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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:16 PM
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What are the chances of humans being smuggled in through those ports?
There is an element of corruption in almost every corner where we bother to look. There have been Wall Street scandals, plagiarism scandals, lobbyist scandals. If you look, you will find it. So, if 95% of the cargo coming into this country goes uninspected, why shouldn't we assume that something is being smuggled aboard?

I've already asked this question on DU and the overwhelming opinion was that it was drugs that were being smuggled in, and that's probably accurate. But what is the possibility that people are being smuggled in as well? Are those crates locked up solid from the point of embarkation? Or can they be opened in transit to allow someone to hide in them at the point of debarkation?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:21 PM
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1. Anything can be smuggled in. Don't even need to put the people in
the crates. Give them a room on the ship and let them off when customs leaves.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:23 PM
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2. Do you think these ports are the untold story in human smuggling?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:07 AM
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5. Absolutely--see the cites I posted below n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:23 PM
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3. I seem to recall hearing numerous stories about Chinese folks....
.... arriving in those crates in substantial numbers, dead, and rotting....

Pretty damn disgusting - gives you an idea of what they were running from, if they figured they'd rather take their chances in the crates...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:06 AM
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4. It happens ALL THE TIME
This incident was a 'beaut':
The fear that terrorists could exploit the container transport system was confirmed barely a month after the Al Qaeda attacks of September 11, 2001. In October 2001, authorities in the southern Italian port of Gioia Tauro, a leading cargo trans-shipment hub for the Mediterranean, discovered an unusually well equipped and neatly dressed stowaway locked inside a shipping container. The container was furnished with a bed, water, supplies for a long journey and a bucket for a toilet. Italian police said Mr. Farid, the 43-year-old stowaway, was born in Egypt but carried a Canadian passport. Farid was smartly dressed, clean-shaven and rested as he emerged with two mobile phones, a satellite phone, a laptop computer, several cameras, batteries and, ominously, airport security passes and an airline mechanic's certificates valid for four major American airports. That container fitted out as a makeshift home had been loaded in Port Said, Egypt.
http://kingston.usembassy.gov/062904.html

Last year, they nabbed 29 guys in LA:

The Chinese nationals, all men, were initially spotted by private port security personnel wandering in a cargo area near berth 214 at around 11:00 p.m. Sunday. The port police contacted the Department of Homeland Security and representatives from the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) responded.

When federal officers arrived at the scene, they discovered several of the men had sustained minor injuries when they attempted to scale fencing surrounding the cargo area. Four of the migrants were treated at local hospitals and returned to federal custody. Three remain hospitalized today, including one man who suffered a broken ankle.

This morning, CBP officers are processing and interviewing the aliens. So far, investigators have determined the migrants were smuggled into the United States inside two 40-foot long shipping containers on board the NYK Artemis, a Panamanian-registered vessel that arrived here April 2. Authorities say the ship, whose last port of call was Hong Kong, embarked for Los Angeles March 22. Prior to that, the ship also took on cargo in the Chinese cities of Xiamen and Shekou.

The circumstances of this latest incident are similar to those of past human smuggling scenarios. Officers at the scene say the stench coming from the containers was overwhelming. Inside, agents found piles of discarded food packages, blankets, and containers overflowing with human waste. In addition to food and water, the containers were outfitted with car batteries to power small portable fans.
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/chincontainer040405.htm

The money is there to be made--people still are willing to pay fortunes:

Western immigration officials estimate that Chinese stowaways often pay up to $70,000 each for such journeys. Experts say human smuggling grosses $10 billion a year for the international crime gangs who sneak people into affluent countries -- countries like Britain, Germany, and the United States, where illegal immigration is on the rise. In 1993, one ship dumped 240 illegal refugees from Fujian Province at the foot of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, then sailed back into international waters. A few months later, a freighter, the "Golden Venture," ran aground near New York City. The almost 300 Chinese stowaways on board had spent 114 days at sea. Too often, the stowaways risk life and limb to make their dangerous journeys. In January, 15 Chinese men emerged from a metal cargo container after the Cape May freighter docked in Seattle. Three more were found dead inside. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/jan-june00/human_cargo_6-20.html




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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 08:19 AM
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10. If people have $70,000 to pay to be smuggled into a country,
then they aren't leaving for deplorable economic reasons in their own country. I'm just wondering if all this outsourcing is really going to make a dent on immigration - legal or illegal. If outsourcing really worked, then it might be worth the trouble. But if it doesn't, we get saddled with two problems. Not only do we have to pay taxes to take care of illegal immigrants, but we also don't have enough money to save up for a catastrophic event in our own personal lives. Especially now that the word is that the government isn't here to take care of us.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:19 PM
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16. Its my understanding they dont pay the money up front
just a fraction of it, with the rest owed to the smugglers at incredibly high interest rates.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:17 PM
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17. Indentured Servitude, forever and ever, Amen! n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:09 AM
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6. Well, if you watched "The Wire" on HBO, when they were
doing stories about the longshoreman's union in Baltimore, there was an episode of a container containing Russian prostitutes that arrived dead from suffocation. So sure I guess it's possible.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:15 AM
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8. That was one of the saddest episodes
I love that show! Do you know when the new season starts?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:20 AM
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9. I don't think they announced the new season yet.
I thought it was sad when the chess playing, book reading gang banger got killed in prison. He seemed to have the potential to redeem himself and his life was cut short before them. I forgot the character's name.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:54 AM
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14. Oh - Dee?
Was that his name? The drug dealer's nephew? Yes, I liked him.

My favorite season has been #2, with the ports story. I have thought of that so many times since this ports deal has been in the news.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:14 AM
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7. Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers enter the US that way?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 08:21 AM
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11. I don't know. It sure didn't seem like any of our usual safeguards
worked with them.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:49 AM
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12. I seem to have heard they all entered by air with valid passports
and valid visas. However, since 8-9 of them are still alive and we really don't know who really did the flying, seems there's really not much real information.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:19 PM
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18. Most came in on student visas, to El Crappo Airline School or whatnot
You pay your tuition up front, and you get your paperwork in a nanosecond.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:53 AM
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13. It is only a matter of time!! nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:55 AM
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15. And in the era of the Bush crime family...people being smuggled OUT
Better watch what you say.:scared:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:19 PM
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19. Not smuggled, they call it "rendition"--sounds so much sweeter
when ya phrase it like that!
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