used for ratings while very little will be dwelt on concerning the administration or the war in the same time slots.

[supernova]

8. Abuse is the most likely cause

She seems sane amd responsible for her actions in wanting to turn herself in.

I guess we will know more in the coming months. I just find it terribly sad.

[mondo joe]

57. As long as we're blaming thhe victim, what di you think she did to make

him abuse her?


:eyes:

[supernova]

80. How did you get that

out of what I wrote? :eyes: indeed.

I did no such thing as blame her. I'm saying maybe he was abusive and she'd finally had enough. It wouldn't be the first time.

[KyndCulture]

9. I'd venture to guess he beat the shit outta her on a regular basis

and she finally snapped.

[CatWoman]

10. she appeared to be in a trance when they arrested her

[KyndCulture]

13. probably PTSD...

[harpo]

16. I'd say that Cheney told me to do it or he would have Frist kill my kat

;)

[Catherine Vincent]

18. Whatever the reason, it was to protect the kids.

:shrug:

[CatWoman]

22. You think he was abusing the children?

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I don't know.

Maybe in her mind, he was.

[movonne]

33. I do, I think that would be a reason to go over the edge..

[mmonk]

24. Could be

Sometimes, some clergy take the corporal punishment crap a little too seriously like some sort of twisted cause.

[Left Below]

19. he voted for the little monkey named George W.

Bush?

[alphafemale]

20. Didn't she shoot him in the back?

That's going to make a self defense plea rather difficult I'd imagine.

Not that abuse wasn't an issue, but it makes it harder to plead self defense.

[CatWoman]

23. they are trying to go for an "accidental shooting" angle

her attorney just said.

[QC]

25. Until we know something about the case, it's irresponsible and

just plain tacky to sit around and trash a man who had his brains blown out. Not that that will stop anyone, of course.

[CatWoman]

30. Gee -- I guess I'll delete this thread now

NOT!!

[QC]

40. I would never try to deprive you of your Nancy Grace moment,

so please don't delete the thread on my account.

[CatWoman]

41. thanks.

mighty sportin' of ya!!

[QC]

Well, I try. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Beats me. I suppose that's why there are jurys.

[CatWoman]

35. WOW

Another unsolicited asshole comment.

I'm nosey, and not ashamed to admit it.

There is something intriguing and mysterious about this case.

Don't like the conversation? Buh bye!!

[sendero]

27. Whatever it is..

... the pOlice are uncharacteristically quiet. Must be something embarrasing to WASPy America, because usually they'd be yakking their jaws loose.

[H2O Man]

29. We should be careful

not to engage in blaming the victim. Thus, while it is possible that he had "done something," people should not project their own demons here. On on of the cable networks, the first two calls included a person who said she could tell by a photo of the girls that they were being sexually abused; her history of abuse gave her this "insight." The second person said she was married to a minister in the past, and he was a batterer; thus, she concluded the dead man was, too. These examples illustrate how pathetic such projecting often is.

Her attorney noted that there was evidence she may have suffered from serious depression. Her youngest child is indeed only about a year, and this may be a factor. More, he said there was evidence that she had not slept well in some time. These two things were mentioned by her attorney as possibly playing a role in the tragic events.

All we know for sure is that she admits to shooting him, that he's dead and she's in jail, and that three itty-bitty children have had their world devastated. Hopefully we can all agree that violence harms the fabric of our culture, and avoid silly, damaging arguments that divide people into violent/non-violent groups based on sex.

[timber84]

34. Amen

also she is not guilty of anything util a jury of her peers says so

[mmonk]

38. True

but who cares what I think? Time and an investigation may tell all.

[CatWoman]

39. She seems haunted to me, like Andrea Yates

curiosity did, by the way, kill the cat, Oh voice of rationality and wisdom.

:D

[H2O Man]

46. In general terms,

there are two types of people one encounters when dealing with those who have killed other human beings: the first are indeed haunted by it; the second are not.

One of the things that might be of interest to those watching the case unfold is this woman's level of functioning. It can be defined in psychiatric terms as Axis 1 through 5: these include major mental illnesses; personality disorders; physical injuries,disease, or disability; how well a person is doing today on a scale of 1 to 100; and how well they have done, at best, in the past year.

She reportedly was functioning at a higher level that Andrea Yates. But, again, this case may very well hold many surprises.

[The Straight Story]

51. The victim was a white male, but they cannot be victims since they are in

power, hence there was no victim. Case closed. Man life is simple! :)

ok, Ok, just poking some fun at some previous threads...

[Dogmudgeon]

31. I'm waiting for the investigation

Most of us around here think that preachers are evil. For all we know now, the actual event may come from way out in left field.

--p!

[Warpy]

36. Nobody looks her best in a mug shot

but hers are incredibly "flat," with no emotion showing in her face or eyes.
No fear, no sadness, no worry, no defiance, no nothing.

My bet's on psychotic depression.

[maveric]

37. A former neighbor of mine was a Lutheran Pastor. Treated his wife...

like a slave. He was big on telling his flock about "the place" of the woman in a christian family. They had us over for dinner one night, our kids played together, and Icouldnt believe how he was throwing his weight around.
One day she just up and left. Got her own place and a job, which she wasnt allowed to have in the past. She divorced him and is a very happy Lady now.
Opression causes revolt.

[Dinger]

42. One Of Two Things (Or Both):

He beat her or he abused the children (emotionally, sexually, physically).
I'll go with both choices.

[Dem Agog]

43. I know I couldn't live with a Christian preacher

Just my two cents but if I had to wake up next to a Christian preacher every day -- one of us would have to go!

[okieinpain]

44. rkelly, preacher coming out the closet

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. Because She's A Selfish Murderer?

:shrug:

I mean, that's generally why. Maybe an unhappy marriage and divorce is frowned upon and murder was the only way out blah blah blah. I dunno, we'll find out why soon enough I'm sure.

[CatWoman]

48. how could she be a murder?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. On Edit: Duh Me. Sorry, Typo. Murderer Obviously.

But you still knew what I meant :)

[kestrel91316]

61. (I think the word you are searching for might be "murderER")

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

63. LMFAO!!!!!!!!! WHAT A FUCKING TOOL I AM!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Seriously, how the hell did that one get by me. DUH OMC!!!

[kestrel91316]

65. Yeah, and you did it TWICE (snicker, snicker)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. Hehehe. I Wouldn't Have Called Myself A Tool For Only Once, But For Twice,

absolutely :)

[QC]

55. Sorry, but women just don't murder people.

That's because they're sugar and spice and everything nice, while men are snips and snails and puppydog tails. So he must have made her do it.

[Katherine Brengle]

58. I'm with you -- I hate this "women have good reasons" crap --

As I said in another thread about this, I hate that we assume that women have good reasons to murder and we assume that men do not.

Most murderers are just murderers.

If there is more to the story, it will come out eventually, but I'm not holding my breath or making any assumptions.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Amazingly Well Said Katherine.

Thing that confuses me is that they give no hint of a motive yet, but there have been several comments that it was premeditated. Something's just really weird with this whole thing, but I'm sure we'll know the details soon enough.

[Katherine Brengle]

72. Thanks -- it always works this way when the perpetrator is a woman.

The speculation is completely predictable--it happens every time.

When a man is the suspect, we decide innocence or guilt, but we rarely define motivation without any information.

With women, we automatically assume abuse. It may be the case, but I have no idea since that information has not been passed along yet...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. It Said Premeditated Which Is Why I'm Not Leaning That Way.

But I do understand why many default to that theory, but I'm not sure it applies at nearly the rate it used to. Years and years ago the majority of husband killings were in some large form related to physical or mental abuse and the spouse simply defended herself in what she thought was the only way left. But though that is often still the case, we are seeing more and more women kill for the same selfish reasons that men do. That's why it isn't applicable anymore to err on the side of slandering the victimized by calling them abusers, merely for the sake that the accused is a woman.

[f-bush]

47. Because like most fundies...

he was probably an abusing, controlling, hypocritical bastard and she finally figured that she put up with enough of his bullshit!

[The Straight Story]

49. She was abusing him and he threatened to leave

Who knows...

[Rosemary2205]

53. Is there any chance

he was terminal and she euthanized him as a favor to Karl Rove to get the last vestage of media heat off Bush?

:tinfoilhat:

[LisaL]

54. She is a lunatic and was told by God, or Satan, or a spider,

or an alien that he had to die.

[CatWoman]

56. oops

posted in wrong thread :blush:

[durrrty libby]

59. I think it was on Dan Abrahms(not sure)

a person interviewed, alluded to "the couple was involved in something dangerous.”

I don’t have a clue what that means, but it was weird.

[Yoda Yada]

76. I heard that, too.

It sounded strange to me also....to mention he was murdered because of something DANGEROUS that involved "the couple."

I think I heard it somewhere on MSNBC. I don't listen to Dan Abrams, so maybe it was mentioned earlier, and then repeated on his show. It does seem like they are dealing with a different "type" of murder, just by the way they are framing it.

[caligirl]

60. He kept saying Jesus, Jesus, Jesus in bed.

[ecstatic]

62. When women kill...

Most people will assume that there was some sort of abuse going on, because women don't usually kill, except in self defense. That's just the way it is.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Maybe he was abusive.

He could have abused her or the children. My guess is he abused the kids.....a mother's rage? We'll all know soon enough, I suppose.

[shugah]

68. i 'magine he needed killin'

oops! that bit of texas still slips out at times! :blush: ;-)

i really don't know enough about the case to really speculate - just got the bare bones of the story from KO this eve. but, it will be most interesting to hear what her story is.

[YouthInAsia]

70. LMFAO!

[YouthInAsia]

69. He was probably some religious loon.

[Punkingal]

75. I suspect abuse....

I grew up going to The Church of Christ, which is the church he was a minister of. (Which is also the same church Kenneth Starr is a member of.) Interestingly, that is also the church Rusty and Andrea Yates went to. I ran for my life years ago, because they are very rigid and controlling. They are as equally opposed to divorce as the Catholic Church, women are not allowed to be ministers or have any positions of authority, (at least they didn't used to be) and they love to tell you all the reasons you are going to Hell, if you are not an absolutely PERFECT little drone.

I suspect abuse also, but not necessarily just physical. How sad it is, if that is what it was, that she felt her only way out was to kill. Another thing about this church, they tend to have the ministers on a pedestal...they are usually considered above reproach, and I heard her attorney say she fled because she didn't think anyone would believe her about what happened.

[ausus]

77. He left the toilet seat up one time too many.