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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:00 PM
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Outcry rises over Afghan Christian convert...
'KABUL (Reuters) - Growing international pressure on Afghanistan to respect the religious freedom of a Christian convert was met in Afghanistan on Friday by a clamor of calls for the man to be executed for denying Islam.

The controversy over 40-year-old Abdur Rahman, whose trial is due to begin next week, threatens to drive a wedge between Afghanistan and Western countries that are ensuring its security and bankrolling its development'
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-03-24T151939Z_01_ISL307059_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-AFGHAN.xml
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:02 PM
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1. We own them, don't we? I mean, we set them free, gave them
democracy, yadda yadda yadda. :sarcasm:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:12 PM
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5. umm, yeah, that sounds right...
:sarcasm:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:05 PM
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2. More discussion in LBN
Please click here.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:11 PM
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3. good to hear it, thanks...
:-)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:12 PM
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4. Our "freeing" the people of Afghanistan is a joke if their laws enslave
their citizens. They may bow to U.S. pressure in the case on this one guy, but their law will remain on the books.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:13 PM
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6. agreed...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:16 PM
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7. For All Its Proclaimed 'Christianity', Ma'am
If one simply looked to the facts of what has occured, the easiest conclusion to be drawn is that the present administration is in the business of using the U.S. military to establich Islamic theocracies around the world. A point to bring up with Christian Right types....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:09 PM
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12. "Christian Right types" have a terrible time dealing with reality. To
bring such a logical point up with them would hardly be worth the headache, IMO.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:17 PM
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8. this is a BIG issue- may fracture Religious Right support for *
The RW Christian wingnuts are flipping out about this... will not support fighting and dying in Afghanistan in a "War on Terra" that is 'anti-Christian'.

I am sorry for the poor man, but am enjoying the theatre.. Bush's nuts in the proverbial nutcracker.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:36 PM
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11. yup...
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:50 PM
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13. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like a lot of secular Dems
are sufficiently outraged over this.

Freedom of Religion cuts both ways.

When will Dems realize the importance of these sorts of issues?
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:54 PM
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14. I'm an ACLU guy, and I'm furious.
We have wasted American soldiers lives for this shit?
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:57 PM
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15. Amen... and Theocracy is "on the march" in Iraq
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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:20 PM
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9. Don't look to Justice Thomas for help
He thinks a state religion is okey-dokey.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:31 PM
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10. true, in fact perish the thought...
x(
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:18 PM
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16. Losing faith in Afghanistan
Losing faith in Afghanistan
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Even as the Bush administration steps up pressure on Afghanistan over the plight of a Christian convert, thousands of youths are descending on Kabul to demand that he be hanged for renouncing Islam.

US President George W Bush and other Western leaders have latched onto the case of Abdul Rahman, 41, who was arrested last month and accused of apostasy for converting to Christianity in 1990, saying that the issue was one of "honoring the universal principle of freedom".

For many Afghans, though, it is just another rallying point to step up pressure for a broader alliance against the presence of foreign forces in the country, while for the Bush administration and its allies it is an opportunity to rethink their position on Afghanistan.

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Bush said this week that US forces did not help liberate Afghanistan from Taliban rule so that conservative Islamic judges could issue death sentences against people because of their religious beliefs. He added that he was "deeply troubled" by the case, while Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice phoned Afghan President Hamid Karzai to call for a "favorable resolution to this case at the earliest possible moment".

The masses in Afghanistan are not listening, though.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC25Df02.html
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:30 PM
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17. thank you for your post...
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