Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Last company fined for hiring illegal immigrants?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:07 PM
Original message
Last company fined for hiring illegal immigrants?
Edited on Sun Mar-26-06 06:11 PM by harpo
Anyone?...I would like some data regarding this type of "enforcement" of the existing laws.

Seems to me that if we nip the hiring in the bud then people won't come here for jobs. Does this logic make any sense?

Thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. There was a big fuss about the security company that was responsible
for Washington Naitonal Airport before 9-11 having lots of illegals on their payrole. Not sure if they were ever fined or not. But the story came out after 9-11 and I think after it was decided that the FAA would take over the airport screening jobs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well it sure as hell ain't the meat or poultry business
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. Walmart, last year. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. was that the 11 million? Didn't they end up coming out ahead on that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
5. Personally, I'd rather crack down on
the *companies* hiring illegals because they can pay them poorly. I think that would be more productive than a large wall between the US and Mexico.

Does anyone agree or disagree?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. They don't just pay the illegals poorly, they avoid payroll taxes
and workers comp payments. They can ignore safety laws (and avoid the costs of obeying them) and they can exploit the fact that illegals can't defend themselves against all sorts of abuses.

Throw the greedy creeps in jail. Give a some help to the illegals they exploit. Put pressure on the pols who allow rich employers to get away with all the shit going on.

Bust the (mostly white) fat cats doing the hiring, profiting, exploiting!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. we are on the same page...really large fines would end that crap
it would not make it profitable to do so and they would quit...or find another way to do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
8. Yes. That Is Why I Support A Well Regulated Guest Worker Program
over border interdiction.

It appears to me that (uncontrolled) immigrant labor fills a void that it perpetuates, low wages that make the jobs undesirable due to an oversupply of labor, the classic supply/demand relationship. All the current immigration policy of this country does is create a black market for labor, exploiting those who are here illegally, and driving down the wages and working conditions so for legal residents and immigrants the job is a step backward.

I feel that a well-regulated Guest Worker program will deal with illegal immigration by addressing demand (the employer). It would hopefully stop the exploitation of immigrants and end the flooding of the labor market due to uncontrolled immigration.

Just like the ‘war on drugs’, illegal immigration cannot be reduced by simply militarizing the border and locking up people. On the other hand, we have to do something to protect the ‘victims’ of this policy, the working people of this country who are citizens or here legally.

The key points of the program would be as follows:

- Hiring of guest workers by businesses would be coordinated through workforce development (unemployment) offices. These offices would maintain a set of procedures/surveys to verify a shortage of labor in a classification before guest workers could be hired.

- A wage rates system would have to be maintained to prevent low wages from being used as way to create a labor shortage.

- All labor laws, including minimum wage rates and social security payments, would be enforced for guest workers. After participation in the program over time, the guest worker would be eligible for a retirement SS annuity based on what they paid in.

- Severe penalties for those employers violating the above provisions.

- A worker certification system, also administered by workforce development, to take the burden of verifying an employees legal status off of the employer. If an employer takes the step to verify the employees status though this system, they will be held harmless in the event the employee is found to not have legal standing.

Some thoughts on immigration policy from John Sayles which sums up my feelings on this issue.

John Sayles
From:A People's Democratic Platform

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040802&s=forum

The Democratic platform should call for an end to the hypocrisy of our immigration policy. Our current policy, an enormously expensive cat-and-mouse game, most notably on our southern border, calls on the INS to enforce immigration laws that are openly expected to be ignored by countless US industries and private employers. Some sort of regulated guest-worker program is needed.

Once it is in place, if immigrants continue to enter the country illegally and can't find work, word will filter back and the numbers will decrease dramatically. While in our country, however, those guest workers need to be protected from exploitation--to be assured they will be paid for their work, that their working conditions will meet state and federal safety standards and that they will receive no less than the federally mandated minimum wage (which needs to be raised).

Employers would be required to withhold some percentage (perhaps the equivalent of federal taxes and Social Security) from wages to help defray the costs of the program. Penalties for hiring foreign workers outside of the program would be high enough (and sufficiently enforced) to end the black market in labor that is thriving now.

Protecting all workers in this country is an important first step toward the amendment or abolition of NAFTA and the protection of workers throughout the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Okay, but what about the 10 million or so here right now?
Do we do another amnesty like Reagan did in 1987? That's what the McCain-Kennedy bill proposes, and I don't have a big problem with that.

There has to be some way to get those people on the books.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. They Apply For Visas And Guest Worker Permits Like Everyone Else
No one gets thrown out.

If you can get a Visa, you can get a permit, then you can get a job if one is available.

If you can't find work, then I guess you go home.

Maybe they are placed in the front of the line for entry Visa's.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. I agree with that
Edited on Sun Mar-26-06 08:08 PM by harpo
if there is no job...they will leave and go home most likely IMO. Some think they will stay and steal...you can only steal so long before you get caught.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
9. A food packaging co making MREs (!) got busted here in TX
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 07:46 PM
Response to Original message
11. yes, no insourcing
corporate welfare is claiming prejudice.
big agribusiness and even construction must love these marches.

they must see it as dividing Democrats and just :party:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC